Why Should Jesus Love Me?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#548721 Jun 20, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

Not all atheists claim that deities don't exist.
Impossible. Atheism is clearly defined as not believing in the existence of a god or gods (deities).

How could a supposed atheist believe in a god?
Atheism is the null state. Atheism requires no faith or trust.
"I'm talking about all of you atheists here."
No, you are not, because not all of the atheists here make that claim.
The only reason for you to use the word faith, in this instance, instead of trust, the more appropriate word, is to equivocate.
If someone wants to make an argument that deities don't exist, they'll use whatever words they feel are best to relate their thoughts. Muddying the waters by using the same word to describe two distinct but similar concepts isn't something a considerate person would do.
This particular example of equivocation is so ubiquitous that I will hold up every conversation I'm in where it occurs to point it out.
If trust and faith are not exactly the same thing, then they are different. If they are different, each one will be better suited in different instances. If at any time someone refuses to use the most appropriate word, the one that best fits, there must be a compelling reason for that.
If you don't understand why I don't like being associated with the word faith, I'd be glad to explain that too.
This rant just shows more that you atheists don't like the word "faith".

Too bad.
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#548722 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ya, well the a actual Nazi oath was:
"I swear by God this sacred oath that to the Leader of the German empire and people, Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces, I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared to give my life for this oath."
Of which thousands of officers had a problem with for two reasons.
1. Not all of them believed in God.
2. They didn't want to swear to Hitler, they wanted to swear to their nation. Because swearing an oath to a person isn't common.
Atheists were barred from the SS. You give me one example of an atheist in the SS. Yes there maybe hidden atheists among pastors too, but that is no disproof.

The 50 questions and Answers were the catechism of the SS, All SS had to learn it by heart. It was totally based in Christianity.

If you are really interested in truth: read here: Schutzstaffel: SS Officers Inspired By Teutonic Knights. http://jettandjahn.com/2013/03/schutzstaffel-...

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#548723 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Actually, Hitler executed over 11 million people. Jews, Catholics, gays, blacks, etc. Anything that wasn't his idea of a perfect human, he had executed.
I guess that's what happens when a smart guy turns his back on God, gets to power and goes nuts.
So you agree that power and greed are the primary reasons for genocide and mass murder; not belief in deities or no belief in deities. Is that correct?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#548724 Jun 20, 2013
wilderide wrote:

Pity God stood by and allowed it all to happen. And in his name too.
Why would God intervene? If He got in the middle of that, what else would you think that He should?
Unless God orders you to commit atrocities, of course.
Like what?

Since: Jan 11

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#548725 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I have you the two examples already.
Those were unsupported assertions.

I'm asking for an explanation.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
How? It proves that atheism CAN drive people to do things, as my examples showed you.
No, you just asserted that the behavior was motivated by atheism. You didn't do a damn thing to support that assertion.

That's because it's not possible.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Just because atheism doesn't motivate you doesn't mean it doesn't motivate anybody...
That's not why it doesn't motivate anyone. It doesn't motivate anyone because there is no source for motivation. There is absolutely no direction inherent in atheism, except for away from god beliefs.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No I'm not.
I'm nit talking about you specifically, I'm talking about atheists in general.
Talk to the atheists that fight to get religious icons removed and tell them how much atheism doesn't motivate them.
You talk to "them". I don't know who the fck you're talking about, but they'd probably agree with me, not you.

I want religious icons removed from government property because it's embarrassing to me as an American, and because we are supposed to have a religiously neutral government. My sense of ethics and fairness dictates that I don't want the government endorsing any religion. There are theists who feel the same way.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Maybe YOU don't, and I applaud you for that, but others do.

Agreed. But there's a difference between an atheist that just doesn't believe and an atheist that wants everyone to not believe with him.
If there's a difference between atheists, then you can't say that atheism provides any direction. The direction must always come from somewhere else. Atheism cannot be subjectively interpreted 38,000 different ways. As long as we are only talking about one definition of atheism, it's the same for everyone that definition applies to.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I don't know what you're getting at here.
I don't remember what you're responding to here.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#548726 Jun 20, 2013
??? eh? TMI--too much information there <cough> oy!
[QUOTE who="_-Alice-_"]< quoted text>
Wow, you know a lot about me. What colour panties am I wearing?
Guess what? I know how planets, people and animals are made. Why don't you?
Well by all means tell us writer. And we will see if it stands up under scientific scrutiny.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#548727 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
So say you.
Atheists have a hard time understanding faith in other other way than religious faith.
Not at all. I have faith that I'll still be alive tomorrow based on the evidence that has been provided to me by my brief history. It may or may not be true. Either way, I don't believe a deity plays a part in that.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#548728 Jun 20, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have Personal Messages disabled?
Your little envelope is missing.
I wanted to send you links to pictures of my junk.
Going to the scrap yard soon to sell it.
I enabled it again :)

