Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#549261 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
So what? A few hundred years ago, we hasn't observed DNA. Does that mean it didn't exist until science was able to locate it? No. That only means DNA was invisible to our ignorant eyes and minds.
If your god is like DNA, we actually have to find it first, like with DNA. That has not happened.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No sir, I have a very open mind.
I think if you think have everything figured out, as most atheists seem to claim, you will tend to be a lot more closed minded. For example, most atheists (at least the ones here) "know" so much about everything, their minds are closed to anything new, because they think they already know everything.
I follow a methodology specifically designed to be open.

You are describing your own state of mind, Derp.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549262 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

If you have the power to create a universe, in all space and time, in the most precise way, you also have the power to make it just slightly different. A universe created precisely is one where the creator is responsible for every single distinction.
Why?

If you make a watch, a conscious watch, that chooses to not follow your instructions are you at fault?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549263 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

You can't have an all powerful creator deity that isn't also all responsible.
That would be a violation of the law of non contradiction.
If that is the deity you propose, it is impossible.
No, actually.

You can't have an all powerful creator deity that is bound to anything.

You are violating logic by am dictating that something that is all powerful has rules and is limited.

“Ditat Deus”

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#549264 Jun 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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ROFLMAO
You really don't know jack shit about Christianity. Most Christians don't.
Ok, so.....

I'm just supposed to take your ejumacted word for it?!

Get off the damn floor.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#549265 Jun 21, 2013
Serah wrote:
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You should read the Bible again ~ it nowhere calls JESUS a bastard.... Marrying someone while pregnant does not make it adultery; "Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse."
You have given GOD an age ~ well done; how old is HE?
And they did get married young in those days ~ and obviously the average age for getting married has changed tremendously since the days of JESUS.....
You just took the Bible and twisted it to suit yourself and your own mood ~ maybe take off your blinkers and take another look?
Let us put a human in God's role.

A very old man gets a fourteen year old virgin pregnant just before she is married to another man.

The child is a bastard.
The girl and man committed adultery.
The man also committed statutory rape.
The man is a pedophile.

Soooooooo, Jesus is a bastard child. Mary is an adulteress and God is a pedophile rapist.

Since: Mar 10

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#549266 Jun 21, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>?? oy!LOL., shut you trap about Jesus Christ and write something about your belief system writer.
Going to end tonight on this note:

If this poster is what is accepted by the believers here
on wsjlm..
----------and those who question the faith are
considered their enemies..

Then..WSJLM..
you are sicker than I thought..
:(

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549267 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
A contradiction:
To be responsible for creating a universe, necessarily creating it in a very specific way, but then not being responsible for the very specific way in which it was created.
The god is either responsible for creating the universe, or not responsible for creating the universe.
Which is it?
You're applying limitations on something you describe as an all powerful creator.

Why would something all powerful be limited?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#549268 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why?
If you make a watch, a conscious watch, that chooses to not follow your instructions are you at fault?
Yes.

You suck as a watchmaker.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549269 Jun 21, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Yes, Tide.
If you look over my list, you will see fruit salad on it. They label it "fruit cocktail." BTW, I also found Kerns fruit nectar, yum. I'm going to open a can right now. Mango.
God, it's good.
Thank God you didn't a thallus have fruit salad in your cupboard.

Heaven forbid you get a tummy ache.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#549270 Jun 21, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Yes, Tide.
If you look over my list, you will see fruit salad on it. They label it "fruit cocktail." BTW, I also found Kerns fruit nectar, yum. I'm going to open a can right now. Mango.
God, it's good.
Read a double read….are you saying RR is Tide? Perhaps I missed a stutter….?

“Ditat Deus”

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#549271 Jun 21, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
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Where does it matter where one looks? Honestly?
Honestly, it doesn't.

But it appears that he's only looking for food.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549272 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

If your god is like DNA, we actually have to find it first, like with DNA. That has not happened.
So you think that DNA didn't exist until we found it?!

O_o

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#549273 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Wait.
If you believe that God did WHAT, has WHAT ability and WHAT character?!
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What real logic dictates that there is no God?
If you believe that God holds humans responsible for their actions, and created the universe, and that God is just, then God does not exist.

These are three components of a typical God claim. They represent the assumptions in the conditional proof.

All that is required is an understanding of what these components mean. The three cannot exist together. The first two components contradict justice.

Go.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#549274 Jun 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ok, so.....
I'm just supposed to take your ejumacted word for it?!
Get off the damn floor.
So, explain how your belief in Jesus and God are so vastly different from the RCC.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549275 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

I follow a methodology specifically designed to be open.
You are describing your own state of mind, Derp.
There is no rational methodology, practices or procedures that will logically conclude there is no God.

Just because you haven't detected Him does not mean He doesn't exist.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#549276 Jun 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Let us put a human in God's role.
A very old man gets a fourteen year old virgin pregnant just before she is married to another man.
The child is a bastard.
The girl and man committed adultery.
The man also committed statutory rape.
The man is a pedophile.
Soooooooo, Jesus is a bastard child. Mary is an adulteress and God is a pedophile rapist.
You understand that this is offensive on “Ohhhhhh….so many levels”….yes??

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549278 Jun 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Let us put a human in God's role.
A very old man gets a fourteen year old virgin pregnant just before she is married to another man.
The child is a bastard.
The girl and man committed adultery.
The man also committed statutory rape.
The man is a pedophile.
Soooooooo, Jesus is a bastard child. Mary is an adulteress and God is a pedophile rapist.
...and you're an ignorant idiot.

Only YOU have 'made' God into an old man. Answer her question; since somehow you know God is old, how old is He?

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#549279 Jun 21, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
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Look out for the cat….just sayin….they have a tendency to jump out at cha ;O)
I have no cats.

I have a dog. A medically expensive dog.

I have a wonderful 13-year-old, mix of golden retriever and rott.

He used to be a ball of fire.

Now he can't hear a thing and is content to sleep and eat.

He still gets two walks a day: use it or lose it.

And he gets glucosamine and chondroitin daily.

And he's hanging in there and happy.

And I'm really going to miss him when he's gone.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#549280 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm not part of the myth, RR. We are not talking about reality. There is no Hell. If it was real, I would not choose to go there. If your myth was real, I would not want to go to Heaven or Hell. They both sound like torture to me.
In the myth, God makes the rules and the people. If he wanted all people to go to Heaven, he would let them go to Heaven. He wants people to go to Hell. It is not possible for a being to have the power to get what he wants, but not get it. Everything that happens will be according to what he wants.
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God doesn't do anything.
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I'm not blaming God. God doesn't exist.
A creator deity is responsible for absolutely everything, or doesn't have the power to be responsible for everything. There's no middle ground.
If you have the power to create a universe, in all space and time, in the most precise way, you also have the power to make it just slightly different. A universe created precisely is one where the creator is responsible for every single distinction.
<quoted text>
You can't have an all powerful creator deity that isn't also all responsible.
That would be a violation of the law of non contradiction.
If that is the deity you propose, it is impossible.
Excellent polemics, Tide.

Unassailable.

RR is an excellent foil.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#549281 Jun 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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If you believe that God holds humans responsible for their actions, and created the universe, and that God is just, then God does not exist.
These are three components of a typical God claim. They represent the assumptions in the conditional proof.
All that is required is an understanding of what these components mean. The three cannot exist together. The first two components contradict justice.
Go.
Yes, God holds humans responsible for their actions because he didn't make us mindless robots. He gave us the power of choice.

Your premise is incredibly flawed.

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