Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“"None shall pass"”

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#536671 May 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Elohim is a Hebrew word for "god". In the biblical sense, it's almost always used in plural form......
Did you even bother looking it up ?

El is the Hebrew AND Canaanites word for the Father God.
Elohim is the Plural of El and refers to all the Gods, including humans.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#536672 May 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Even though he used it wrong and out of context?
Why do you lie ?

You just think your interpretation of it is correct because you think Paul is God.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#536673 May 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Holy crapballs!!
1,200 posts from Friday to Monday?!
Lol

I know what you mean - I struggle keeping up with the pace in here.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#536674 May 20, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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That is what the conversation was about. Opiates were mentioned at least 3 dozen times and what he wrote scripts for.
Opiates could of been mentioned a google of times ...means nothing to me.
Why?
Because this back & forth bickering between you and Ians holds no value to me ...mostly I scim looking for key words as I scroll.
I wasn't talking about people who are addicted to sewing
<quoted text>
Given the two explanations are in complete contrast of one another, you didn't have to say it. If one is right then the other is wrong
I fail to see the contrast. I found Ians definitions to be both logical and understandable. My light came on ...I get it.
<quoted text>
And there ya have it.
It is all in ones head. The body may be screaming bloody murder, but only because the brain didn't get it's fix and therefore couldn't send the message of "relax" to whatever part of the body is spasming.
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All while conveniently maintaining addiction isn't physical despite truckloads of evidence that shows otherwise
You do know people can die from physical withdrawal even from alcohol right? Is that all in someone's head?
Ians explained that a slow withdrawl may be needed. I've had medications that require the user to gradually step down the dosage rather than quit cold turkey so as to aliviate the problems associated with a sudden stop. Ians explained all that. I fail to see what's so hard to understand.
I don't want to fight with hu nor get too much into your personal business that makes your stance on this all the more baffling but addiction to opiates is physical as well as psychological and anybody telling people otherwise either doesn't know or has reason to lie. I t is like people who still believe you can get Aids from touching people. Medical science has debunked certain lies a long time ago
Medicine is not a science ...medicine is a practice.
One dinosaur + one dinosaur = two dinosaurs.
One space shuttle + one space shuttle = two space shuttles.
Thousands or even millions of years and no change, the outcome is always the same ...that's science.

Healing, the perscribing of medications, the recomendations for an improved quality of life, and providing comfort & lessoning pain at the end of life differs with each individual ...that's a practice.

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#536675 May 20, 2013
Why should Jesus not love you?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#536676 May 20, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Being ignorant not being able to recognize that the sin of lying and stealing aren´t the same like the sin of homosexuality.
Why not?

Where is that written?

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#536677 May 20, 2013
Oh, the answer as to why Jesus should love you, is well, because he's Jesus!

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#536678 May 20, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Did you even bother looking it up ?
El is the Hebrew AND Canaanites word for the Father God.
Elohim is the Plural of El and refers to all the Gods, including humans.
But humans are not gods....

Nowhere is it written that you & I are gods.

That is not biblical.

Since: Mar 09

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#536679 May 20, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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One of my problems with many believers is how they believe Hell was created by a loving god so that he can have the majority of humanity tortured for all eternity.
Kudos to you for not believing in that.
This is why it is so important to me for believer and unbelievers alike to see if things portrayed by some people out of hundreds of millions are technically based on the bible or whether it is a personal that someone else may have had and people just haven't thought to question

That isn't to say someone is stupid or willfully ignorant. I believed for most my life hell was eternal. I can't even tell you with 100% certainty there is no way I am not wrong now. But i can look at the scripture and ask myself some questions

There are a decent amount of verses open to interpretation. In those cases you normally see both sides presented and both sides showing why and both beliefs to widely held considering there are so many Christians in the world. So I found it curious with so many verses saying the soul dies that one almost never hears of annihilation instead of eternal suffering as a possibility.

