Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552264 Jun 27, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. as long as the animal consents, what's the problem ??..
You know what?

...

Damn you and your logic.

;)

I'll make my own sammich.

:o

WAIT! I take it back!

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#552265 Jun 27, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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IMEO, Mary Magdalene WAS 'the disciple that Jesus loved". Of course no Christian in 1700 would even consider that! The Pope said so !
That Gospel of Mary Magdalene you showed me seems to support that. She was his partner, maybe even wife.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#552266 Jun 27, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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That looks like a 'little' ok, ja ?
Take it easy...
… humour ja, sarcastic no... honesty in overdrive on the hard drive Bro!~~ smile ~~
… probly the memory stacking up a few bits.
I can't help it sis...they're gitt'n ta me. Y'know?
I only got so much hair ta pull out in silence!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552267 Jun 27, 2013
Mark wrote:
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The hackenkreuz is no Swastika, it is turned 45 degrees and goes the wrong way, most Swastika go the other way, otherwise it is considered bad luck.
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The Swastika is an old Sun symbol, used in cultures all over the world, also in Christianity. Jesus himself is surrounded with Sun-symbolism. It was not corrupted by the Nazi's, but by Christians that after the war started to call the hackenkreuz Swastika. This way they wanted to create the impression Nazism was not a Christian movement.
But Nazism was a movement created to counteract communism. Communism rejected religion and was perceived as a great threat to Christianity. That is why Catholics and Protestants brotherly worked together in the Nazi movement. Though it was led by a Catholic with a Catholic agenda, it was supported even more by Protestants. it was created to stop atheism. As Communist leaders were mostly Jews (Marx was a Jew too), they became the prime target.
After the war the churches wanted to distance themselves from the genocides by creating the idea that the Nazi's had somehow held the poor Christians hostage. Nonsense, without the active support of the churches Hitler's movement would never have even come from the ground. Where did all the organisation come from? Did it arise out of nothing? Dream on, it built on existing social structures. The church helped Hitler where ever it could, the Christian parties even withdraw from the elections to give Hitler a majority.
First Hitler helped defeat communism in Spain, by sending help to General Franco. Later he attacked the Communist in Russia. That is what the church wanted. If the Americans had not given the USSR massive help he might well have succeeded.
Well....

It seems someone here missed history class.

*points at Mark*

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#552268 Jun 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Immoral is a relative and subjective term.

Do you think the many people executed by guillotine in front of a public audience was also murder?
Yes, because it was immoral.

You just confirmed that when I call your god a murderer, he is, because I consider his acts immoral.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#552269 Jun 27, 2013
Le_le wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Lacez.

I do not think Skombolis deserves a reply from you, or anyone else.
He makes insults and lies about other posters, slandering and twisting words is what he does best.
Like I said, this is his Heaven,.sad really.

I am amazed at the amount of posters here who will call other "Christians" out on bad behavior yet,
Give this guy a free pass on being one of the biggest troublemakers on this thread.
So many hypocrites here.

I am just glad you do not let Skombolis bother you in anyway.
He is nothing more than a fool...a buffoon..

Wishing you a good day.
Yeah, I was thinking of ignoring his further posts again, and I will.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#552270 Jun 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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If sexual orientation is not a choice, it is clearly a denial of homosexuals' civil and equal protection rights to deprive them of the right to marry.
Your Supreme Court certainly agrees, I'm glad to see.

Now maybe a few of our politicians will wake up. I'm not holding my breath...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552271 Jun 27, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Yes, because it was immoral.
You just confirmed that when I call your god a murderer, he is, because I consider his acts immoral.
You mean He is......to you.

Because like I said, morality is a subjective and relative term.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#552272 Jun 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>No, I mean you idiots can't figure out that a legal execution cannot be defined as murder.
If it's immoral killing, it's murder, whether legal or not.
Once again, you cannot comprehend definitions.

Let's go back to how you think "stone to death" means to disown.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#552273 Jun 27, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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When my father was in Germany (28th Infantry Division AKA Bucket of Blood) during WWII, he said almost every house they were in had crosses, religious paintings and Bibles in them.
He said it angered him that he was told that all Germans were atheists.
You're opinion does not stand up to an eye-witness testimony.
That is interesting. The German WWII slogan was:'Gott mit uns'.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#552274 Jun 27, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Good call.
The Swastika is another thing the Nazis covered with shit so no one could use it again.
Actually, I have seen them on a couple of Indian shops. Which is their right, with their symbol.

