Why Should Jesus Love Me?

_-Alice-_

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#542080 May 31, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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We have to get these guys up to date on definitions.
Everything we observe, in any way, is natural.
Unnatural and supernatural are just placeholders for everything that does not exist or manifest in nature.
Misnomers abound in this thread.
Are you still hiking?
I'm taking a couple days off. My foot hurts and I'm in no hurry.

Since: Oct 10

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#542081 May 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No evidence or argument could ever talk you out of your religious belief. Yes, we know. That's the definition of a closed mind, which you wear like a medal.You're proud of that. Christians admire that in one another.
Rational skeptics have the opposite opinion about it.
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Your god sounds pretty needy.
You almost have it right. No incomplete evidence or argument could ever take me from the hands of God, or could they talk me out of what I have experienced and know. So incomplete evidence and argument could also not talk me out of what I believe in Yashua to the Glory of Yahweh.
Again more incomplete information. Some rational thinking skeptics have the opposite view. And some rational thinking skeptics agree.
IANS you can do better than this.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542082 May 31, 2013
Mark wrote:
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Nou fijn voor jou, toch?
Wat spreek jij? Zuid Afrikaans?
Ja ... zowel voor ... een beetje

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#542083 May 31, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
There was an advertisement once for coffee, with a guy looking everywhere in the fridge for the bottle... but could not find it... until he heard a voice call out...“It's on top!” That's a bit like my priorities - top listed with the Plan in operation - and knowing that where it began in the beginning with my Father.
“Our Father who art in heaven...”
….
If we all had a similar mindset, I could see humanity heading in a better direction, or at least many of us on an individual basis. We began somewhere, someplace at some point in time, and we at least in this existence will end. However, we can choose how we exit as a collective species or even as individuals. We are way too prideful, believing everything should be handed to us on fine china with tooth-picks and paper napkins. We fuss and fight over trivial stuff, and when you look at our history, many of the wars we have fought could have been easily avoided or negotiated. When you look at us as a whole, whenever the earth has a population boom and countries fall into financial chaos, war follows quickly and death and its vengeance along with it. Millions die and the biggest price paid are by people who have nothing to do with it or don't even know what the fight was all about. Many of the people in here are well educated, and some hold multiple degrees, but many portray themselves as educated fools. Repetitive, spiteful, and ugly in nature. They come here just as many who have been here already, and have hardened their hearts not to regard others and convince themselves that their cause is righteous or that people on the other side of the fence should not be tolerated. We don't have to agree with all the things that we do and who we choose to be in order to tolerate each other. beneath it all, the caveman gene still surfaces, time and time again, and we show ourselves to be nothing more than uncivilized, unloving savages.
Well said, I wished we could all take a similar approach.
Peace_Warrior wrote:
“Thy Will be done on earth as it is in heaven...”
So that 'the lion and the lamb to lie down together '…
… wars will no longer exist, and the ploughs in reality beaten into ploughshares... not just a figure of speech.
Indeed. Swords will be fashioned into plowshares and words of venom and malice into ones of peace, diplomacy, brotherhood and unity. We have been divided for so long and have been fighting for so long, that we do not know how to coexist peacefully, and we don't know when to stop fighting.
Peace_Warrior wrote:
For me turning the other cheek is history - tho I don't know how I have a jaw left - growing up with dolphins at sea in front of the boat taught me to keep going, be happy, and at peace with the world around me, yet even such beautiful creatures are used by man where there is danger in uncharted territory as the seas. And in the oceans of Space and Time there is but One who knows the way... a Father who has never let me down... and God of all there is.
Abundant Love returned CS in everlasting Shalom.
Counter_ Balance
This is why people who don't believe in the Creator don't understand. We cannot show them our experiences, we can only share them. When they lean on man and man alone, it is easy to be let down, hurt and suffer loss. Man will always disappoint even despite their best intentions, but we love nonetheless, because it is what we do and who we are. For without love, the foundations of the world already so shaken would collapse in on itself. If one does not seek Him and seek Him without the cynicism and skepticism then they will never find Him. Faith is as much a doorway as it is a key, love is the path, peace is lock and salvation is what is on the other side of the door. This can only be achieved if we can manage to smile, even when things are at its ugliest.

