Since: Mar 09

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#542440 Jun 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you don't CLAIM to be a victim.
You just act like one.
And hey, I thought I was your stalker. I'm hurt that you're directing your paranoia elsewhere.
You're not just a victim, you're fickle.
LOL

The ol paranoia card yet AGAIN. I would have thought even bad lawyers would have more clubs in their bag. Are you sure you weren't talking metaphorically when you were talking golf?

1) Call someone weird
2) Call someone paranoid
3) Change the subject
4) Be a total hypocrite

You sure don't have a lot of moves do you?

You are just paranoid because of the tornadoes. You are weird like that. And you shouldn't name-call stupid

Hey, I got all four in!

~snicker

Since: Mar 09

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#542443 Jun 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already posted the verses, Skom.
You've read them and commented on them back when as well.
I'm not going to repeat myself to you every time you get a fit of something resembling Alzheimer's.
Man everything goes over your head

Obviously I meant ADDITIONAL verses since like you said, I read and commented on the ones you posted. I showed how that didn't condone slavery. You responded by saying it is well established that throughout the Bible it condones slavery. I said if so then post the verses. So your new claim was based on the same verses you already used?

You didn't go to law-school with Catcher did you

Actually I take that back. He never would have even posted the original verses. He would have just said "dude"

Oh man, sorry Cather, how could i forget your go-to tactic! Please include that in the list!

Since: Jul 09

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#542446 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Karl
How would you know. Your wrinkly old ass isn't giving it to anyone. You are married right? Please tell me the reference is not about your wife because even for you that would be pretty bad
And you realize your post is ripping on gay men right?
I have a feeling when you show up to the pharmacy to get your Viagra they just laugh at you and tell you its gonna take a lot more than a pill to help you out! Go yell at the sky old man, conversations about sex are over your head and you are just gonna look worse than you normally do..if that is possible
you write like a christian

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#542447 Jun 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
This thread pushes me to learn more, to enter into more intellectual discussions with my friends.
For if I do not, I fear falling into the deaths of stupidity like some here.
You mean the DEPTHS of stupidity not the deaths of stupidity right? LOL there is some irony for ya.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542448 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
No I get it. I said the Bible (meaning the Christian Bible obviously) doesn't condone slavery. In an effort to disprove that statement you quoted from the Vayikra in the Jewish Orthodox Bible.
You didn't mention the bible in response to anything I had said concerning that initial post.
You asked for:
Skombolis wrote:
Where in the Bible does it condone slavery?
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

I answered that here, http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... but, above, you claim you said that in response to what I replied with.

Lets look(from above, in this current post, the one we're in now, as in >this one<).

Skombolis wrote: "I said the Bible (meaning the Christian Bible obviously) doesn't condone slavery. In an effort to disprove that statement you quoted from the Vayikra in the Jewish Orthodox Bible""

That's an outright fabrication and not the case at all.

You weren't trying to disprove anything. >That< was >the< original statement I >responded< to.

That's as black&white as it gets.

Why are you forcing me to point this out?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#542449 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
The ol paranoia card yet AGAIN. I would have thought even bad lawyers would have more clubs in their bag. Are you sure you weren't talking metaphorically when you were talking golf?
1) Call someone weird
2) Call someone paranoid
3) Change the subject
4) Be a total hypocrite
You sure don't have a lot of moves do you?
You are just paranoid because of the tornadoes. You are weird like that. And you shouldn't name-call stupid
Hey, I got all four in!
~snicker
What?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#542450 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Man everything goes over your head
Obviously I meant ADDITIONAL verses since like you said, I read and commented on the ones you posted. I showed how that didn't condone slavery. You responded by saying it is well established that throughout the Bible it condones slavery. I said if so then post the verses. So your new claim was based on the same verses you already used?
You didn't go to law-school with Catcher did you
Actually I take that back. He never would have even posted the original verses. He would have just said "dude"
Oh man, sorry Cather, how could i forget your go-to tactic! Please include that in the list!
It's Catcher, not Cather, dude.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542451 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
I don't know what else there is to say about that
Say nothing. Please.
Skombolis wrote:
If you have verses you want to discuss from the Christian Bible then please post those verses.
I've posted those verses, and to be clear, you asked for instances where the bible condoned slavery.

