Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#534641 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Is that what you perceive or conceptualize no free will to be manifested as?
Interesting.
What? No I was addressing your argument of where would be the harm if we didnt know our free will was taken. You also wouldnt know if u were killed but no harm there either? losing free will causes harm

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#534645 May 15, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> That is true, but as I've just said to someone else a short while ago, not all things that exist necessarily have material evidence attached to them, and this where faith and belief as well as some level of common sense will come into play, when you can see all of creation around you, like the blue skies, the clouds, the tree's and all land formation around you, it is inconceivable to me that a person can witness nature and not have an understanding that SOMETHING greater than ourselves created it all, even if some of us do not have a detailed knowledge of whom that something or someone is, all of this did not created itself, and if anyone insisted that it has always been here ( as someone once eluded to me years before ) than you still have to ask the question when was it's beginning?.........and what was it that kicked started the universal process of it's creation?
faith is not a path to knowledge or truth

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#534646 May 15, 2013
hick-up wrote:
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Anybody can talk to dead people Mike.
Prolly a good idea ta take notes if'n they talk back.

“John 3:seventeen”

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#534649 May 15, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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It's in the SAME PART of the bible you are referring to in order to hate gay people. It says to eat shellfish, to even touch pork, to wear mixed fabrics, is JUST as bad as being gay.
WHERE does it name homosexuality as a sin?
Where does it SPECIFICALLY say "homosexuality is a sin"?
Without an answer to these questions, you will have proven yourself a liar, and that's against one of your precious ten commandments.
Genesis---- Sodom and Gomorrah

Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.


Leviticus 20:13

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.


New Testement:
Romans 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534650 May 15, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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Nobody needs pity.
For once we agree.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534651 May 15, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Hey >>>Lawest<<< Still just blowing thru on a very blustery day... 11 am Thurs... and soon must go out.[I think.] Was trying to do some catch up, and just saw your big post now re IRS... does this surprise you? Maybe there is something about standing back that some things become more clear. A bit like an artist with a painting, and new light is seen in it which is truly applicable to its reality.
Greeting again Irrira, no my friend........nothing truly surprises me anymore, people here in the USA don't want to admit it, but there is and likely have always been corruption and dishonesty at the very highest level of our government agencies, and that is nothing new at all.

Glad to have you with us sis. Peace and Blessings.

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#534652 May 15, 2013
1 Kings 15:6-11

1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)


6 And there was war between Rehoboam and Jeroboam as long as he lived.

7 The rest also of the acts of Abijam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Judah? there was also war between Abijam and Jeroboam.

8 And Abijam slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.

9 ¶ And in the twenty years of Jeroboam King of Israel, reigned Asa over Judah.

10 He reigned in Jerusalem one and forty years, and his [a]mother’s name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.

11 And Asa did right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534654 May 15, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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faith is not a path to knowledge or truth
It is to GOD'S truth and spiritual enlightment.
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#534656 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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I still think the mechanism of belief works the same for whatever worshiped or respected deity, or "force/aspect of nature" is being discussed at the moment.
I also think belief in ghosts, astrology, mediums and other "supernatural" things people profess a belief in are quite similar, or exactly similar in the mechanism by which people decide to believe in deities, "revered forces", "perceived supernatural energies", whatever it or they may be.
You could probably apply that to aliens, too.
So, yeah, I understand that Monotheism and Animism et al are disparate belief sets/concepts, but the way in which those beliefs are arrived at are much the same.
That is semantic question. There is belief and belief. If I say I sense an aggressive spirit on this forum, is that the same as: I believe in Jesus? Is it the same as: I believe my car is still outside. Or I believe he is a baker. Or I believe in Love?

In Christianity belief is subscribing to a set a of carefully prescribed notions. Children are made to learn them by heart. They are constantly reinforced in Church meetings that are held for that purpose. It is a belief SYSTEM.

You presume that an Indian can not sense a spirit but only believes in them because his mother told them they exist. But that goes for everything we know. Without upbringing and training you would not even recognize a chair. Children brought up by dogs, simply behave like dogs.

Why can we distinguish things in certain way? That is because we learned to distinguish and label them in certain ways. But the same goes for spiritual aspects of reality. People distinquish spirits and label them.

Direct experience is not imagination, the way we interpret it is always imagination. Reality is not the model our rational thinking is creating around it. That is just a model. We have started to live in models of reality since the Greek philosophers tried to break down reality in unique pieces. Now many people think these models are more real than direct experience. If things do not fit their particular rational model they reject it.

