Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534603 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I understand what you're saying but it seems a bit pessimistic, no?
Yes, it is. Sorry. That's what I see.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Besides, what's the alternative? Move to Mexico like you did? No thanks.
Your alternative appear to be to fight it, accept it, or leave it.

I think fighting is in vain.

I chose not to accept it for a variety of reasons that might not pertain to you. Perhaps staying put would be better for you. America might not be too bad if you're conservative. You might get what you want, although if you do, I'll bet you won't want it after you get it.

And if you choose to leave, Mexico is only one option. I'm well satisfied with it, but you might not be.

I hear that Ecuador, Thailand and Chile are decent places to live as well, although I have no first hand knowledge. I've also heard good things about Belize and Costa Rica. Europe is pricier than any of these.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534605 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You're good to post to, IANS. When you're not being a douchey bigot.
Ditto. I appreciate your good nature lately.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#534606 May 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Keep waiting.
Why would she get involved? The Dimwit has begged for the insults. He has done everything in his power to start them and perpetuate them. He works overtime to keep them coming.
Did he not see what happened between me and G_O_ng about his head up his girlfriend's ass. That was contrition enough for me, wasn't it? On that basis of that alone, and nothing else at all, I chose to bury the hatchee tiniest hint of contrition, he has actually escalated his offensive.
How should I deal with that? And why should Happy Lesbo object?
Nobody needs to feel sorry for that piece of garbage. He deserves every single word of abuse he gets.
LoL...ppl know you are losing...and badly Taint. His point was HLs hypocrisy not that I need the guy i am making as ass out of to take it easy on me! just tell me if now "doctor" if you understand prolonged opiate use leads to Physical Addiction?
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534608 May 15, 2013
Bye,Ree Ree.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534609 May 15, 2013
boooots wrote:
Has it actually been proved beyond doubt that teaching a pig to sing annoys it?:)
Have you seen their faces?

This one was working on Singing In The Rain. He looks pissed. I think his name is Boooots, too.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ozurEB97SSI/Tc-fXhO...

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#534610 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>And I definitely believe you. I mean the God whom you made certain ppl know you dont believe in and that you called nasty and a SOB suddenly is the source of genuine curiosity for you. What did you say you did again for a living? oops.....:)
Again, you are being agressive and certainly not friendly.

But that's ok, I'll try to explain.

Yes. The god I have been hearing about, especially in the OT, is indeed depicted as nasty and a SOB. Some try to explain that one way, some another way. But my conclusion is that this being, who Christians (and Jews) believes is real, is not nice. Again, I don't think he/she exists, I'm saying that the supposed being is not nice.

Jesus on the other hand is a different story. I can't say definitively whether the man Jesus, the person, existed or not. Maybe he did. If he did, there's no question he was a very, very good person and serves as a model, or a guide, for goodness in others. I tip my hat to Jesus' teachings, as I understand them.(But again, I am a nonbeliever in anything supernatural, so I reject the notion of Jesus as a god, the resurrection, any of that.)

And by the way, I am no more a nonbeliever in the OT or the Christian god than I am of the gods of other cultures and religions. I'm no expert on Greek and Roman gods, or the Mayan or Inca or Toltec or Scandinavian gods, but I reject those too while having a curiosity about the myths and the theories of the believers.

What I don't understand is why you object when I say I have a curiosity about religious beliefs. I kick myself to this day that I didn't take Philosophy of Religion, which was offered in my undergraduate school.

What I do for a living is one thing. My venture into Topix has nothing to do with it--it satisfies a whole different part of my intellect and curiosity. I try to separate the two, except when the legal field comes into the discussion; then, I can't help reverting to my professional side.

I hope this makes some sense to you.
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534612 May 15, 2013
Hey,that nose with the red wart kinda' reminds me of another infamous nose!: http://www.bing.com/videos/search... 'M+MELTING+OZ+YOUTUBE&mid= 48773AA0596316FEE43E48773AA059 6316FEE43E&view=detail &FORM=VIRE1
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534614 May 15, 2013
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_-Alice-_

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#534615 May 15, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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This sounds like ex president Bush...'You are either for us or against us!'
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They are grasshoppers!
We are worse. We not only destroy what's on the surface, we burrow deep and suck dry what came before us.
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534616 May 15, 2013
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534617 May 15, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Is there anything intelligent you can say?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#534618 May 15, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hey,that nose with the red wart kinda' reminds me of another infamous nose!: http://www.bing.com/videos/search... 'M+MELTING+OZ+YOUTUBE&mid= 48773AA0596316FEE43E48773AA059 6316FEE43E&view=detail &FORM=VIRE1
Hey! Why you sending me crap, or match making stuff ??? You should know I am light hearted but not dumb stupid Doc???

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#534619 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah we would probably not be aware it happened. But since right now you can think and act for yourself, is that something you would want? You are capable of considering it now since your mind is free. would the tradeoff be worth it? Would you prefer to be a mindless robot? The question isnt could God do it or would we know after but rather would it be worth taking all the real meaning and individuality and personalities that makes us unique out of life? What would be the point? Dont you prefer to be able to make your own choices?
I'm not sure we'd become "mindless robots". This is a concept that really defies conceptualizing in some aspects. For instance, those people we discussed that are compelled to do something, either by an obsession, or those that have no restraint of conscience(uninhibited free will?), are often found to be relatively normal people in many respects(they don't all become killers, rapists, arsonists etc...). Oft times they live in society with relatively few problems.

