“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542423 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I see no reason to prove a negative
Like I keep saying, please post the exact verses from the Christian Bible that condone slavery
Not some round-about attempt to make some Vayikra midrash connection to Mosaic Law and apparently claim that makes them synonymous.
It is a pretty simple request. If there are verses in the Christian Bible that condone slavery, let me know which verses so I can see for myself
Holy crap. Is the OT part of the Christian bible? Lemme answer that for you. Yes, it is.

Let me Google something for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bib...
http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-orthodox-catholic...
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php...

Are these books in the Christian bible? Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Yes they are.

From the original post you're confused about.
scaritual wrote:
Biblical verse that relate directly to the Midrash exegesis. Genesis 17:13, Genesis 17:27, Exodus 20:10, Exodus 21:1-4, Exodus 21:7, Exodus 21:8, Exodus 21:16, Exodus 21:20-21, Exodus 21:26-27, Leviticus 19:20-22, Leviticus 25:39, Leviticus 25:44-46, Leviticus 25:48-53, Numbers 31:28-47, Deuteronomy 15:12-18, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Deuteronomy 20:14, Deuteronomy 23:15-16, 2 Samuel 9:10
The NT didn't abolish slavery or change anything stated in the OT, it only stated that all people, slave, Gentile etc., were open to following the NT/OT - religion. Mark 14:66, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Colossians 3:11,1 Timothy 6:1-2
There are likely more verses in the OT/NT that speak of slavery in the sense that it was natural, and condoned by the deity. Something that was a part of daily life. Genesis would be a good example of this, since it's said to have been communicated to the Moses! by the Yahweh!, for instance.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Did you miss that?

Okay, do you understand that Midrash does not change anything in context or meaning found in the bible, it doesn't supersede or alter a thing.

Show one place where I said Midrash was followed by Christians or changed the meaning of the bible at all, for that matter.

You're confused, in that you think I said something I didn't.

You've gone off on some tangent, as if you thought I said you are required to follow Midrash. I didn't. That wasn't the intent, implied or otherwise.

I supplied it to illustrate what Judaic thought was concerning the biblical passages, which does not change the meaning of the biblical verses at all, they are still a part of the Christian bible.

Can I be any more clear?

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#542424 Jun 1, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>Here's one 4 U:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QnlzyBf-hygXX
I'll look at it later, I'm on my phone right now and the video isn't supported on mobile.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#542425 Jun 1, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
<quoted text>I like this one and not just because that banana fits his mouth and hand perfectly :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YfucpGCm5hYXX
And there you have it, using myths to try and explain something because he has no idea what the truth is.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#542426 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>So no verses huh?

What it does is recognize a practice of the times without condoning or condemning it

When Jesus says if someone strikes you to turn the other cheek, He never specifically addresses the morality of the striking. Is your argument that Jesus condones going around and punching people?

Is would have to be right? Because the Bible tells a slave to turn their unjust suffering over to the Lord. That is basically saying turn the other cheek. And you have concluded that must mean the Bible is condoning slavery

I see you are talking as "us" now too!

Its an insecurity thing right?

I wouldn't know, I have always been my own man
I've already posted the verses, Skom.
You've read them and commented on them back when as well.
I'm not going to repeat myself to you every time you get a fit of something resembling Alzheimer's.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#542427 Jun 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you again, my friend.

Isn't this fun? And educational. And wholesome.

Why else would so many kind, well read, clever, and contemplative people keep coming back for more week after week?
This thread pushes me to learn more, to enter into more intellectual discussions with my friends.
For if I do not, I fear falling into the deaths of stupidity like some here.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#542428 Jun 1, 2013
I can give one Rabbinical opion that makes the most sense to me.

YHWH gave rules as need to move mankind (Jews as the guinea pigs) from a state of barabarism to civilization. Further, the experiment isn't finished. Mankind will eventually become enlightened and not need be told by God how to live but will reach its full potential to be god-like/one with god. At that point mankind will live in harmony with nature and each other.

In other words, the "commandments" are always changing.
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, it is(exegesis/opinion, as all exegesis, is), nevertheless, it appears that in the case of slavery in the bible, it mirrors, and confirms that slavery was indeed condoned, by the deity(the Genesis/Moses example)...orrr
It's just man made spin, in both the bible and Midrash, and not deity inspired.
Which in my opinion is what 100% of the bible represents. Man made "deity stuff". I mean, if slavery was something man placed in the bible, then, insert "non deity type principle"___ <= there, and another "non deity type principle" here=>___ then how much of it is man made?
Just 1%?...15%...30%...88.75%? Where does the blur begin and end?
Here's the thing, for discussion purposes, lets say the bible is 77% deity inspired.
What 77%?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#542429 Jun 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
This thread pushes me to learn more, to enter into more intellectual discussions with my friends.
For if I do not, I fear falling into the deaths of stupidity like some here.
Amen!

<smile>

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

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#542430 Jun 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
This thread pushes me to learn more, to enter into more intellectual discussions with my friends.
For if I do not, I fear falling into the deaths of stupidity like some here.
You don't have to fear "falling into the deaths of stupidity" (as you put it) because you're already there.

Since: Jun 12

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#542431 Jun 1, 2013
I dunno. Why should he?

Since: Jun 12

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#542432 Jun 1, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't have to fear "falling into the deaths of stupidity" (as you put it) because you're already there.
Whoa, getting mean and nasty on a Jesus board!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#542433 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I have never claimed to be a victim
But I love when I reduce someone to hiding behinf aproxy and stalking
How badly did i embarrass your other identity?
I saw your posts yesterday but wanted to let you pick up some steam!
LOL
Oh stalker my stalker
Carpe diem
:)
Of course you don't CLAIM to be a victim.