I supplied them. They are contained in both the Christian bible and the Judaic Torah, incorporated, as you said, in the Christian bible)

But, we can beat this horse to death. I'll supply something from another area of the bible, in which Moses is following the commands of the deity, specifically from the deity.

25) Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,26)ďYou and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the fathersí households of the congregation take a count of the booty that was captured, both of man and of animal;27) and divide the booty between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation.28)ďLevy a tax for the LORD from the men of war who went out to battle, one in five hundred of the persons and of the cattle and of the donkeys and of the sheep;29) take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest, as an offering to the LORD.30)ďFrom the sons of Israelís half, you shall take one drawn out of every fifty of the persons, of the cattle, of the donkeys and of the sheep, from all the animals, and give them to the Levites who keep charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.Ē

^^The deity commands^^. Continuing.

31) Moses and Eleazar the priest did just as the LORD had commanded Moses. 32) Now the booty that remained from the spoil which the men of war had plundered was 675,000 sheep,
33) and 72,000 cattle,
34) and 61,000 donkeys,
35) and of human beings, of the women who had not known man intimately, all the persons were 32,000.
36) The half, the portion of those who went out to war, was as follows: the number of sheep was 337,500,
37) and the LORDíS levy of the sheep was 675;
38) and the cattle were 36,000, from which the LORDíS levy was 72;
39) and the donkeys were 30,500, from which the LORDíS levy was 61;
40) and the human beings were 16,000, from whom the LORDíS levy was 32 persons.

Above, they did as commanded, and below, complete the commands in full.

41) Moses gave the levy which was the LORDíS offering to Eleazar the priest, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. Numbers 31:25-41(NAS)
All verses taken from BibleWorks 9.0, not Google. It's a handy software to have. I used the NAS translation, but there are around 100+ to choose from.

A screenshot, just so you won't squall about it.
http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...

Anyway.... All of the captives were slaves, however...

Moses gave the 'Lords" portion(32 persons), as directed by the deity, to Eleazar(the priest).

What do you suppose those people were used for?

Slaves.

"The main source of non-Hebrew slaves were prisoners of war."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slav...

(I used "the Google" to supply that link above)

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542452 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I see no reason to prove a negative
Like I keep saying, please post the exact verses from the Christian Bible that condone slavery
Not some round-about attempt to make some Vayikra midrash connection to Mosaic Law and apparently claim that makes them synonymous.
It is a pretty simple request. If there are verses in the Christian Bible that condone slavery, let me know which verses so I can see for myself
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#542453 Jun 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
.. what's wrong with you ??..

.. no comprende English ??..

Since: Mar 09

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#542454 Jun 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't mention the bible in response to anything I had said concerning that initial post.
You asked for:
Skombolis wrote:
Where in the Bible does it condone slavery?
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
I answered that here, http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... but, above, you claim you said that in response to what I replied with.
Lets look(from above, in this current post, the one we're in now, as in >this one<).
Skombolis wrote: "I said the Bible (meaning the Christian Bible obviously) doesn't condone slavery. In an effort to disprove that statement you quoted from the Vayikra in the Jewish Orthodox Bible""
That's an outright fabrication and not the case at all.
You weren't trying to disprove anything. >That< was >the< original statement I >responded< to.
That's as black&white as it gets.
Why are you forcing me to point this out?
wow...really? I wasn't saying I was trying to disprove something. I was saying you used verses from the Jewish orthodox bible to try to disprove my claim that the Bible doesn't condone slavery. How you got that I was talking about me disproving something and not you from those sentences I will never know not care to really. Either post the verses or I'm done with this exchange. And by post the verses I mean the actual words then source them

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542456 Jun 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
I can give one Rabbinical opion that makes the most sense to me.
YHWH gave rules as need to move mankind (Jews as the guinea pigs) from a state of barabarism to civilization. Further, the experiment isn't finished. Mankind will eventually become enlightened and not need be told by God how to live but will reach its full potential to be god-like/one with god. At that point mankind will live in harmony with nature and each other.
In other words, the "commandments" are always changing.
<quoted text>
I've heard that viewpoint from Judaic sources, and from non religious, or secular sources as well.

Here's one that is somewhat similar.