Otherwise, it is universally hated.
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#552275 Jun 27, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. while I applaud your research, knowledge and articulation, for me, your conclusions still feel wrong ..
.. while Grace & Epi may be 'doing the work of the Lord,' they harm no one. Do you consider their dedication and faith evil ??..
.. again, calling them simple-minded only incurs animosity when we're trying to find common ground. Yes, ruthless believers like Dr. Shrink are buffoons but most everyone already knows that, even the Christians ..
.. throughout history, humans have always sought the divine. Nothing will ever change that. It seems you find your spiritual center in nature. That's awesome!..
We do not have to agree. I appreciate your viewpoint.

Most people are simple-minded, unable to make their own ethical deliberations, they prefer others to tell them what is right and wrong, a book, a pastor. If they follow good leaders they do good, if they follow wrong leaders, they get caught in evil.

They did a research after the war why such a civilized nation as Germany did such horrible things. How could the Germans cooperate in this? They asked people to participate in a learning experiment, two at the time. They flipped a coin and one would become a teacher and the other a student. The student had to answer questions posted by the teacher. The proposed goal was to find out how people reacted to stimuli.

To test that, the teacher would give the student an electrical shock if he answered wrongly. The shocks would become increasingly heavier. At some point the student started to cry out of pain. And at some point he would even call out he wanted to stop. At last he would start to cry ever louder and say his pacemaker was failing. At last he was crying and begging for mercy. The teacher would ask the experiment leader repeatedly what to do and he would say they had to go on for the experiment to succeed.

What the test subjects did not know was that the experiment was rigged and that the student was not a volunteer, but another researcher. The test subject was always the teacher. To their surprise they found that the majority of the people would go on doing terrible pain to another human being, even life threatening, as long as some one in authority took the responsibility from their shoulders and commanded them to continue.

They did that experiment in different countries. In my country were we have the most repressing form of protestantism, Calvinism, and people are taught to obey, 73% was prepared to go for the kill. The same experiment was repeated in the form of a quiz on TV with similar results. Christianity has been repressing individuality for two thousand years to create people that obey. Tell them it is for a good cause and they follow the ideological elite, because they are not taught to think for themselves. No they are taught that people who do not follow suit have no morals and in the clutches of the devil and must be saved.

And as these people are simple minded they believe these things. Why? Because they are brought up with these ideas and they follow authority. They behave like a well-trained sheep and are looking for a pat on the back by authoritative figures. The are not bad, but simple minded, but can easily be made to do evil things in the cause of "good", because they were never taught or given room to make ethical deliberations themselves.

As a group they help to bring deviant people into line, or attack them if the leader tells them too. They lack the personality to question the orders the leaders give them and they are too afraid they themselves will become targeted.

A minority of people do have individuality. In the experiment there were people that even hit the leaders in the face for suggesting to go on.

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The wise find the path hard to follow
The common man follows the path and loses it again
The evil laugh at the path

Lao Tze

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#552276 Jun 27, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
Perhaps it would be better if religion was like sex.

Performed in private with consenting adults.
Not gonna happen, they need to indoctrinate young.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552277 Jun 27, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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If it's immoral killing, it's murder, whether legal or not.
Once again, you cannot comprehend definitions.
Let's go back to how you think "stone to death" means to disown.
Look man, this is getting us nowhere.

You need to keep in mind what immoral means.

It means not conforming to accepted standards of morality.

YOUR version of acceptable standards is not the worlds version of acceptable standards NOR is it history's version.

I do not think stoning people to death is moral, either. I just know that to some people it is.

It's execution, not murder.