But only direct experience is true knowledge. How we label it, categorize it, bundle it, value it, is a man made thing.

Al people can still experience spirits, but people have learned to give that different interpretations and wording. Suppose a spirit makes you feel jealous. You will feel that, but than you will start rationalizing. You start making up explanations till you found one that satisfies you. You make yourself believe this is the right explanation.

You would not consider the possibility that it is the work of a spirit, because in your imaginary world spirits do not exist. You can explain everything without that. But the Indian did not need your ideas either for an explanation.

The whole idea that there is only ONE right explanation for everything in reality is an idea that Christianity and Science share. But that is simply an unproven idea. It is more realistic to say that there are endless ways to view reality. Your view is as good as mine. Both add to the general picture. Like you can make many photo's of you and they are all different but all you. No one photo will ever be the REAL you.

In stead of these useless fights over the truth we rather respect other views and add them to our luggage. This idea that Christianity is the ONE truth is what led to so much suffering. If science is going the same road, it may become an even tighter prison of the mind. Lets remember that science is based on several unprovable ideas. Even the rules of logic are debatable. Science has an effect on the way humans imagine and create the world around them, but that does not make it "true". It is a tool of the mind. Only direct experience is true knowledge. As soon as you start interpreting, it becomes imagination. And that imagination creates new experiences. Reality can not be fit in a human brain on the basis of simple concepts.

_-Alice-_

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#534657 May 15, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> For once we agree.
I'm fairly sure that we would agree on more than one issue. We simply haven't discussed it.

First impressions being what they are...

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534658 May 15, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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I'm fairly sure that we would agree on more than one issue. We simply haven't discussed it.
First impressions being what they are...
Yep.
mike

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#534659 May 15, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
1 Kings 15:6-11
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
6 And there was war between Rehoboam and Jeroboam as long as he lived.
7 The rest also of the acts of Abijam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the Chronicles of the kings of Judah? there was also war between Abijam and Jeroboam.
8 And Abijam slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead.
9 ¶ And in the twenty years of Jeroboam King of Israel, reigned Asa over Judah.
10 He reigned in Jerusalem one and forty years, and his [a]mother’s name was Maachah, the daughter of Abishalom.
11 And Asa did right in the eyes of the Lord, as did David his father.
Where in the bible does it say, "it's okay to talk to dead people"?, since you're in the mood to quote scriptures

“A Universal Cause”

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#534660 May 15, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Hello, ma'am. How you tonight?
Well 2 hours later Doc... no fun heh? But it was no fun getting those weird links that threw up in my lap-top either. So sorry if I when back and missed your first hello. I'm fine... and trust this finds you at peace also - and most probly your are chilling out with your music - here's a happy one... your jazz kind... and God Bless til again.

“The eye has it...”

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#534661 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>What? No I was addressing your argument of where would be the harm if we didnt know our free will was taken. You also wouldnt know if u were killed but no harm there either? losing free will causes harm
Yeah, conjecture. That's not meant to slight your comment, but know one "knows" that'd be the case.

I wouldn't say it, but it could be said the negation of free will might create an almost Utopian, or 'heaven like" society, no?

I dunno, it'd be difficult to speculate since we can only speculate from the viewpoint of beings that have a will.

“The eye has it...”

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#534662 May 15, 2013
Correction:*no one knows*, not, >know one knows<.

Where would we be without typos.....

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#534663 May 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>You give new meaning to the word Stupid.
Find me forums on the internet like topix or on topix, where Christians are arguing with thousands of writings against the gods you mentioned, just like the atheists are writings thousands of writings against a God they supposedly believe is a myth. Not the website of the Vatican Church library filled with books and located in Rome, Italy.
You don't see the difference? or do I have to break it down further?
You are deflecting.
Now you wish to move the goalposts...
That's dishonest.
The writings are there.

In the end, it is the Abrahamic religions >not other religions< that have caused so much blood and misery for the last 2000 years...so that is what is being addressed.
250 million dead, and still rising. The misery is unfathomable.

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#534664 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Correction:*no one knows*, not, >know one knows<.
Where would we be without typos.....
Don't worry. We got it.

_-Alice-_

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#534665 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Correction:*no one knows*, not, >know one knows<.
Where would we be without typos.....
Ask Mary.

Oh, you said typos. I thought you said typhus.

Sorry...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#534666 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Peter DID choose, scar. You're missing that.
Jesus simply knew what he was going to choose.
You are dancing around the truth.
If Jesus already knew what was going to happen, it was "predestined".
There is no "free will" in "predestined"....non e

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