Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#542076 May 31, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Hinduism a very old "religion", probably the oldest, in which male and female still have equal places.
Actually it is not a religion. Westerners think it is a religion because they can not conceive that thousands of very different cults could live harmoniously, if Protestants and Catholics can not even go through the same door without murdering each other ferociously.
Hinduism does not exist, it is a name given by the English to the complex, incredibly divers practices, rituals, philosophies they saw. But since there was no religious fight they concluded this was the most chaotic and confusing religion they ever saw. A mess.
Hinduism is the religious freedom we also had in the Roman empire before Christianity. But Hinduism is based on an entirely different culture than western culture. Hinduism is based on the idea that religious freedom and diversity is based on social conformity.
This may sound paradoxical, but you can only have religious freedom without fights if you demand respect from all concerned for each others beliefs, practices, preferences.
In the West it is the opposite. Look at us, look how we are fighting, trying to destroy each others ideas, and in the process antagonise each other. We still live by the Monotheist principle: there can only be one truth. And as everyone believes this happens to be his own truth, we fight to let our truth be victorious, and take it as an attack on our person if someone attacks our ideas. And we see it as a condition for religious freedom that we can do this.
Hindus will never attack each others ideas, but neither do they accept that others will impose their ideas on them. This strict social code of respect is what makes it work. It offers great individual freedom and social stability.
Our civilisation is technically very advanced but socially we still have a long path to go. The west is all about competition. Since Christianity lost her absolute power we now have a system in which ideologies fight each other, in our political system we call this party democracy, and we can not conceive their could be a better system since man is egoistic and will always fight. Western man that is. Because this still is warrior cult in which fractions fight over power.
India is more a matriotic society than a patriotic society. They still revere the mother Goddess. A patriotic society want its men to fight for it (and its father god), a matriotic society takes care of its citizens like the mother goddess.(Kennedy: Do not aks what your country can do for you but what you can do for you country).
Such a society is more loving and creates wealth in another way. India was for more than a thousands years the richest country on Earth, and it did it without exploitation of others. this ended with the British rule. The Europeans relied like all warrior people on the exploitation of other peoples. This is not necessary, it is only in the mind of us westerners that survival depends on dog eats dog. That if we will not do it to them, they will do it to us. Dog eat dog. That is why we will always need the most and biggest weapons.
I can't say much specific on Hinduism as it is diverse. They have a simple principle in common: The Divine is all and in all. So everything in Narute and every being deserves respect. In our culture God is outside of nature, and we people first have to gain respect. And we have little respect for people with different ideas or habits or preferences.
In Hinduism you have 12 or so different kind of marriage contracts. You can marry each other pure for lust if you like. It that is what you two want to agree on, that is your business. They respect peoples nature whatever it is, as long as the conform socially and do not impose it on others. Diversity is the key.
From reading this it is clear that you know nothing about India or Hinduism. This is so full of untruths.
Rosa Winkel

Australia

#542077 May 31, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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How are gay men who don't transmit STDs a public health hazard?
Aren't straight people who do transmit STDs a public health hazard then?
Yes! Some men have been charged with crimes for just that.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#542078 May 31, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Jesus rebuked people.
It looks like people are getting pretty turned off by all of that. Have you noticed that they don't seem to care as much as they once did?
Skombolis wrote:
it won't have any positive effect on bigots dead set against the faith
I agree. You should keep up the rebuking, especially of skeptics, gays and science. You need to tell people how wicked humanists are, and how loving you people are.

And remind them of hell, too.

_-Alice-_

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#542079 May 31, 2013
Adam wrote:
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(Mark 2:17)
And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Jesus was a flaming homosexual.

Unless you can prove he wasn't, then he was.

Why do you follow the teachings of a known homosexual?