Life is pretty much looked at the same way, just like with whether addiction is physical. You have to ask yourself, would it benefit someone to tell you something that wasn't true? Now that isn't a scientific proof but it certainly is a litmus test. The faith did used to push fear and Pascal's wager a lot. Eternal suffering would stay consistent with that

Now with beliefs, it is way less tangible than say medicine. But the important thing is to keep an open mind. The odds of anyone that taught us, as most believers did not start off self-taught, being infallible is slim to none.

As human beings it is only natural we will interject our own feelings. I find child rapists to be way worse than someone who steals a candy bar. But if we are going to speak for God's message, then all sins of the flesh lead to death.

I bring that up only to further show why it is important we differentiate personal from Biblical. And why we need to consider how we learned what we did and if there was any bias. IMHO a believer almost always needs to start over with the Bible. Keep the things they were taught that is right and find out what things don't match up with what they have been told.

It is not a fool-proof method but with so many things in life, the more we know and the more we understand possible motives of others, the better chance we have to get to the truth. be it politics, religion, medicine, or life in general

(T) Peace

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#536680 May 20, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Why do you lie ?
You just think your interpretation of it is correct because you think Paul is God.
I'm not lying, hypocrite.

That scripture was in reference to putting food in your mouth, not a dick.

Get real, "god".

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#536682 May 20, 2013
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>Opiates could of been mentioned a google of times ...means nothing to me.
Why?
Because this back & forth bickering between you and Ians holds no value to me ...mostly I scim looking for key words as I scroll.<quoted text>I fail to see the contrast. I found Ians definitions to be both logical and understandable. My light came on ...I get it.<quoted text>It is all in ones head. The body may be screaming bloody murder, but only because the brain didn't get it's fix and therefore couldn't send the message of "relax" to whatever part of the body is spasming.<quoted text>Ians explained that a slow withdrawl may be needed. I've had medications that require the user to gradually step down the dosage rather than quit cold turkey so as to aliviate the problems associated with a sudden stop. Ians explained all that. I fail to see what's so hard to understand.<quoted text>Medicine is not a science ...medicine is a practice.
One dinosaur + one dinosaur = two dinosaurs.
One space shuttle + one space shuttle = two space shuttles.
Thousands or even millions of years and no change, the outcome is always the same ...that's science.
Healing, the perscribing of medications, the recomendations for an improved quality of life, and providing comfort & lessoning pain at the end of life differs with each individual ...that's a practice.
I am not suggesting we ban pain medications

I am not suggesting they can't be very helpful as people sould not suffer needlessly

I am not even suggesting someone may not make the conscious choice to be addicted if they are in chronic pain or going to die if they prefer that over the pain

What I am saying is people need to correct information so they can make informed choices. And often they do not get that because there is huge profit in getting people addicted to pain medications. Doctors that make a living on the repeat business. Doctors that make someone pay for an office visit every month to get a new script for the drug they got them addicted to

What I am saying not knowing the facts makes apathy so much easier. Who cares about the millions addicted around the world because they were just mentally weak and brought it on themselves. They were not smart enough not to get addicted. They could quit anytime as it is just in their head. These lies allow us not to care and keep a billion dollar machine running smoothly

It is the same with the criminal Justice system. Nobody wants to believe it targets blacks or the poor or that laws are created specifically to target certain demos. Nobody wants to think that prosecutors lie and forensic labs cheat and cops are dirty in some cases. It is so much easier to believe a country with the highest percentage of people locked up per capita is just locking up criminals like they are supposed. It would be uncomfortable to believe justice has way less to do with it than profit a lot of the times. Until it happens to them or a loved one

Why do you think 5% of the country controls 95% of the wealth? Because the people interested in maintaining the status quo know what lies to feed us. And most the time we don't bother to check or don't care enough to. Or even suspect there is a reason they would need to. And money makes the world go around for another day

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#536685 May 20, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Skombie , Your aphasia and insolence is a bad skombination. kinda like those speed balls you love. Ive noticed you do a type of dance anywhere you go, its called the jailhouse shuffle.
Three