"Monotheism is a primitive religion, which centers human consciousness on Hive Authority. There is One God and His Name is (substitute Hive-Label). If there is only One God then there is no choice, no option, no selection of reality. There is only Submission or Heresy. The word Islam means "submission." The basic posture of Christianity is kneeling.

Thy will be done. Monotheism therefore does no harm to hive-oriented terrestrials who eagerly seek to lay-off responsibility on some Big Boss. Monotheism does profound mischief to those who are evolving to post-hive stages of reality. Advanced mutants do make the discovery that "All is One," as the realization dawns that "My Brain creates all the realities that I experience.

The First Commandment of all monotheisms is: I am the Lord, thy God: Thou shalt have no other Gods before me. All monotheisms are vengeful, aggressive, expansionist, intolerant. It is the duty of a monotheist to destroy any competitive heresy. Concepts such as devil, hell, guilt, eternal damnation, sin, evil are fabrications by the hive to insure loyalty to Hive Central.

All these doctrines are precisely designed to intimidate and crush Individualism.

Most of the freak-outs, bad trips and hellish experiences are caused by Monotheistic Morality. Again, it must be emphasized, that Monotheism is a necessary stage. Monotheism is a technology, a tool, to bring pre-civilized tribespeople and caste-segregated primitives into the collectives necessary to develop the post-hive, post-terrestrial technologies." - taken from - The Intelligence Agents by Dr. Timothy Leary, Ph.D.

Timothy Leary used some "spacy" language and concepts that, for some, are a little too radical, but the underlying concept resonates.

I would suggest that we are most likely nearing the end of that "hive" stage of monotheism, and theism in general, at least in its institutionalized forms.

People all over the world are finally, and for some, painfully, understanding that their monotheistic, polytheistic et al, deity truly is just one among many. Once they fully understand that, they'll drop them like Santa.

If that could happen, we might really do some tremendous things.

This is just a side thought, but if we are at that transition point, where mankind leaves the gods and trying to figure out why they don't understand them, behind, and then begins to understand the odds that lay ahead of us and overcome those. I'm glad I may be of the generation of atheists that may see that happen. You know the ones who throughout history - that have wondered if it was ever going to happen - would be envious to be here, but would be cool just knowing its happening.

For everyone.

No exclusions.

(none of the above indicates people must or should give up personal deity beliefs)

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542458 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
You clearly won't post the verses for a reason
Like the Deuteronomy verses are about freeing servants in what would be basically indentured servitude, not condoning slavery
I can't be any more clear than post the actual verses if you have them
I even went so far as to include telling you post the actual words
You refuse to do it.
This is how you post a verse
Deuteronomy 15:12
If any of your people--Hebrew men or women--sell themselves to you and serve you six years, in the seventh year you must let them go free.
Are you really going to pretend this entire time you didn't understand what I meant when I said post the verses and when I said include the words and then give the book and verse?
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
STEPHEN

Westford, MA

#542459 Jun 1, 2013
you all everyday argue about the same thing. how pointless and a waste of life.

Since: Mar 09

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#542460 Jun 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's Catcher, not Cather, dude.
huh? It really makes little difference dude! You are useless regardless of the name! You are just paranoid that some people think cucumbers taste better pickled. The defense rests!(Catcher's client is convicted in 15 minutes as Catcher is still tipping his cap and taking bows) LOL, hey you never did explain to me what you would have done different to keep that guys changed testimony from entering the record since credibility is an issue for the jury. You got nothing right? Lemme guess your legal maneuvers are too valuable to give away for free over the Internet! Dude that would be lame if you said that!

