Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#549485 Jun 22, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. by chance, do you like T-Shirts? If so, what do you think of this one ??..
http://ornatethinking.blogspot.com/2012/01/pa...
.. you're still a buffoon ..
LOL

Paranoid

Buffoon

See if you can come up with anything original from your group of trolls

I think not only you guys aren't embarrassed by it but you are actually proud of the fact you regurgitate the same stuff that each other says. You guys know it is the quickest way to get that validation you so desperately need online

They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. And what better way to butter each other up than to all talk and act the same way?

And Mark tries to say Christians don't have individuality!

You or (insert name) are the same. Replying to you is like replying to any number of people in your group

The best you had to offer was posting me a t-shirt about being paranoid and calling me a buffoon.

You are simply a troll who isn't clever enough to think for herself

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#549486 Jun 22, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>More lies. Let me know if/when you have anything. Btw just because I do stand on truth, I've never once in the time I've been posting on topix, since 2007 ever said homosexuals were abominations. Don't think my wife has ever said that either. I've said countless times about her past, yes. The childish retorts are once again your own.
You side with Lawlest, Trifectoid, and the other bigots when they attack homosexuality.
You have agreed with them when they called it an abomination.
And so yes you have said it, by agreeing with those people on that subject.
You would refuse people their rights, you haven't denied that.

You are not a Christian.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#549487 Jun 22, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Lacez

That never happened

What did happen is you tried to lie and say you weren't calling the virgin birth a sex act between God and mary

Not only you made reference to women not having right when it came to sex back then you replied to my claim that it wasn't a physical act by saying that was an apologist excuse. Only when it became obvious you could no longer lie and try to claim because you never technically said the word "physical" you didn't mean physical did you drop it

You were lying

Before then you tried to say I attacked you for being an atheist. I told you our first interaction was you accusing me of being a bigot and go back and check if you didn't think so.

You were wrong

Please tell me what words I put in your mouth.

I don't know if you are intentionally lying or just wrong as it seems it is normally one of the other with you

But I don't even need the posts. State your case

I am betting you won't answer
I said that your god supposedly impregnated a woman with itself.
Never did I say there was anything physical about it.
YOU are the one who said I said that, yet you never provided us with a quote to back up your claim.

And so, you put words into my mouth, and so you lied.

You can deny it all you want, but it's all on public record within the pages of this thread that you did lie, along with all the other lies you've come up with along the way.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#549488 Jun 22, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>.. do you mean his meltdown? If so, OH, ya. He hasn't been around since then. Perhaps the handsome young men in the white suits carted him away ??..
That was pretty hilarious.

Since: Mar 09

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#549489 Jun 22, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Before I got hurt I was running a route that had 90% 7-11's here. It is something to go in one at 3:00 a.m. Funny thing was you didn't say you went in for food and said you would get breakfast after. But hey, he has an agenda of hate to spread.
He isn't smart enough to take in all the information and then form his jokes accordingly. Not only like you said I wasn't going there to eat but should a guy in Mexico be making "breakfast burrito" jokes?

I actually almost reminded him but I know he is struggling to I give him a free pass on some stuff. He actually would be shocked to realize how many times i do that.

He talks to me about ending this. And it can. As soon as either he leaves or he stops bombarding people with his daily bigotry.

We know where he stands. There are not new posters in here. Everybody has heard it a million times. Enough already

Maybe he will get the message but I doubt it

(T) Peace

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#549490 Jun 22, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Of course they are.
"Worship me or I will torture you for all eternity"
That's blackmail.
That is a fallacy that already addressed.

The only way you can believe that is blackmail is if you believe it.

If I tell you that if you don't give me some money I going to shoot you. But you no believe that and just laugh at me and no give me any money, that not blackmail because you don't believe it.

You think hell is a myth right? you think God is a myth right? so how can you be blackmailed with something that you believe is a myth? not possible.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#549491 Jun 22, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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I remember
I didn't know all the details or your intent back then
Like you say, standing for something isn't the same as making it as issue
I would add standing for something does not always mean someone is attacking something else
I am normally very sensitive to anything that can even remotely look like bigotry. I see now the other side and how it is also wrong to demand people accept or be comfortable with something they are not either due to their faith or any other reason. So long as they agree love is to be shown to all people and they don't interfere with other people's lives, they have every right to their own opinions
Now when I see how Lacez uses his sexuality as a weapon against Christianity I see in some ways I demanded people be ok with things I had no right to demand. Personally the gay issue doesn't bother me. That's me. And that is all who I should worry about
When it comes to the faith in general I agree even more. It is the rarity anyone used to ever see me defending the faith. I generally got along with people outside of it or debated it or discussed it so I had no reason to. But when someone wants to turn it into an issue and seek out Christians and expect us to be doormats for their bigotry, well they picked the wrong group of people
Not that some in here are not very peaceful and they will turn the other cheek and show love and I say more power to them. But I think sometimes a few tables need to be flipped as well
That isn't to say everything done has been justified. But the overall opposition IMO is
(T) Peace
Yes indeed. In the same way I have respect for Penn Jillette even though we could not disagree more on issues of faith. In fact I dare say I have more respect for Jillette than some confessed Christians.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#549492 Jun 22, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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All that shows is that these people were not dead. They may have been clinically dead but clinically dead is not actually dead; there is a difference in that their minds were still functioning, albeit in a diminished capacity.
Mostly true. But scientifically speaking, you don't know their minds were functioning in a diminished capacity. In fact the findings show these occurrences the people was much [more]aware of what was going on around them outside of their body.