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#536686 May 20, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Just think skomby, you dies nevertheless you live, maybe youre dead to self?
four

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#536688 May 20, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> True that God put a specification on it as being an Abomination unto him, but when you really think about it, the moralistic individual who has tried to live a decent life ( not a Godly one ), who works hard for his living for example, and stays out of all trouble, but still is having a relationship outside of marriage or even an unrepented fling with a member of the same sex and are ignorant to the fact that is sin also and die unrepented..........will suffer hellfire as well, so to me the whole thing concerning various sins really becomes academic.
I am not defending gayness under any circumstances Adam, but unless one heeds the call of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, a person will be judged condemned and casted into hell regardless of what their sins were.
Blessings.
Of course there are many things the bible says are an abomination to your god:

Lying lips
Proverbs 12:22

Everyone who is arrogant in heart
Proverbs 16:5

Unequal weights and unequal measures
Proverbs 20:10

Starfish, lobsters, crabs, squid & oysters
Leviticus 11:10

A proud look
Proverbs 6:16-17

No doubt there are many more.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#536689 May 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No it isn't. There's no sin that's 'worse' than another.
Actually, the says there is.

However, it's not homosexuality.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#536690 May 20, 2013
Adam wrote:
@LAWEST100
I must admit I have a anti marriage complex that only god knows.As long god blesses my love to the woman I love and I want and put us together like ADAM and EVE I am ok with that.
Don't worry.

When you get to muslim heaven, your god will ensure that women outnumber men by at least 4-1.

In some cases 72-1

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#536691 May 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's what I thought, shit-fer-brains, and why I require that you produce the words that you are paraphrasing. I never accused my "priest" of stealing.
For starters, I was referring to the future following the moment I left the church and all the money I saved by no longer tithing, not my past or all of the money I had already given.
Second, there is no verb there that can be construed as theft or stealing. That's your own fantasy, little man. I gave what I gave willingly, and didn't regret it or express regret there. I was thrilled about what I had saved by stopping.
You are a subliterate moron that can't read and reproduce simple prose without mangling it.
You are lying

You claimed the priest was using the money for and his kids

In a later post he suggested he get a real job if he wants to use the money for his family and not take yours

The money that goes into the church is for expenses and charities. It is not for the priest or their families. If they took it for that it would be called stealing

You love to play semantics and parse your words because that is what bigots do. They try to hide in plain site. They leave themselves the windows of deniability

No matter how you want to twist it, your post accused your priest of stealing. You did so with no proof. You are unethical

But watching how you rationalize to yourself makes it so much easier to understand you

If money you received as a doctor that was supposed to go to research was instead used for you to buy a boat, you would be guilty of theft. And if i said I am not giving any more money to Dr Taint for research because it will just go to buying himself another boat, I would be accusing you of being a thief

As it is, I am accusing you of being a liar

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#536692 May 20, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Where is it written that the sin of stealing or lying is the same like homosexuality?
Answering a question with a question is quite rude...

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#536694 May 20, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Religion is something you are born into. Jews are jews because their parents are jews. Moslems are moslems because their parents were christian, Some leave the church when the become adults others before. I don´t know what you are trying to say. We still live in a civilized world and not in Sodom and Gomorrah. The question is how should I threat you?
I agree.

There's no getting away from the fact, that for the vast majority of believers, parentage and country of birth dictate just what their belief is.

People don't chose their religion by carrying out in-depth studies of all the others and deciding which one has the best ethics, miracles, etc.

If the christians in here had been born to muslim families in Saudi Arabia they would, invariably, be muslims. If they'd been born in India, it's odds on they'd be worshipping the many hindu deities.

RiversideRedneck

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#536695 May 20, 2013
Adam wrote:
@RiversideRedneck
I remember eating pork and drinking alcohol is also considered as a sin but it´s not a mortal sin.
So how can you weigh this with the abominable sin of homosexuality?
Eating pork and drinking alcohol are not sins, not to most people.

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