Since: Mar 09

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#542462 Jun 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Say nothing. Please.
<quoted text>
I've posted those verses, and to be clear, you asked for instances where the bible condoned slavery.
I supplied them. They are contained in both the Christian bible and the Judaic Torah, incorporated, as you said, in the Christian bible)
But, we can beat this horse to death. I'll supply something from another area of the bible, in which Moses is following the commands of the deity, specifically from the deity.
25) Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,26)ďYou and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the fathersí households of the congregation take a count of the booty that was captured, both of man and of animal;27) and divide the booty between the warriors who went out to battle and all the congregation.28)ďLevy a tax for the LORD from the men of war who went out to battle, one in five hundred of the persons and of the cattle and of the donkeys and of the sheep;29) take it from their half and give it to Eleazar the priest, as an offering to the LORD.30)ďFrom the sons of Israelís half, you shall take one drawn out of every fifty of the persons, of the cattle, of the donkeys and of the sheep, from all the animals, and give them to the Levites who keep charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.Ē
^^The deity commands^^. Continuing.
31) Moses and Eleazar the priest did just as the LORD had commanded Moses. 32) Now the booty that remained from the spoil which the men of war had plundered was 675,000 sheep,
33) and 72,000 cattle,
34) and 61,000 donkeys,
35) and of human beings, of the women who had not known man intimately, all the persons were 32,000.
36) The half, the portion of those who went out to war, was as follows: the number of sheep was 337,500,
37) and the LORDíS levy of the sheep was 675;
38) and the cattle were 36,000, from which the LORDíS levy was 72;
39) and the donkeys were 30,500, from which the LORDíS levy was 61;
40) and the human beings were 16,000, from whom the LORDíS levy was 32 persons.
Above, they did as commanded, and below, complete the commands in full.
41) Moses gave the levy which was the LORDíS offering to Eleazar the priest, just as the LORD had commanded Moses. Numbers 31:25-41(NAS)
All verses taken from BibleWorks 9.0, not Google. It's a handy software to have. I used the NAS translation, but there are around 100+ to choose from.
A screenshot, just so you won't squall about it.
http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...
Anyway.... All of the captives were slaves, however...
Moses gave the 'Lords" portion(32 persons), as directed by the deity, to Eleazar(the priest).
What do you suppose those people were used for?
Slaves.
"The main source of non-Hebrew slaves were prisoners of war."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_slav...
(I used "the Google" to supply that link above)
My Goodness do you take a lot if words to say nothing. And you could have just posted the relevant verses and still didn't source them properly but close enough. Now they were to take prisoners if war. That is very different than slavery. And you are simply guessing what they were used for on top of it. I think I have spent enough time on this. You clearly didn't use any if the verses in that first article as like I said it didn't prove slavery was condoned. So now you are starting from scratch and trying to find anything that might imply slavery. I already said I am not interested in your presumptions and to show me where it actually states it. You have had ample time to try to do so

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#542463 Jun 1, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
you write like a christian
You write like an ignorant bigot. Although you can't seem to decide who you hate more; Christians or gays. Why not explain to everyone again how someone takes it up the rear like a woman? Even your fellow Christian bigots are gonna shun you over that. How bad must you be?! There is useless and then there is useless. Then there is Karl. The world will be a better place when you aren't on it

Since: Oct 10

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#542464 Jun 1, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. until the early 1980s, the problem of pedophilia was rarely addressed. The movie SYBIL changed all that ..
.. I'm only about 25% through the book MORTAL SINS but one thing jumped out at me, something AIN regularly points out. Because the RCC believes in forgiveness and atonement, offending priests were allowed to continue their work with children and, of course, targeted a new child ..
.. wash, rinse, dry, over and over. Forgiveness is great but at what point does an individual become accountable for their behavior ??..
Hello HL. Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this.
It has nothing to do with forgiveness. Covering it up by anyone, especialy leaders, in my oppinion, is as bad if not worse then the crime.
I know for many, it is not even about the children. If it were you wouldn't here just about the RCC. It is an opportunity to attack someone who uses the term christian to describe themself. What makes it wrong is not that it is covered up by a RC. What makes it wrong is that instead protecting the children, the offended, people protect the offender. And in doing so, make themselves equal criminals. And equaly deserving of being in jail. To protect the children. Just some of my thoughts on the matter.
Malone

Bellevue, WA

#542466 Jun 1, 2013
Why should Jesus love me? That is the million dollar question. I am just glad He loves me just the way I am despite the things I do.

Since: Oct 10

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#542467 Jun 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Pray? Seriously? Let me help out by contemplating my navel.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omp...
LOL If you honestly believe that would help, then I would say that you should do that. To not, would be sinning against yourself :)
Yes, pray, seriously. For those who believe that praying helps, it is the right thing to do. For those who don't believe prayer helps, it would be a waste of time :)

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