*Christian logic*

_-Alice-_

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#542080 May 31, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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We have to get these guys up to date on definitions.
Everything we observe, in any way, is natural.
Unnatural and supernatural are just placeholders for everything that does not exist or manifest in nature.
Misnomers abound in this thread.
Are you still hiking?
I'm taking a couple days off. My foot hurts and I'm in no hurry.

Since: Oct 10

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#542081 May 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No evidence or argument could ever talk you out of your religious belief. Yes, we know. That's the definition of a closed mind, which you wear like a medal.You're proud of that. Christians admire that in one another.
Rational skeptics have the opposite opinion about it.
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Your god sounds pretty needy.
You almost have it right. No incomplete evidence or argument could ever take me from the hands of God, or could they talk me out of what I have experienced and know. So incomplete evidence and argument could also not talk me out of what I believe in Yashua to the Glory of Yahweh.
Again more incomplete information. Some rational thinking skeptics have the opposite view. And some rational thinking skeptics agree.
IANS you can do better than this.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542082 May 31, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Nou fijn voor jou, toch?
Wat spreek jij? Zuid Afrikaans?
Ja ... zowel voor ... een beetje

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#542083 May 31, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
There was an advertisement once for coffee, with a guy looking everywhere in the fridge for the bottle... but could not find it... until he heard a voice call out...“It's on top!” That's a bit like my priorities - top listed with the Plan in operation - and knowing that where it began in the beginning with my Father.
“Our Father who art in heaven...”
….
If we all had a similar mindset, I could see humanity heading in a better direction, or at least many of us on an individual basis. We began somewhere, someplace at some point in time, and we at least in this existence will end. However, we can choose how we exit as a collective species or even as individuals. We are way too prideful, believing everything should be handed to us on fine china with tooth-picks and paper napkins. We fuss and fight over trivial stuff, and when you look at our history, many of the wars we have fought could have been easily avoided or negotiated. When you look at us as a whole, whenever the earth has a population boom and countries fall into financial chaos, war follows quickly and death and its vengeance along with it. Millions die and the biggest price paid are by people who have nothing to do with it or don't even know what the fight was all about. Many of the people in here are well educated, and some hold multiple degrees, but many portray themselves as educated fools. Repetitive, spiteful, and ugly in nature. They come here just as many who have been here already, and have hardened their hearts not to regard others and convince themselves that their cause is righteous or that people on the other side of the fence should not be tolerated. We don't have to agree with all the things that we do and who we choose to be in order to tolerate each other. beneath it all, the caveman gene still surfaces, time and time again, and we show ourselves to be nothing more than uncivilized, unloving savages.
Well said, I wished we could all take a similar approach.
Peace_Warrior wrote:
“Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven...”
So that 'the lion and the lamb to lie down together '…
… wars will no longer exist, and the ploughs in reality beaten into ploughshares... not just a figure of speech.
Indeed. Swords will be fashioned into plowshares and words of venom and malice into ones of peace, diplomacy, brotherhood and unity. We have been divided for so long and have been fighting for so long, that we do not know how to coexist peacefully, and we don't know when to stop fighting.
Peace_Warrior wrote:
For me turning the other cheek is history - tho I don't know how I have a jaw left - growing up with dolphins at sea in front of the boat taught me to keep going, be happy, and at peace with the world around me, yet even such beautiful creatures are used by man where there is danger in uncharted territory as the seas. And in the oceans of Space and Time there is but One who knows the way... a Father who has never let me down... and God of all there is.
Abundant Love returned CS in everlasting Shalom.
Counter_ Balance
This is why people who don't believe in the Creator don't understand. We cannot show them our experiences, we can only share them. When they lean on man and man alone, it is easy to be let down, hurt and suffer loss. Man will always disappoint even despite their best intentions, but we love nonetheless, because it is what we do and who we are. For without love, the foundations of the world already so shaken would collapse in on itself. If one does not seek Him and seek Him without the cynicism and skepticism then they will never find Him. Faith is as much a doorway as it is a key, love is the path, peace is lock and salvation is what is on the other side of the door. This can only be achieved if we can manage to smile, even when things are at its ugliest.