Since: Oct 12

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#552278 Jun 27, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Hitler never used the Swastika symbol that is a post war lie. the Nazi's never called it a swastika. They always referred to it as a "Hooked Cross" (Hackenkreuz)
This cross was well known to Hitler as it was on the walls of the church were he served as an altar boy. His hooked cross is not a Swastika, it is turned 45 degrees. Hitler who was an artist designed it himself from the letter N and S that stand for National Socialismus. It also very cleverly looks like a more stylized version of the symbol of Communism, the hammer and the sickle, who was the biggest competitor of National Socialism, the Christian counter movement.
The ideas of Aryan Race were not invented by the Nazi's but were widely believed all over Europe long before that. As Europeans were colonizing the whole world they were looking for a moral justification. They found that in the new Darwin Evolution theory that said that fittest survived.
For the Europeans this had to mean that they were the superior race, that was why they ruled the world. And that is why they had a superior culture and religion. But most of Europe was a bit lacking in grand old civilizations, like Egypt, Mesopotamia and India. So they went looking elsewhere. The Europeans theorizes that they were the Aryan race that had created civilization all over the world before they went to Europe.
By misinterpreting Indian writings they created the Aryan invasion theory, that said that Aryans invading India created the great Indian Culture. They had a special SS=division the Ahnenerbe (ancestor heritage ) who was to dig up evidence of their great past. They especially looked at the Bon People as possible ancestors. They were very pleased that the Bon also used kind of a Hackenkreuz, and interpreted that as proof of their kinship.
But Hitler's movement was a Christian movement, he called "Positive Christianity" (this already existed before Hitler). Hitler used the hooked cross, one of the many Christian crosses, as a symbol for his movement.
After the war Christians started to call the hooked cross Swastika to create the lie that Hitler and the Nazi's were not Christians. But Hitler and Nazi's would not have used that word. Germans are very proud on their culture and language and reject foreign words unless it is totally foreign. It was the Hooked Cross, a Cross is a Christian symbol. The Germans always fought for Got und Fatherland.
[I still think you are an undercover Christian]
I think there are a lot of post-war lies, I don't even know where to start.

I know, swastika is an Indian word. The deeper meaning of the word is different but it sounds like two separate words swas (breath) and tika (this is hard for me to explain).

I know my own religion and culture. The Arya race is the race mentioned in our ancient scriptures. WE call ourselves the arya race. Hitler and other white people stole the Arya race concept from India and they all pretended to be descended from that race. This is because the white race has always thought of itself as being superior, but Indian philosophy and evidence does not agree with this ideology. They have tried so hard to make the Indian gods white and they also came up with the Aryan race invasion theory. They have even made Jesus and other prophets white, it's shocking!

I don't think u understand what i'm trying to say. There is a dark part of our ancient Indian philosophy that has the same belief that Hitler did. These texts were written thousands of years before Hitler or Jesus. He might have told the world that it was a hooked cross and that he came up with it, but i really doubt it. Indians have been using the symbol and the same philosophy for thousands of years. Hitler's ideology was nothing new!!

lol, I'm not Christian and I never want to be. I love my religion/culture soooo much!

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#552279 Jun 27, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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<< blushing. Again. >>
.. we rarely interact. Have you ever asked yourself why? I have. Your thoughts ??..
I've never had to ask myself 'why', to why I do or don't do things HL. But an honest answer would be +- 3 fold.

... will stand back mostly if having posted to a few... which have no reply seen by me. Will re-post a link as it's possible to miss, as those with thousands more posts have taught me.
[ My first thread-discussion learning curb!]

... respect when it come to many things, and am learning in here... is agree to disagree. I don't have to think like that/this in real life. It simply is.

... many subjects I cannot - or will not - join in, as again I don't argue nor believe in personal attack/combat for what we believe in.

PW's don't try and start a war, they try to divert them!
So what's your thoughts ?


“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#552280 Jun 27, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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That Gospel of Mary Magdalene you showed me seems to support that. She was his partner, maybe even wife.
She was the financier.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552281 Jun 27, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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That is interesting. The German WWII slogan was:'Gott mit uns'.
No it wasn't. Here's some of their propaganda posters, they're all about Hitler or "we Germans are bad asses" stuff.

http://www.wwii-collectibles.com/Merchant2/me...

Gott Mit Uns was a traditional Prussian military motto. Hitler had it worn on the belt buckles of the Wehrmacht as political propaganda only.

More common though was Gottgläubiger, meaning "god creditors". Which is more common with today's agnostics.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#552282 Jun 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>True.

But even if it were a choice, the right to marry should not be denied.
Exactly, for is the right to a religion denied because it is a choice to be religious/which religion to choose?

“Ditat Deus”

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#552283 Jun 27, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
Perhaps it would be better if religion was like sex.

Performed in private with consenting adults.
Lacez wrote:

Not gonna happen, they need to indoctrinate young.
NAMBLA does that.....

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