Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#535323 May 17, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Sure is nutty Rosa!
Nutty Rosa ...
Is that a new chocolate bar?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#535324 May 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
More people that are attacked by bears live rather than die. It's true now and it was true then.

I don't know what the big fuss about this scripture is, 42 teenagers and young adults are ganging up and attacking one man and because the bears came out and helped the man, you people are all up in arms over it. What's the big deal?
Bears helped the old man? As in on their own? That's pretty funny.

Or perhaps you meant that the bears were sent by the god. Weren't you trying to show that this was not a horror story? It's pretty horrible whatever is thought to be happening there.

The youths were attacking? Aren't you going a little further than the scripture allows? Look at this translation:

“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.”- 2 Kings 2:23-24 (NAB)

I'll let you change "small boys" to teens and older, and "tor[n] to pieces" to just mauled.

But I don't see an attack any greater than the kind launched here on Topix: mere words. Is mauling by bear just? Is it necessary? Whatever it is, it's pure OT Jehovah, the sadistic, murderous, angry, judgmental god of the Christian bible, before he reinvented himself as Jesus.

Anyway, take a giant step back and look at what you are arguing. How can this be effective for you? We can concede all of your preferences in translation, and it's still an unbelievably horrible story. Throw in that the youth were menacing the old man, or even had roughed him up a little. Couldn't your god use the bears to disperse the crowd a little less violently? Not Jehovah.

Why does the Christian seem to never see these things? This is a horror story describing a monstrous god that overreacts a hundredfold.

Do you want to try to say otherwise? You seem to be trying. How can that help your religion or you?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535326 May 17, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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as well as African Christian countries still executing homosexuals.
Absolutely!

Here's what happens when Christian missionaries get to work in Africa...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/afric...

"The move by Mr Aidoo has drawn support from other politicians, including the general secretary of the People's National Convention (PNC) who told Radio Gold on Tuesday: "Homosexuality is abhorrent. Media discourse across the world is being dictated by the vulgar opinions of homosexuals. Ghana and probably Africa cannot sustain the menace of homosexuals."

==========

From Ghana's Christian Council:

"We Can't Afford to Destroy Our Future in the Name of Human Rights"

"The clergy have spoken. Homosexuality, they pontificate, is ungodly. After taking a critical view of the activities of gay and lesbians in the society, the clergy says it "cannot afford to destroy the future of this country in the name of human rights," and described homosexuality as "unnatural and ungodly" act.

Wading into the controversy on same sex relationship in the country from the biblical perspective at a press conference in Accra yesterday, the Christian Council of Ghana said the practice of homosexuality should not be entertained in the Ghanaian society.

"It is an abomination in the eyes of God and also contributes to the growing rate of sexually transmitted diseases," the leaders of the Christian community explained.

If you've got the intestinal fortitude you can read the rest of it right here.....

http://allafrica.com/stories/201107200026.htm...
mike

AOL

#535327 May 17, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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I got hit by a car.
I encourage people to ask. I'll take my leg off and show you how it works. I go to local schools and talk about it.
I'm not a freak. I'm not a Cyborg. Don't be afraid of me because I'm different. I'm also vegan and homosexual. Most schools don't want to hear about that. It's hard to get gigs :)
Entertainment has arrived, did you bring popcorn?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535328 May 17, 2013
Come to think of it:

Christian missionaries have spread their bigotry and hatred to influence these superstitious people.

Has anyone done more damage to the traditional African ways of life than Christian missionaries?
mike

AOL

#535329 May 17, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Pretty wise my friend
Two questions if you don't mind
What caused the situation with your leg?
And what is the proper emotional response? I know people don't want to be pitied and to be treated like anybody else. But obviously its a challenge you have to deal with. And is it insulting to express empathy? Or would interest be abetter route?
Normally how I have handled a situation is simply to ask someone like "hey if you don't mind me asking what happened?" They have always told me. I normally ask a question or two and then move on to regular conversation
I feel like pretending I am not aware of the situation comes off as fake. Yet I know people want to be treated lie anyone else would be treated
I have neevr had the opportunity to really ask someone and I feel comfortable enough with you and that you probably won't be offended so wa shoping i could learn a little from ya. What do you prefer from people? If its curiosity not pity, would you prefer someone acknowledge or do you feel like it isn't really their business?
Again, just asking cause obviously i don't wanna offend someone and have never really known for sure if it was stupid to ask. It never felt like anyone was offended but was wondering what your advice would be?
Still looking for a girl Skombolis?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535330 May 17, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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I just don't get how they think WE are the immoral ones.
Spot on!

You won't find anything about killing in humanist doctrines, principles and manifestos.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535331 May 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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More people that are attacked by bears live rather than die. It's true now and it was true then.
I don't know what the big fuss about this scripture is, 42 teenagers and young adults are ganging up and attacking one man and because the bears came out and helped the man, you people are all up in arms over it. What's the big deal?
The bible doesn't say they attacked him.