I think the point, is that to talk about an absence of freewill, and then make declarations about what that would mean or imply as far as affecting the lives of humans is all conjecture, from both you and myself.

Sure, it can be discussed, but I don't think it can be fully explored since we are in possession of a will.

As limited or unfettered in whatever circumstance it may be.
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534620 May 15, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Hey Doc! This downloads... so I deleted without looking... keep it real man?
You're no fun....

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#534621 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Edit Scaritual...put it this way. What if someone were to come up behind you and shoot you in the head? You would just be dead. You wouldnt know you were dead or that someone took everything of meaning from you. Would that be all right since you wouldnt know it happened?
Is that what you perceive or conceptualize no free will to be manifested as?

Interesting.
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534622 May 15, 2013
Doctor REALITY

United States

#534623 May 15, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Hey! Why you sending me crap, or match making stuff ??? You should know I am light hearted but not dumb stupid Doc???
http://www.awn.com/files/imagepicker/35/1106g...
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#534624 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
As it stands, at this moment, your deity belief is no different than any other deity belief, what suffices to you as evidence, also works on the Hindu, Animist, and all other deity belief variations in more or less general terms.
So, while you or the Hindu may feel that you each worship the "real god(S)", due to whatever reason, if the evidence is to cause someone to believe differently or change deity belief completely, then it has to rely on real evidence.
This is not so. There are fundamental differences between monotheism and nature religions.

The idea of the real God, the only truth, is essential to monotheism. In most nature religions people do not believe such a God. And it they do they say the same God expresses himself in many different Gods.

They recognize a variety of Spirits, as everything in nature has a spirit, even simple stones (Only in Abramistic religions it is believed that only man carries a spirit).

Humans are neither submissive nor inferior to Gods in Nature religions. In nature religions people USE the spirits like we use material objects. They do not submit to them. Worshipping is rather a technique to acquire things. If they a worship a God or other spirit and it does not have any effect, they will cast him aside like a blunt knife. They do not care at all what other people worship, just what works for them.

In nature religions Gods are simply another class of beings, and there are classes of Gods as well. For instance you have spirits that possess a material body, like the Sun, but also spirits that do not have that. We still speak of the spirit of Love, the spirit of Peace, The spirit of Harmony, but also the spirit of hate.

That a stone has a spirit should not be understood that it has the mind of a human being. But some people can sense that some stones have certain beneficial spiritual qualities, apart from their physical qualities. That is why some people sense certain objects bring them calm or bad luck. Of course their is a lot of deceit and false claims in people selling stuff in commercial societies.

But today we have become over-rationalized in trying to give even all spiritual experiences a material cause. For instance if Sunlight has a beneficial effect on depression, it has to be explained in a material cause-effect-chain.

It is because of Christianity that we are trying to do that, because Christianity claims that only humans have a spirit. So my words may have a spiritual effect on you but not the Sun.

What we call "theology" is unique for monotheism particularly Christianity. Nature religion base itself on induction, but Christianity is based on theory. It was designed. It started with Plato, who created the idea that all objects in reality are imperfect copies of perfect forms in another roam. These forms he recognized in perfect circles, triangles etc.(ideas developed by earlier philosophers). These perfect forms were part of the perfect being, the ONE GOD. The Jews and many other cultures incorporated these ideas.

When the Romans constructed Christianity they threw ideas from all cults in the mix to keep everybody happy. They created a theoretical monstrosity called the trinity. This is the work of scholars, theoreticians and politicians. In this concept the one God is a spirit, a father figure, and a walking talking hero and moral teacher at the same time.

Nature religions are essentially based on induction. What you feel. Not on theory, they have no theology (ideology). A religion like Hinduism for instance has many schools of philosophy. But no theory is a theology. Just like science as several theories on an phenomena. American Indians never cared about any special God nor did they believe in a heaven, but they prepared the spirit for the next life.

The whole belief thing is typical for monotheism, especially Christianity. So not throw it all on the big heap.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#534626 May 15, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Dork ...

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#534627 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> the questions dont irritate me, stupidity does. You arent even close to on point. But like a child who insists ppl stop and pay attention to him you want to switch the conversation from why God doesnt stop bad things from happening to why God has punished mankind as told in the Bible. For an adult, those are 2 diff converations. Had we been talking about the other subject I would have been fine with it. But we were not
No, it's relevant to the conversation, in which the biblical story has numerous instances of interfering on it's own behalf, but mans, not so much.

Okay, now would be a good time to bring up that the deity sent its other self to save its creations from the wrath of itself by sacrificing itself to itself.

And all the while despots and storms and afflictions and life taking events take the lives of humans on a daily basis.

I suppose if that pissed the deity off or the deity took offense from that, he'd intervene there, too.

At least we have rainbows that guarantee us the world won't be flooded again...~/

Teeny floods and death is just fine, however.

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