Shalom and much love, health and prosperity my friend PW.

....and I, Counter_Stike asks everyone here: QUO VADIS

“Quo Vadis”

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#542084 May 31, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Insults, insults, and more insults.
It's incredible that you find me so boring, yet you continue to respond and have no defense when I rebuke your claims.
Ahhh Lacez, Lacez, Lacez, woe is you, right? Still playing the martyr card? You, the most persecuted of all that has suffered in Topix kingdom.

I'm not sure you would know an insult if it hit you in the face dear chap. All I'm asking you to do is lay down your persecution complex for a few days, not because I want to be friends, but for the sake of reasoning. Nothing else, but it seems you can't manage it.

All your wasted yelling and hollering and complaining, where is it going to get you? What are you trying to prove? Who are you trying to convince? What is your point old chap? If you would see how awfully pointless this obsession of yours with pointing out bad guys dressed as wolves and play red riding hood is, then you would see that no one is chasing you. there is no hunting party and no grandma's house.

Now, I can't convince you of anything, but obviously there is much fear in you, and where there is fear, there is pain, and where there is pain, there is darkness and suffering. You are no tower nor are you an island fortress lad. All I'm asking you to do is to use your brain for something useful.

You have no idea how boring this place is fast becoming, with the exception of a few posters. What do you fear? If you fear nothing, then you would have no problems with my simple request.

Right?

CS.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542086 May 31, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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I'm taking a couple days off. My foot hurts and I'm in no hurry.
Hey Alice!
Sorry bout your foot, but hey!

Lyrics:

When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.

Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.

When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.

Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.

Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk.
You'll never walk alone.

Since: Oct 10

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#542087 May 31, 2013
Pray for the people in this tornado's path. This is bad. I am feeling like this is the worst in my lifetime. Many deaths I feel. Pray people, Pray
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#542088 May 31, 2013
wilderide wrote:
I can't agree that Christianity was not intended to succeed Judaism. That's the whole reason the Hebrew Bible was included in the Christian Bible. Jesus was supposed to be the Jewish savior (never mind that Jesus didn't fulfill the Hebrew prophesies of who the messiah was supposed to be/what he was supposed to do).
I don't know why you attack Christianity yet give Judaism a pass. Judaism is alot more warlike than Christianity, at least ideologically. Christianity in practice has been more warlike simply because the Jews were dispersed into a diaspora; they had no more opportunity to ethnically cleanse their neighbors. So I'd say that all of the Abrahamic religions are potentially dangerous to a civil society and are morally outdated.
The good part is you do not have to agree with me. We can see things differently and both be right from another perspective.

I do not give Judaism a free pass. Free pass for what?

Explain to me why you think Jews are warlike? They are aggressive in another sense, but their culture is matriarchal rather than patriarchal. They are not all warriors.

We also have to take into consideration that Christianity did her utmost best to extinguish the Jews, this will also have had an effect. Christianity and Judaism, that is 2 billion and 14 million? You want to make it believe that Christianity succeeded Judaism because Christianity has that pretence? So what, Islam is made to succeed Christianity. Those claims are simply done to convert people.

The Story does not even make sense, how can Jesus free all people of the world by breaking the covenant the Jews made with their God? It is hilarious. The Christians do not even seem to understand what this covenant of the Jews with their God is.

They created a story from a Christian viewpoint. Remember everything you think to know is mostly Christian viewpoint on things, even your viewpoint on the Jews. Christians controlled thinking and writing for more than thousand years. We see everything through Christian glasses even if we kid ourselves we don't because we are no longer believers.

Why would the great Roman empire want to make a new chapter to the ideas of a small cult, that had little political influence? What were they so obsessed about?

