Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534342 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
My heart goes out to those people, I'm glad America went in and removed their tyrannical dictators.
Hussein was murdering his own citizens, IANS. Do you understand that?
How many times do I need to address the same point, Helen? Once again,

"I saw thousands of those bumper stickers exhorting the god to bless America, but not one asking it to protect innocent Iraqis. And I learned something from that. I think it's obvious. Christians didn't care about the Iraqis. Keep in mind that these are the same Iraqi citizens that many of you refer to when trying to justify the military action, which we will hear saved those people from a cruel despot. I think you posted that recently yourself. The implication was that you care about those people. But not enough to ask your god to bless them from harm - just enough to bomb them and their families into freedom. Who do you think you're kidding about your sentiments?"

So how do you respond? Exactly as described. I guess I need to say it again: Who do you think you're kidding? You're just not credible. What do you think that people who genuinely cared about the Iraqi people - perhaps an Iraqi-American with loved ones living in Iraq - were thinking about? Just the troops?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534343 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I spoke with an Iraqi-American just a few months ago. He was so very proud and thankful to what America did for his homeland. He was nearly in tears when he was telling me of the first time he voted. He was finally proud to call Iraq his home.
Weren't you chiding me for making a comment about Christians considering Bush anointed because I linked you to a few opinions supporting that? You admonished me for generalizing based on that, which was incorrect - I had heard and read many things supporting that viewpoint over the years, and provided you with examples. You know one person and think the Iraqis are tickled with Americans because he could vote. I'll bet he wasn't maimed and didn't lose his family.

Talk to a few like that.

An anecdote comforts you to ignore the damage that your government did. Fine. But don't expect me to believe that you cared about those people.

If you're such a people person who is willing to spill American blood and waste its treasure freeing the downtrodden victims of dictators, why aren't you advising America to invade another such country?

I know why even if you don't: you don't care about those people enough to spend that much for them. Neither do I. The difference is that you pretend that you do to justify your government's cruel, senseless, illegal and very costly war. After all, you're patriotic!

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#534344 May 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Show me thousands of writings on the internet by Christians denying the existence of those gods. As usual all you have your word, which means nothing.
http://www.vaticanlibrary.va/home.php...

Done!

Since: May 09

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#534345 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh. It's your educated mind that makes you spend countless hours debating a god you don't believe in and a book you believe is myth?
Odd...
Yeah, I used to debate the "2012'er End 0 the Worlders"(thats really fizzled out), too, more so than here. That included the "Quantum woo" crowd, the "NDE'ers" and others.

I debate many things that are foolish or without verifiable evidence.

Since: May 09

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#534346 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Curious. What do you mean free will is limited?
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534347 May 15, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
since you say otherwise Skombolis is moping the floor with you.
Typical.

I criticize your church, you take it personally, and try to strike out at me personally. You people have very little character. You don't have much reserve, You decompensate over nothing.

I am so used to this that I just don't care to even try not to offend you. It's impossible if I criticize what you consider sacred. So who cares what you consider sacred, ro how you'll respond to criticism of it?

If you can't take the heat, maybe you should be in places where only Christians go, like church. This isn't such a place.

Incidentally, the Dimwit can mope all he likes.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#534348 May 15, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
done? lol.

https://www.google.com/

That's all you did.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534349 May 15, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
It is often difficult to tell when someone is joking or serious here.
Text is a poor medium for conveying intent and emotion.
Agreed. It's difficult to convey vocal inflection with text.

That's why RR doesn't text people, only phone calls.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534350 May 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. that reminds me of my four-month arsenic attempt. When RR was finally on his deathbed, I decided to bake his favorite snack - soft dough chocolate-chip raisin cookies ..
.. he was upstairs, in bed, taking his final breaths when he smelled the cookies and somehow managed to get down to the kitchen ..
RR: OH !! sweetheart, you baked my favorite snack!
HL: Don't you dare touch the cookies!
RR: Why not?
HL: They're for your funeral tomorrow.
RR: Why are you so mean?
HL: We'll discuss that in a few days.
.. RR doesn't remember anything. Dr. IANS said he was delirious ..
<< HU laughs >>
<< HL reaches for another can of Drano & squeezes more oranges >>
Ahahahahahaaaaa!!