Shalom and much love, health and prosperity my friend PW.

....and I, Counter_Stike asks everyone here: QUO VADIS

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#542084 May 31, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Insults, insults, and more insults.
It's incredible that you find me so boring, yet you continue to respond and have no defense when I rebuke your claims.
Ahhh Lacez, Lacez, Lacez, woe is you, right? Still playing the martyr card? You, the most persecuted of all that has suffered in Topix kingdom.

I'm not sure you would know an insult if it hit you in the face dear chap. All I'm asking you to do is lay down your persecution complex for a few days, not because I want to be friends, but for the sake of reasoning. Nothing else, but it seems you can't manage it.

All your wasted yelling and hollering and complaining, where is it going to get you? What are you trying to prove? Who are you trying to convince? What is your point old chap? If you would see how awfully pointless this obsession of yours with pointing out bad guys dressed as wolves and play red riding hood is, then you would see that no one is chasing you. there is no hunting party and no grandma's house.

Now, I can't convince you of anything, but obviously there is much fear in you, and where there is fear, there is pain, and where there is pain, there is darkness and suffering. You are no tower nor are you an island fortress lad. All I'm asking you to do is to use your brain for something useful.

You have no idea how boring this place is fast becoming, with the exception of a few posters. What do you fear? If you fear nothing, then you would have no problems with my simple request.

Right?

CS.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542086 May 31, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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I'm taking a couple days off. My foot hurts and I'm in no hurry.
Hey Alice!
Sorry bout your foot, but hey!

Lyrics:

When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.

Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.

When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.

Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.

Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk.
You'll never walk alone.

Since: Oct 10

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#542087 May 31, 2013
Pray for the people in this tornado's path. This is bad. I am feeling like this is the worst in my lifetime. Many deaths I feel. Pray people, Pray
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#542088 May 31, 2013
wilderide wrote:
I can't agree that Christianity was not intended to succeed Judaism. That's the whole reason the Hebrew Bible was included in the Christian Bible. Jesus was supposed to be the Jewish savior (never mind that Jesus didn't fulfill the Hebrew prophesies of who the messiah was supposed to be/what he was supposed to do).
I don't know why you attack Christianity yet give Judaism a pass. Judaism is alot more warlike than Christianity, at least ideologically. Christianity in practice has been more warlike simply because the Jews were dispersed into a diaspora; they had no more opportunity to ethnically cleanse their neighbors. So I'd say that all of the Abrahamic religions are potentially dangerous to a civil society and are morally outdated.
The good part is you do not have to agree with me. We can see things differently and both be right from another perspective.

I do not give Judaism a free pass. Free pass for what?

Explain to me why you think Jews are warlike? They are aggressive in another sense, but their culture is matriarchal rather than patriarchal. They are not all warriors.

We also have to take into consideration that Christianity did her utmost best to extinguish the Jews, this will also have had an effect. Christianity and Judaism, that is 2 billion and 14 million? You want to make it believe that Christianity succeeded Judaism because Christianity has that pretence? So what, Islam is made to succeed Christianity. Those claims are simply done to convert people.

The Story does not even make sense, how can Jesus free all people of the world by breaking the covenant the Jews made with their God? It is hilarious. The Christians do not even seem to understand what this covenant of the Jews with their God is.

They created a story from a Christian viewpoint. Remember everything you think to know is mostly Christian viewpoint on things, even your viewpoint on the Jews. Christians controlled thinking and writing for more than thousand years. We see everything through Christian glasses even if we kid ourselves we don't because we are no longer believers.

Why would the great Roman empire want to make a new chapter to the ideas of a small cult, that had little political influence? What were they so obsessed about?

You seem to accept the Christian lie that Christianity is Judaism 2.0.
I do not. Christianity is a patchwork of cults in which Jewish and Gnostic writings play a mayor role also for the simple reason they were the only cults that had writings. For a new ideology you need writings.

Today people take it for granted that Jesus was a Jew. It was protestants like Albert Schweitzer that started to formulate the idea that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, now everybody thinks this was always believed by christians. This is not the case.