You seem to accept the Christian lie that Christianity is Judaism 2.0.
I do not. Christianity is a patchwork of cults in which Jewish and Gnostic writings play a mayor role also for the simple reason they were the only cults that had writings. For a new ideology you need writings.

Today people take it for granted that Jesus was a Jew. It was protestants like Albert Schweitzer that started to formulate the idea that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, now everybody thinks this was always believed by christians. This is not the case.

That is because today we think that Israelites and Jews are the same thing. But to earlier Christians Jesus was an Israelite, not a Jew. His line goes back to David, before Salomon to prove he was a pure Israelite, not a Jew.

Jesus comes to restore the religion of the Israelites that was perverted by the Jews. The Jews that did not honour Gods commandments but Talmudic commandment. The evil Talmud they brought from Babylon. Or as Jesus puts it, these Jews are Childeren of the Devil!

No Jesus came to RESTORE Judaism 1.0. Like Mohamed claims that Islam is even more pure and is restoring Abrahamism 1.0. The new testament was written to prove the evilness of the Jews, not to upgrade their religion.

Why would they? The Greek philosophers and the myths of their poets were far superior to anything ever written in the bible. It was done for political reasons. A new state ideology was created to end instability from dangerous religious cults. If you are ruling a slave society with lots of unhappy people you can not afford them to be converted to dangerous cults that make them rebellious.

Will you explain why you believe Christianity succeeded Judaism?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542089 May 31, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Shalom and much love, health and prosperity my friend PW.
....and I, Counter_Stike asks everyone here: QUO VADIS
Just blowing thru and I see you CS... but need time to to get back to you with this epistle! Thank you for sharing and taking the time... until later. 10 am Sat here now.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#542090 May 31, 2013
Adam wrote:
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You've been very inappropriate. I am not gonna discuss something which is disgusting and untrue. Shame on you
He was a homosexual with a foot fetish. He really enjoyed washing the feet of the men in his harem.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Can you show me a scripture where teh Jesus denies being homosexual?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542091 May 31, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
Pray for the people in this tornado's path. This is bad. I am feeling like this is the worst in my lifetime. Many deaths I feel. Pray people, Pray
WITH you always... mmmmmmmmmmmm much pain IS felt B/man!
Joe dugooder

Spencer, MA

#542092 May 31, 2013
The redemptive work of Jesus is complete. Be great full!

Www.newdrivewaypaving.com

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#542093 May 31, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Hey Alice!
Sorry bout your foot, but hey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7du-RHGrJrAXX
Lyrics:
When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.
When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk.
You'll never walk alone.
Hey PW !!

Thanks. The last time I took a long walk, I had two real legs. This is taking some trial and error. I've only fallen about 30 times so far. Stupid mountains :)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#542094 May 31, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>So why are gay men so irresponsible that the federal government says their sexual activities are the biggest threat to passing a scourge of a disease called AIDS?
Why is the incidence of AIDS in the catholic clergy 4 times higher than the national average?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542095 May 31, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
Pray for the people in this tornado's path. This is bad. I am feeling like this is the worst in my lifetime. Many deaths I feel. Pray people, Pray
http://rt.com/usa/dangerous-tornado-friday-ok...
One photo looks like a great hand...
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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WITH you always... mmmmmmmmmmmm much pain IS felt B/man!
For anyone!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#542096 May 31, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Maybe it is because you have never provided any proof whatsoever that a perfectly working and self-sustaining universe created itself through a fortuitous turn of events that would defy mathematical probabilities.
Universes are simpler than immortal, omnipotent, omniscient gods. Any such argument against a universe existing without a designer is stronger against a god existing uncreated.

All that needs to be the case is that all possible universes form from an amorphous, unconscious multiverse, and this universe becomes a sure thing - perhaps just one of an infinite number just like it, each with self-conscious life. That would explain reality without invoking magic or the astronomically long odds necessary for a god to exist.

There is no need for a god to explain reality, and no way to explain a god.

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