Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Favorite Adversary

Brooklyn, NY

#552817 Jun 29, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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christianity is declining in all countries with a decent education system.
I think there is a growing storm for that belief system.
even islam is doing better than christianity.
How do you reach that conclusion? Christianity is expanding in parts of Africa and the Orient at a very quick pace. Like other beliefs, Christianity displays ebb and flow.

Are you basing your opinion on polls and surveys?

hick-up

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Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#552818 Jun 29, 2013
~snicker~

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Since: May 07

Dunedin, FL

#552819 Jun 29, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Here is what I read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_...
I am not sure how you think this targeted Christians. This rally started (according to how I understood it) as a publicity/political event and then changed to a charity event. I didn't see where it was promoted as a religious event.
"On November 21, 2009, at The Villages, Florida, Beck announced a rally to be held on August 28, 2010, in Washington, D.C., at the Lincoln Memorial. Beck originally intended the rally as political, and planned to promote his next book, The Plan, in which he would outline a century-long plan to "save the country". Over the 2009 Christmas holidays, however, Beck claimed the event would be "non-political", and focus on raising awareness and funds for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation charity, because soliciting tax-exempt funds to pay for the rally through the charity restricts political activity. The charity receives funds collected above the amount needed to pay for the rally. Beck named his planned rally "Restoring Honor," saying its theme was "about honoring character" as well as honoring the sacrifices of U.S. Armed Services personnel."
Biggest opponents seem to have been from some leaders of the black community...
"Various civil rights leaders of the black community criticized Beck leading up to the event, under the auspice that picking the anniversary of King's speech was a "deliberate way to distort King's message."
Through this entire article...unless I am just misreading...I got no indication that it was opposed because of it being "Christian". Nor did I get any indication that it was a "Christian" event.
Maybe I am just not understanding your view point and how Christians are being targeted.
Of course the people that stand against it are not going to do so saying its because of issues of faith but it is imo. True, most of the leaders in the black community stand quite strongly against this. At least one, Alveda King, has stood with the people that went to Washington that day and has paid quite a price for it. Like on my first date at a Messianic service where the son had been disowned by the rest of his family some things you just don't do if you want peace. Thankful this woman stands on the very words of Mlk so many years ago and nothing, no person, not even members of her own family keep her from standing for what is right. We will never agree on this because I see indications of it almost each day. Don't know if it happens in my lifetime but I bet the day comes when the government here, like other parts of the world will tell us what kind of religion is ok, what kind you will see no tolerance for.

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Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#552820 Jun 29, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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How do you reach that conclusion? Christianity is expanding in parts of Africa and the Orient at a very quick pace. Like other beliefs, Christianity displays ebb and flow.
Are you basing your opinion on polls and surveys?
Here is an excerpt from a study conducted by the Univ. of Toronto...

"A century ago, 80 per cent of the world's Christians lived in Europe and North America; today, nearly 70 per cent live in Africa, Asia, and Latin America, making Christianity a predominantly non-Western religion.

A critical mass of scholars who are looking into the implications of this shift has made the University of Toronto a leading centre for the study of global Christianity.

Christianity today has more than 2.2 billion adherents worldwide. The majority are overwhelmingly poor, displaced from rural villages into overcrowded cities in search of work, and adhere strictly to the word of Scripture, which can command their loyalty far more than state or society."

***

...the face of Christianity is changing...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552821 Jun 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:

Because God told them it was moral.
You have read the bible, right ?
Yes, I have. And studied it. And learned from it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552822 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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You never answered my question, your silence is answer enough.
Here, I'll ask you again to give you another chance:
Do you find that killing people for being disrespectful to their parents is moral?
I answered that already, Lacez. I said that I don't find it moral at all.

But morality isn't the debate here, even though you're desperately trying to change it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552823 Jun 29, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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You may need to re-read my post to understand what I *actually* wrote.
Don't worry.
Yours is a common failing among fundies.
"When you got something other than simple suspension of disbelieve and ignorance of your own scriptures, give me a shout."

I gotcha, atheist. I responded in kind.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552824 Jun 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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You have a time machine ?
do you keep in the secret vaults of the Vatican or in your basement ?
A time machine isn't required to do historical research, my man.

Get a grip.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552825 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Okay, so you're saying that even your god cannot define morality.
For it can't be moral one day and immoral the next.
Along with that, you are saying that had you been raised in that time, you would have your sons and/or daughters killed if they disrespected you?
Sorry, but that's not right, nor moral in any way.
I'm sure there are many here that would agree that no matter the time, it would be wrong to kill people just for being disrespectful.
You do realize that that also disobeys one of the ten commandments too, right?
There are no terms to that commandment, and so people are blatantly going against that "law."
That would be murder.
You're trying to define what is moral for all people of all time. You don't get to do that. You need to learn and understand that different people have their own feelings about what is - and is not - moral.

You don't understand.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552826 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Yet you agree with it.
You believe it was right to execute them at that time because it was legal.
Where did I say I agree with it?!

Where? When?

All I've ever been saying about this is that it was legal, therefore not murder.

You keep trying to change the goalposts to make this a morality issue when it's not.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552827 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Research?
The bible says to kill indiscriminate of any age.
Age of consent at the time does not matter in this discussion, because the bible does not refer to that age of consent, and therefore rules to kill children as well.
Show me in the bible where it makes a point of saying to kill the adults and not the children regarding the passage saying to kill those who disrespect their parents.
You might have a point then.
As a refresher for you:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

That sounds harsh to you and me, I know. But that was the law of the day, FOR THOSE PEOPLE, not for all.