They laughed at him and called him baldhead but there was no attack.

Other than the murderous rage of the bible god manifested in two she-bears.
mike

AOL

#535332 May 17, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>I am so going to miss you :(
Sometimes character leave the room in order to bring in another character!
mike

AOL

#535334 May 17, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
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Rest Well :)
Lonely old fool!

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#535335 May 17, 2013
Truths wrote:
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I do not have the power to condemn someone~ I do not condemn her.
.. when a prosecuting attorney calls an authority to the witness stand,(s)he is hoping to convince the jury that the defendant is guilty. Such an action is called an "Appeal To Authority." ..

.. by quoting scripture to Lasez (an Appeal To Authority), your position is clear - you condemn his behavior. If you say, "I didn't say it, God did," you're simply using the bible as a cloak to mask your position ..

.. let me rephrase my question ..

.. by quoting scripture, did you want or did you need to condemn Lasez ??..

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535336 May 17, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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Indeed they did. In fact, the Bible was written only in Latin, so that only priests and other scholars could read it. William Tyndale translated the first English Bible. In 1536, he was burned @ the stake for his trouble.
One reason is that if you can read it properly, you can see what a Warlord the OT God was.
No wonder those christians had William Tyndale killed.

After all, we only need to look at the reaction of the Church when the first European (China had them centuries before) printing presses started to produce bulk runs of the bible. Prior to the printing press, the church had a monopoly on the production of documents and books. They also had the authority and influence to ensure that any documents it deemed to be heretical could be seized and destroyed.

Thankfully and despite the best efforts of christians to prevent it, printing presses took book copying out of the hands of the church. This led to more and more secular publications which would shake the foundations of centuries of christian thought.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535337 May 17, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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Well, the story of Troy was true history. They excavated the ruins in present day Turkey.
I don't know how accurate Homer's version was tho. He was Greek, so from the winning side.
We all know that many believers will often take the smallest archaeological find as evidence that everything that happened in the bible was for real.

Perhaps we can apply that logic to Troy and use that as evidence that the Greek gods were also for real.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535339 May 17, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> What the spirit inspired Timothy to write is still a part of the Word of God, God has the roles outlined for both men and women in his church, what is your problem with that besides your unbelief?
It's just an observation.

We rarely hear christians saying that faith will not get a woman into heaven. Not unless they also have babies.

It's not the smartest of scriptures but everyone has off days..... even God.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#535340 May 17, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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maybe you missed this one... re-post won't hurt.
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Jonah 3
10 When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.
So I was right about prophecies.

They are of what may happen - not of what will happen.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#535341 May 17, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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I've been lucky, Skom. Some people look at me and feel pity. Some look at me and say, "There but for the grace of GOD, go I".
Some look at me furtively and shift their eyes when I look back. I observe.
.. quite often, people are somewhat near-sighted ..
Bongo

Bronx, NY

#535342 May 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Bears helped the old man? As in on their own? That's pretty funny.
Or perhaps you meant that the bears were sent by the god. Weren't you trying to show that this was not a horror story? It's pretty horrible whatever is thought to be happening there.
The youths were attacking? Aren't you going a little further than the scripture allows? Look at this translation:
“From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.”- 2 Kings 2:23-24 (NAB)
I'll let you change "small boys" to teens and older, and "tor[n] to pieces" to just mauled.
But I don't see an attack any greater than the kind launched here on Topix: mere words. Is mauling by bear just? Is it necessary? Whatever it is, it's pure OT Jehovah, the sadistic, murderous, angry, judgmental god of the Christian bible, before he reinvented himself as Jesus.
Anyway, take a giant step back and look at what you are arguing. How can this be effective for you? We can concede all of your preferences in translation, and it's still an unbelievably horrible story. Throw in that the youth were menacing the old man, or even had roughed him up a little. Couldn't your god use the bears to disperse the crowd a little less violently? Not Jehovah.
Why does the Christian seem to never see these things? This is a horror story describing a monstrous god that overreacts a hundredfold.
Do you want to try to say otherwise? You seem to be trying. How can that help your religion or you?
One is wise to fear God. Know why I kill baby rats? Because they grow up to be big rats.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#535343 May 17, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Jibberish!
"Fake" wanna-be coward!
Good Morning mike :) I'm sorry it seemed jibberish to you.
But thanks for letting me know your thoughts.
B-man

P.S. Hey mike, you shouldn't put yourself down like that. Next time, even if your feeling down, just sign off, mike.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#535344 May 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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*blah blah blah yakkety schmakety*,
...who were you hiding from anyway?
i was hiding/lost, but now i'm found; was blind but now i see:)

"and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden"

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#535345 May 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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"Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number." because bears are known for their restraint.
word to the wise: don't exasperate the prophets of God while they're on a mission!

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