You're not the only one who wanted me to see their junk.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#548729 Jun 20, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You are a terrible lawyer. At least my "buffoonery" doesn't hurt anyone.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
That is only because you have no responsibility or authority. When you choose to serve as somebody's teacher, attorney, physician or in some other capacity as an advocate, you have the opportunity to make lives better or worse. If you are a stock boy, parking lot attendant, or a night watchman, you are pretty harmless. Catcher found his place in the world, and you found yours.
Skombolis wrote:
My posts on the Internet don't mess up people's lives.
Nothing you do affects any life, unless you choose to return to violent crime. That is what is meant by saying that you have no responsibility or authority. You are irrelevant.
Skombolis wrote:
Not all jobs have such a direct impact on the quality of someone's life.
And some have virtually none, like your unskilled, entry level night job. Catcher makes a difference. You don't. It doesn't even matter if you show up to work or not except to your boss, and even there, it matters only in terms of a few bucks - the amount that your labor generates in excess of share of it that he pays you.
Skombolis wrote:
It doesn't make them less important jobs although the jobs that do carry with them more responsibility in that area.
Of course it does. What do you think important means?

Catcher's job is important. People's live are significantly affected by how he performs at it. He can only be replaced by somebody with his decades of education, training, and experience.

By contrast, your work has very little value. I'll bet that you could be replaced by a teenaged drop out that could start tonight without training.

Do you see the difference yet?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#548730 Jun 20, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Well I am going to run up to 7-11 and then and stop to get some breakfast
Better you than me.

What's on the menu today - a delicious microwaved frozen breakfast burrito and a thirsty-two ouncer?

Don't forget to submit a job application and pick up a few lottery tickets while you're there.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#548731 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would God intervene? If He got in the middle of that, what else would you think that He should?
God intervened in plenty of other circumstances, according to the Bible. God also took away the free will that God supposedly grants everyone too; in one particularly abhorrent example, for the purpose of needless infanticide.

Why should God intervene? To demonstrate benevolence.

Since: Jan 11

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#548732 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Impossible. Atheism is clearly defined as not believing in the existence of a god or gods (deities).
Let me know if you understand this.

Lacking a belief in deities is not the same as believing that deities don't exist.

From your earlier post:

"Every time it's mentioned that y'all have faith in your belief that deities don't exist..."

Not all atheists believe that deities don't exist. Some just lack a belief in deities. It's not necessary to even consider the existence of gods.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
This rant just shows more that you atheists don't like the word "faith".
Too bad.
It's faith that I don't like, not really the word. The word is just carrying the baggage.

Faith is a mistake. I don't want my good thinking confused with that kind of poor thinking.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#548733 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Like what?
One example would be 1 Samuel. Read chapter 15. It's pretty awful.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#548734 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm talking about all of you atheists here. Every time it's mentioned that y'all have faith in your belief that deities don't exist, you all freak out and desperately try to change the word 'faith' to something else. Like Alice changed it to 'reason'
I changed no words. I used both of them in my post. I'm not trying to change your belief. I'm trying to show you the difference in what you say (Atheists believe there is no God) and what I say (I do not believe in God).

It's not even a subtle difference.

Belief vs. No belief

It's fairly simple.

Since: May 09

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#548735 Jun 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm talking about all of you atheists here. Every time it's mentioned that y'all have faith in your belief that deities don't exist, you all freak out and desperately try to change the word 'faith' to something else. Like Alice changed it to 'reason'
This probably why, and its due to the way theists and "supernaturalists" use and think of the term.

Noun: faith
1. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
2. Complete confidence in a person or plan etc
3. An institution to express belief in a divine power
4. Loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person

WordWeb Pro 6.6

When theists and "supernaturalists" use and think of the term, it's the 1st and 3rd definitions being referred to when, "faith", is mentioned.

But, this has been explained to you many times.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#548736 Jun 20, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you know a lot about me. What colour panties am I wearing?
I was kinda hoping you weren't wearing any ;)

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#548738 Jun 20, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:

So you agree that power and greed are the primary reasons for genocide and mass murder; not belief in deities or no belief in deities. Is that correct?
Yes, that is correct.

The argument of Hitler being a Christian or not is totally irrelevant.

If he was a Christian, he did not represent Christianity very well.

In turn, if he was an atheist, he did it represent atheism very well.

He was a murdering madman-genius that knew how to woo a crowd

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#548739 Jun 20, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

That's not why it doesn't motivate anyone. It doesn't motivate anyone because there is no source for motivation.
Bullschmidtt, man. C'mon, get real.

The motivation for those atheists (not you, them) is the harming of religion and removal of religious icons.

If you disagree, then why would atheists spend money to put up signs on buses that say "There's probably no god"?!

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#548740 Jun 20, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
??? eh? TMI--too much information there <cough> oy! <quoted text>Well by all means tell us writer. And we will see if it stands up under scientific scrutiny.
I'm sorry. Are you under the impression that I'm here to teach you Biology or Astronomy?

Like you said. I no here to care what you no believe or not, writer.

Or something like that.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#548741 Jun 20, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
<quoted text>What colour panties am I wearing?
.. that's a trick question, right? You're trying to fool Trifecta, huh? You don't own any panties. That's why I adore about you ..

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