That is because today we think that Israelites and Jews are the same thing. But to earlier Christians Jesus was an Israelite, not a Jew. His line goes back to David, before Salomon to prove he was a pure Israelite, not a Jew.

Jesus comes to restore the religion of the Israelites that was perverted by the Jews. The Jews that did not honour Gods commandments but Talmudic commandment. The evil Talmud they brought from Babylon. Or as Jesus puts it, these Jews are Childeren of the Devil!

No Jesus came to RESTORE Judaism 1.0. Like Mohamed claims that Islam is even more pure and is restoring Abrahamism 1.0. The new testament was written to prove the evilness of the Jews, not to upgrade their religion.

Why would they? The Greek philosophers and the myths of their poets were far superior to anything ever written in the bible. It was done for political reasons. A new state ideology was created to end instability from dangerous religious cults. If you are ruling a slave society with lots of unhappy people you can not afford them to be converted to dangerous cults that make them rebellious.

Will you explain why you believe Christianity succeeded Judaism?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542089 May 31, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Shalom and much love, health and prosperity my friend PW.
....and I, Counter_Stike asks everyone here: QUO VADIS
Just blowing thru and I see you CS... but need time to to get back to you with this epistle! Thank you for sharing and taking the time... until later. 10 am Sat here now.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#542090 May 31, 2013
Adam wrote:
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You've been very inappropriate. I am not gonna discuss something which is disgusting and untrue. Shame on you
He was a homosexual with a foot fetish. He really enjoyed washing the feet of the men in his harem.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Can you show me a scripture where teh Jesus denies being homosexual?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542091 May 31, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
Pray for the people in this tornado's path. This is bad. I am feeling like this is the worst in my lifetime. Many deaths I feel. Pray people, Pray
WITH you always... mmmmmmmmmmmm much pain IS felt B/man!
Joe dugooder

Spencer, MA

#542092 May 31, 2013
The redemptive work of Jesus is complete. Be great full!

Www.newdrivewaypaving.com

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#542093 May 31, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Alice!
Sorry bout your foot, but hey!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =7du-RHGrJrAXX
Lyrics:
When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.
When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high,
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
Is a golden sky,
And the sweet silver song
Of the lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Though your dreams be tossed, and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk alone.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart,
And you'll never walk alone, you'll never walk.
You'll never walk alone.
Hey PW !!

Thanks. The last time I took a long walk, I had two real legs. This is taking some trial and error. I've only fallen about 30 times so far. Stupid mountains :)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#542094 May 31, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>So why are gay men so irresponsible that the federal government says their sexual activities are the biggest threat to passing a scourge of a disease called AIDS?
Why is the incidence of AIDS in the catholic clergy 4 times higher than the national average?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#542095 May 31, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
Pray for the people in this tornado's path. This is bad. I am feeling like this is the worst in my lifetime. Many deaths I feel. Pray people, Pray
http://rt.com/usa/dangerous-tornado-friday-ok...
One photo looks like a great hand...
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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WITH you always... mmmmmmmmmmmm much pain IS felt B/man!
For anyone!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#542096 May 31, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Maybe it is because you have never provided any proof whatsoever that a perfectly working and self-sustaining universe created itself through a fortuitous turn of events that would defy mathematical probabilities.
Universes are simpler than immortal, omnipotent, omniscient gods. Any such argument against a universe existing without a designer is stronger against a god existing uncreated.

All that needs to be the case is that all possible universes form from an amorphous, unconscious multiverse, and this universe becomes a sure thing - perhaps just one of an infinite number just like it, each with self-conscious life. That would explain reality without invoking magic or the astronomically long odds necessary for a god to exist.

There is no need for a god to explain reality, and no way to explain a god.