It was the Capital punishment of the time and served the purpose of keeping the nation of Israel clean and free of criminal activities.

And by child it doesn't mean a literal child since the behavior mentioned is one of an adult child.

It DOES seem harsh especially considering that nowadays a simple spanking could mean the removal of a child from a home.

That was the government of the day and its Capital Punishment law.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552828 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Remember, if someone else kills your children, but you hand them over, it isn't murder!
Dude....

Debating with you is pointless. All you know is your way and refuse to see it any other way.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552829 Jun 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No he isn't. He's comparing your interpretation of ancient Hebrew laws to his own by showing us what the words actually say.
You wrote that "children could NOT be executed" and that it was wrong to assume that a son "means a minor." He disagreed and posted scripture that contradicted your position. How is that "comparing different laws from different cultures in different regions at different times"?
Is it so difficult to agree that your god would execute children?
We were discussing one set of verses from Deuteronomy and he brought up verses from three other books to "compare" them.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552830 Jun 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What information is available only on a Christian apologetics web site?
Christian apologists aren't bound to the same ethics of scholarship that secularists are. They don't even define truth the way we do.
So why would I accept anything at all found only on a Christian website?
I don't get information about Christian websites for the same reason that I didn't learn medicine from homeopathic web sites. Philosophy, methods, results, and reputation all matter.
HA HA HA !!!!

I said "atheist websites", dude. Not secular websites.

You think that a site like evilbible.com is based on fact and research?! If so, you're clueless.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552831 Jun 29, 2013
karl44 wrote:

have you had sex with a male?
I've asked you repeatedly to stop hitting on me.
Favorite Adversary

Brooklyn, NY

#552832 Jun 29, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Here is an excerpt from a study conducted by the Univ. of Toronto...
"A century ago, 80 per cent of the world's Christians lived in Europe and North America; today, nearly 70 per cent live in Africa, Asia, and Latin America, making Christianity a predominantly non-Western religion.
A critical mass of scholars who are looking into the implications of this shift has made the University of Toronto a leading centre for the study of global Christianity.
Christianity today has more than 2.2 billion adherents worldwide. The majority are overwhelmingly poor, displaced from rural villages into overcrowded cities in search of work, and adhere strictly to the word of Scripture, which can command their loyalty far more than state or society."
***
...the face of Christianity is changing...
Thank-you Annie J. Now I have a few questions for you.

1) You stated that this is an excerpt. Can you provide a link to the entire article for review?

2) What is the date of this publication, and how close to the completion of the study was it published?

3) Do we know the motivation (bias) of the authors?

4) Does the University of Toronto lean towards secularism and/or in opposition to theism in general and Christian theism specifically?

5) Does the study take into account those who keep their answers private and answer "none" when asked about their religious affiliation?(This is often confused with atheism because many Christians profess to be "non-denominational" or participate in "home churches". When they answer "none" on a survey or poll it may just be that they are Christian but do not claim any one denomination.)

Did you read the full article, and if so, what is your response to my questions?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#552833 Jun 29, 2013
Double Fine wrote:
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Morning, Catcher.
Any news on our favourite hillbilly, Buck?
I miss hearin' bout them fellers Fountain and Peebob.
It's very strange. Every month or so, Buck appears, posts once or twice, then poofs away.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#552834 Jun 29, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Of course the people that stand against it are not going to do so saying its because of issues of faith but it is imo. True, most of the leaders in the black community stand quite strongly against this. At least one, Alveda King, has stood with the people that went to Washington that day and has paid quite a price for it. Like on my first date at a Messianic service where the son had been disowned by the rest of his family some things you just don't do if you want peace. Thankful this woman stands on the very words of Mlk so many years ago and nothing, no person, not even members of her own family keep her from standing for what is right. We will never agree on this because I see indications of it almost each day. Don't know if it happens in my lifetime but I bet the day comes when the government here, like other parts of the world will tell us what kind of religion is ok, what kind you will see no tolerance for.
Chris...I read several more articles on this rally and I still can not find how the government targeted Christians. Can you explain to me how and why you think they did?

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Since: Jun 13

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#552835 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!!
I said "atheist websites", dude. Not secular websites.
You think that a site like evilbible.com is based on fact and research?! If so, you're clueless.
You can read the same stories just by grabbing a Bible from the Gideons. The only difference is the website author's opinion.
Favorite Adversary

Brooklyn, NY

#552836 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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HA HA HA !!!!
I said "atheist websites", dude. Not secular websites.
You think that a site like evilbible.com is based on fact and research?! If so, you're clueless.
His assertion that apologists don't perform their research with the same high degree of ethics found in secular settings is patently false. For if eternity and our continued existence after bodily death is on the line, wouldn't it be beneficial to seek the truth in a methodical and ethical manner?

The tendency among the vocal atheist community is to assert that our faith is blind, and then dismiss our apologetic resources as merely cleverly conceived answers to silence our critics. This would be counter-productive in every sense. Of course to maintain their atheism they must make the claim that our faith is blind as if this is a "one-size-fits-all" defense shield for their psychological well being. In other words, it's the "comfortable truth" they want to protect and not the absolute truth.

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