Scientifically speaking, you or scientists don't know that that awareness outside of their body dies. That is not known.

Religiously speaking, I believe that the awareness does not die. That is the soul and it never dies.

Since: Mar 09

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#549493 Jun 22, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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I said that your god supposedly impregnated a woman with itself.
Never did I say there was anything physical about it.
YOU are the one who said I said that, yet you never provided us with a quote to back up your claim.
And so, you put words into my mouth, and so you lied.
You can deny it all you want, but it's all on public record within the pages of this thread that you did lie, along with all the other lies you've come up with along the way.
Pay attention

It was clear a dozen different ways you were referring to it as a physical sex act

You confirmed that when comparing it to when women couldn't say no to (physical) sex back then and when you said my claim that it was NOT a physical act was an apologist excuse

There are no new ways to explain this to you because the truth doesn't change and that is what happened

You are lying

Just like when you clung to the lie you were not implying Lawest has sex with his mother but were simply asking for clarification despite asking and then answering your own question by the way of judging him as "gross" for doing it

You are not smart kid. And it is easy to remember the truth. If not for ethical reasons then for practical ones, you ought to give honesty a shot

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#549494 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The difference is that Christianity is America's civil religion.
If, one day, atheism becomes the civil 'religion', you may have a leg to stand on.
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Actually, I haven't given it much thought.
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I know, you want to change everything Christian in America, and not just removing "In God We Trust" from our currency and trying to get crosses removed and the Ten Commandments taken down in courts.
You want to end opening each session of Congress with prayer, end Christmas as a national holiday, eliminate the rank of military chaplain from our armed services, etc.
Where will it end?
There was me thinking that the USA was a secular country.

I guess the whole idea of equality for all doesn't count. Well, not when it comes to religion.

Since: May 09

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#549495 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Siiigh....
You guys and your atheist circle jerks.
I've never said that I think God is limitless, they are things even He can't do.
Then your deity is not omnipotent, "all powerful" etc...

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#549496 Jun 22, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Yes indeed. In the same way I have respect for Penn Jillette even though we could not disagree more on issues of faith. In fact I dare say I have more respect for Jillette than some confessed Christians.
Well, Morton Smith always said Jesus was a magician:

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Magician-Charlata...

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#549497 Jun 22, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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It would be better if you cut yourself free from the part of your belief system that makes you admire genocide, killing gays, adulterers, witches, non-believers, rebellious kids, etc.
In fact, why don't you tear out any pages from your bible that advocate killing?
That would be a big step forward.
But you premise wrong.

Any genocide in the bible is a result or wars. Nowhere in the bible YHWH say murder gays or adulterers or non believers or rebellious kids. Where in the bible it say that?

What would be better is if you stop fooling yourself that you actually can convince yourself that this whole existence is a accident. That kind of honesty to yourself would be a big step forward for you.

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater, FL

#549499 Jun 22, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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You side with Lawlest, Trifectoid, and the other bigots when they attack homosexuality.
You have agreed with them when they called it an abomination.
And so yes you have said it, by agreeing with those people on that subject.
You would refuse people their rights, you haven't denied that.
You are not a Christian.
First calling a person a bigot doesn't make it so. In fact this is so much a copout and overused that it becomes a joke, a word that has lost its true meaning. I don't read everything posted but can tell you that I do think the act is an abomination, not the person. The only reason I ever posted about my wife's past is to show some have found a new life. She is much much more vocal on this issue than I and would wipe the floor with you face to face. I also think you words mean little to nothing since you have said nothing about the civil rights of people that have been violated by this gov of late. That could be because you don't think this is the forum for it but I doubt that. More likely because you like Catcher really don't give a rip about many people in this nation and truth is its just a vehicle to spread your agenda.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#549500 Jun 22, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>That is a fallacy that already addressed.
The only way you can believe that is blackmail is if you believe it.
If I tell you that if you don't give me some money I going to shoot you. But you no believe that and just laugh at me and no give me any money, that not blackmail because you don't believe it.
You think hell is a myth right? you think God is a myth right? so how can you be blackmailed with something that you believe is a myth? not possible.
The point is I don't believe it, which is exactly why I'm not being blackmailed.