You just act like one.

And hey, I thought I was your stalker. I'm hurt that you're directing your paranoia elsewhere.

You're not just a victim, you're fickle.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#542436 Jun 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy crap. Is the OT part of the Christian bible? Lemme answer that for you. Yes, it is.
Let me Google something for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bib...
http://www.bible.ca/b-canon-orthodox-catholic...
http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php...
Are these books in the Christian bible? Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. Yes they are.
From the original post you're confused about.
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Did you miss that?
Okay, do you understand that Midrash does not change anything in context or meaning found in the bible, it doesn't supersede or alter a thing.
Show one place where I said Midrash wDeuteronomy 15:12-18as followed by Christians or changed the meaning of the bible at all, for that matter.
You're confused, in that you think I said something I didn't.
You've gone off on some tangent, as if you thought I said you are required to follow Midrash. I didn't. That wasn't the intent, implied or otherwise.
I supplied it to illustrate what Judaic thought was concerning the biblical passages, which does not change the meaning of the biblical verses at all, they are still a part of the Christian bible.
Can I be any more clear?
You clearly won't post the verses for a reason

Like the Deuteronomy verses are about freeing servants in what would be basically indentured servitude, not condoning slavery

I can't be any more clear than post the actual verses if you have them

I even went so far as to include telling you post the actual words

You refuse to do it.

This is how you post a verse

Deuteronomy 15:12
If any of your people--Hebrew men or women--sell themselves to you and serve you six years, in the seventh year you must let them go free.

Are you really going to pretend this entire time you didn't understand what I meant when I said post the verses and when I said include the words and then give the book and verse?

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#542438 Jun 1, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>You don't have to fear "falling into the deaths of stupidity" (as you put it) because you're already there.
Technically you are right, for I am surrounded by people like you on this thread.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#542439 Jun 1, 2013
Chaumette wrote:
<quoted text>Whoa, getting mean and nasty on a Jesus board!
Yup, that's the "Christian" way!

Since: Mar 09

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#542440 Jun 1, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you don't CLAIM to be a victim.
You just act like one.
And hey, I thought I was your stalker. I'm hurt that you're directing your paranoia elsewhere.
You're not just a victim, you're fickle.
LOL

The ol paranoia card yet AGAIN. I would have thought even bad lawyers would have more clubs in their bag. Are you sure you weren't talking metaphorically when you were talking golf?

1) Call someone weird
2) Call someone paranoid
3) Change the subject
4) Be a total hypocrite

You sure don't have a lot of moves do you?

You are just paranoid because of the tornadoes. You are weird like that. And you shouldn't name-call stupid

Hey, I got all four in!

~snicker

Since: Mar 09

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#542443 Jun 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already posted the verses, Skom.
You've read them and commented on them back when as well.
I'm not going to repeat myself to you every time you get a fit of something resembling Alzheimer's.
Man everything goes over your head

Obviously I meant ADDITIONAL verses since like you said, I read and commented on the ones you posted. I showed how that didn't condone slavery. You responded by saying it is well established that throughout the Bible it condones slavery. I said if so then post the verses. So your new claim was based on the same verses you already used?

You didn't go to law-school with Catcher did you

Actually I take that back. He never would have even posted the original verses. He would have just said "dude"

Oh man, sorry Cather, how could i forget your go-to tactic! Please include that in the list!

Since: Jul 09

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#542446 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Karl
How would you know. Your wrinkly old ass isn't giving it to anyone. You are married right? Please tell me the reference is not about your wife because even for you that would be pretty bad
And you realize your post is ripping on gay men right?
I have a feeling when you show up to the pharmacy to get your Viagra they just laugh at you and tell you its gonna take a lot more than a pill to help you out! Go yell at the sky old man, conversations about sex are over your head and you are just gonna look worse than you normally do..if that is possible
you write like a christian

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#542447 Jun 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
This thread pushes me to learn more, to enter into more intellectual discussions with my friends.
For if I do not, I fear falling into the deaths of stupidity like some here.
You mean the DEPTHS of stupidity not the deaths of stupidity right? LOL there is some irony for ya.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#542448 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
No I get it. I said the Bible (meaning the Christian Bible obviously) doesn't condone slavery. In an effort to disprove that statement you quoted from the Vayikra in the Jewish Orthodox Bible.
You didn't mention the bible in response to anything I had said concerning that initial post.
You asked for:
Skombolis wrote:
Where in the Bible does it condone slavery?
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

I answered that here, http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... but, above, you claim you said that in response to what I replied with.

Lets look(from above, in this current post, the one we're in now, as in >this one<).

Skombolis wrote: "I said the Bible (meaning the Christian Bible obviously) doesn't condone slavery. In an effort to disprove that statement you quoted from the Vayikra in the Jewish Orthodox Bible""

That's an outright fabrication and not the case at all.

You weren't trying to disprove anything. >That< was >the< original statement I >responded< to.

That's as black&white as it gets.

Why are you forcing me to point this out?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#542449 Jun 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
The ol paranoia card yet AGAIN. I would have thought even bad lawyers would have more clubs in their bag. Are you sure you weren't talking metaphorically when you were talking golf?
1) Call someone weird
2) Call someone paranoid
3) Change the subject
4) Be a total hypocrite
You sure don't have a lot of moves do you?
You are just paranoid because of the tornadoes. You are weird like that. And you shouldn't name-call stupid
Hey, I got all four in!
~snicker
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