_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

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#542097 May 31, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> That's sad, we will pray for you.
In the words of my good friend Anti-Theist:

We will think for you.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#542098 May 31, 2013
Adam wrote:
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>apologies, edited for space.<

Phonetic Spelling:'ay-law'
Parts of Speech: Proper Name
Definition: Elah = "An oak"
Several points to learn:
1. "elahh" is the way the word "hhla" (spelled from right to left as it is Aramaic) is pronounced.
2. The words "Elahh", "hhla (read from right to left)" and "Allah" all have the "h" letter and pronunciation in them.
3- "Allah" in Arabic is pronounced as "Al-lawh" or "Al-lah" depending on the sentence that it is used in. In Arabic, the sound of the word "Allah" could be thicker (Allawh) or thinner (Allah) depending on the sentence.
4- The Aramaic word "hhla (read from right to left)", which is transliterated as "elahh" which means "GOD" is pronounced as "El-aw" as show above.
5- The Aramaic word "hla (read from right to left)", which is transliterated as "elah" which means "oak" is pronounced as "Ay-law" also as shown above.
6- "Allah" in Arabic is pronounced as "Al-lawh" or "Al-lah" depending on the sentence that it is used in. In Arabic, the sound of the word "Allah" could be thicker (Allawh) or thinner (Allah) depending on the sentence.
7- The Hebew word "Elohim" is the plural of "Elowah", which is derived from the Aramaic word "Alaha", or "Elahh"; the same as the Arabic word "Allah" or "Allawh" in pronunciation.
If we pronounce the words "Allah" in Arabic and "Elahh (pronounced as 'El-aw')" in Aramaic, then we would hear almost the same exact word.
In Arabic it is important to know that the letter "h" is inserted at the end of every word that ends with the "a" sound. For instance, take my name "Osama". Although it is pronounced as "Osama", but in Arabic it is written as "Osamah". If you pronounce "Osama" and pay close attention to your pronunciation, then you would notice that you are pronouncing it as "Osamah". There is a small "h" pronunciation at the end of it. Take another example "Maria". In Arabic, it is written as "Mariah", because of the slight "h" pronunciation at the end of it. "Angela" is also written as "Angelah" and so on. Arabic does not ignore the slight "h" pronunciation at the end of the words that have the "a" sound at the end of them.
In the case of "Allah". In Arabic, it is in many cases pronounced heavily as "Alla" and slightly as "Allah" unless the person purposely pronounces the "h", which would then be pronounced heavily as "Allah".
In the case of the Aramaic word "El-law (hhla)" above, if you pronouce the word, then you will notice a slight pronunciation of the letter "h". The pronunciation of the word "El-law" is pronounced heavily as "El-law" or "El-la", but it is also pronounced slightly as "El-lah" or "El-lawh" or "Al-lah" or "Allah". Arabic as I said inserts the letter "h" at the end of the words that end with the "a" pronunciation, thus making "Osama" be "Osamah", "Maria" be "Mariah", "Alla" be "Allah", etc...
Source(s):
"El-law" or "El-lawh" in Aramaic means "GOD", while "Eloi" in Aramaic means "My GOD" as Jesus used the word "Eloi" when he was delivered up to the Romans and said "My GOD My GOD why have you forsaken me?(Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachtani?)....(Mark 15:34)"
In Arabic, "GOD" means "Allah", and "My GOD" means "Ilahi" or "Elahi" which is derived from the word "Allah".
All that you say here Adam is correct and makes perfect sense. there's one problem though....The Most High One is not a god or God or gawd or gott or got.

So I don't know. You make a lot of sense but where does the word God and Lord come from. See what you find and let me know.
Elohiym (Elohim) is modern translated as God, but god, or gott or got while being a Norse Sun deity, got its original meaning from gosh, gost, ghost. Basically and more accurately, a spiritual or incorporeal entity. Without shape or form, smoke and light.

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#542099 May 31, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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WITH you always... mmmmmmmmmmmm much pain IS felt B/man!
I have been feeling it for some time now. Most won't understand but you might. My daughter aske me a few days ago what was wrong. I told her I don't know, but it's not good. Something is not right. Great sorrow.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#542100 May 31, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
you need to learn the distingtion between religion and a true born again experience in Christ Jesus.
Religion is pretty sickening, huh? You're not the first to notice. You're not even the first Christian on this thread to distance himself from religion.
LAWEST100 wrote:
Yes, you need to he prayed for very badly
That would be so valuable. Thank you so very much.

And to show my gratitude, I will chant to Mother Earth for you while wearing a pyramid.

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