You and millions of others do believe, and you have been blackmailed because you're all frightened of what you believe the consequences of not believing are.

Contrast that with those religions that don't threaten non-believers with eternal agony for not believing and you'll see that Christianity is built on fear and blackmail.

Which, co-incidentally, is something you share with Islam.

Since: May 09

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#549502 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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OK....
So then before there was evidence of DNA, that was evidence that DNA was nonexistant?
You have a mental disconnect that astounds.











Please, everyone, get your children inoculated against confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#549503 Jun 22, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Mostly true. But scientifically speaking, you don't know their minds were functioning in a diminished capacity. In fact the findings show these occurrences the people was much [more]aware of what was going on around them outside of their body.
Scientifically speaking, you or scientists don't know that that awareness outside of their body dies. That is not known.
Religiously speaking, I believe that the awareness does not die. That is the soul and it never dies.
Well, the soul may never die, but now we know the English language can.

Cuz you just butchered the hell out of it.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#549505 Jun 22, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Mostly true. But scientifically speaking, you don't know their minds were functioning in a diminished capacity. In fact the findings show these occurrences the people was much [more]aware of what was going on around them outside of their body.
Scientifically speaking, you or scientists don't know that that awareness outside of their body dies. That is not known.
Religiously speaking, I believe that the awareness does not die. That is the soul and it never dies.
That's because these people were *only* clinically dead.

I think we need to start off by agreeing on the definition of "clinically dead"

Here's what Wikipedia has to say....

"Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain life.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.

Stopped blood circulation has historically proven irreversible in most cases. Prior to the invention of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), defibrillation, epinephrine injection, and other treatments in the 20th century, the absence of blood circulation (and vital functions related to blood circulation) was historically considered to be the official definition of death. With the advent of these strategies, cardiac arrest came to be called "clinical death" rather than simply "death" to reflect the possibility of post-arrest resuscitation; for medical purposes, it is considered to be the final physical state before permanent death."

So, according to that, "clinically dead" isn't "actually dead" and recovery is possible.

Now let's see what Wikipedia tells us about NDE's....

"A near-death experience (NDE) refers to a broad range of personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body; feelings of levitation; extreme fear; total serenity, security, or warmth; the experience of absolute dissolution; and the presence of a light.

These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or otherwise very close to death, hence the term near-death experience. Many NDE reports, however, originate from events that are not life-threatening. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.[1]

Many in the scientific community regard such experiences as hallucinatory,[2][3][4] while paranormal specialists and some mainstream scientists regard them to be evidence of an afterlife."

So, NDE's are "experiences associated with impending death". That's clinical as opposed to actual, death.

I'll admit that people's accounts of NDE's often appear in magazines and newspapers, yet that's just the way people in our society are:

Horoscopes, ghosts, vampires, zombies, crop circles, alien abductions, magic, healing crystals, mystic energies, NDE's, religion. There are no end of books on these. Go into any magazine store and you'll see shelves full of magazines on the occult, astrology, UFO's and other superstitions.

How many science magazines are they? Not many.

People eagerly lap up (often without evidence) any mumbo jumbo that's put in front of them. Yet those same people will often ignore the tangible realities that science brings us.

What do I think about NDE's? I don't think they're magical, I just think that the few that do occur are yet to be fully explained by science (they're working on it) and I think the answer is far more likely to be one that we can explain with science rather than with the Bible/Quran/Talmud/Gita/Avesta /etc.

Since: May 09

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#549506 Jun 22, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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OK....
So then before there was evidence of DNA, that was evidence that DNA was nonexistant?
What was DNA called before evidence of DNA was found?

<Scientist> "We're looking for the double helix stuff that we haven't found and we don't know what it is yet"

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#549510 Jun 22, 2013
Yeah I do believe it you're right. But I'm not being blackmailed because I'm not doing something against my will. I want to worship Jesus Christ. I love to read the bible, go to church, pray meditate fast do mission trips all of that. To be blackmailed you have to be doing something AGAINST your will. I'm a Christian, by free will and choice. So I'm not being blackmailed.
[QUOTE who="Khatru"]<quo ted text>
The point is I don't believe it, which is exactly why I'm not being blackmailed.
You and millions of others do believe, and you have been blackmailed because you're all frightened of what you believe the consequences of not believing are.
Contrast that with those religions that don't threaten non-believers with eternal agony for not believing and you'll see that Christianity is built on fear and blackmail.
Which, co-incidentally, is something you share with Islam.
Isn't freedom great. Choose whatever religion you like. How can you be threatened by what you think is a myth?

You keep saying Christianity threatens. You can't feel threatened by what you believe is a myth. Maybe some Christians are Christians because they believe God exist Yeshua is His Son and if they don't worship Yeshua, they going to hell.

Some would say that is a healthy fear. But if you think it all a myth, then you should not feel threatened or be afraid or feel blackmailed. So then be you--and leave everyone else alone to be them.

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