You are such a dork.

HL: They're for your funeral tomorrow.

RR: Why are you so mean?

HL: We'll discuss that in a few days.

My fav part ;)

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534351 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
Then later, one of the disciples told someone what they'd seen, that it was true as could be, and that the Jesus! even prophesied what that disciple would do one night... and the person listening said;
"Bull fuggin sh!t"
Is there still free will there? For who?
Of course there's free will. Just because Jesus knew what Peter was gonna do does not imply that Peter had no choice in what he was gonna do.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#534352 May 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>done? lol.
https://www.google.com/
That's all you did.
You're a moron.

The Vatican archives contain hundreds of thousands of documents about other religion's deities.

Go play with the other children now, grown ups are trying to have a real conversation here.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#534353 May 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Do you have a point other than that you long for the days when only Christians had a voice?

Do you have a point other than that you long for the days when only Christians had a voice? You don't like to hear from us, do you? And you are outraged that we are not enamored of your filthy little religion, and that we dare to say so. Get used to it....
Here For Now wrote:
DO YOU long for the day when ONLY Atheist HAVE A VOICE?(LOL)
You don’t like to hear from us do you? And you are outraged that we are not enamored by your filthy behavior and lack of morals, and that we say so. Get use to it.

See how that works?
No, I don't. I see what you did, but I don't see what you mean by "works." It's bizarre. When did atheists ever have the only voice? When did Christians finally get a voice? When did atheists begin acting with outrage that there was now a conversation instead of a monologue?

My comment reflect the histories of our two traditions. Yours reflects the emptiness of your thinking that you think that you can reflect any argument back however detached from reality it is and call it working.
Here For Now wrote:
You are a small percent that happens to have a big mouth.
Actually, my mouth and voice are just now approaching the size of the two millennia old Christian mouth. And that's what irks you, which was my point. You want us to be quiet.

No.

Like I said, if the voice of contradiction offends you, don't hang out where open discussion is permitted. Bible study and church teas would be a better venue for you to express yourself if all you want is to agreed with.

You don't respect my opinions. Too bad. The feeling is mutual:

"I don't respect your beliefs and I don't care if you're offended." – Pat Condell

Since: Mar 09

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#534354 May 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
It aint necessarily so wrote:
That's what I thought, you subliterate Dimwit.
<quoted text>
.. sorry for the delay sir. I was slaughtering cow all last night so I could make you fresh roast beef manwiches the rest of this month. Then I took a 10-mile run. I know how you hate female fat. Sorry for the delay. Here you go ..
AIN: Quit belittling the Dimwit or I'll take you over my knee.
<< adding Drano to orange juice >>
.. here RR, have some fresh-squeezed orange juice ..
<< RR gulps down juice >>
.. would you like another glass ??..
LOL

HL said

"AIN: Quit belittling the Dimwit or I'll take you over my knee."

Insult #1

Oh HL, you are not even trying to pretend any more

Did you just give up realizing what difference does it make at this point, people know you are a fraud?

You callingme Dimwit was very hurtful

When oh when will it stop HL?

Since: May 09

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#534355 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course there's free will. Just because Jesus knew what Peter was gonna do does not imply that Peter had no choice in what he was gonna do.
if Peter had chosen differently,then the Jesus! would have been a false Prophet, no?

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#534356 May 15, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, no, no.
It's the flying spaghetti monster!
Whatever.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534357 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:

No, there is no unbiased or non-special pleading evidence of existence for any of the human imagined deities - unless you happen to be aware of the type of evidence I mentioned above - then present it.
You are the one using special pleading. You are demanding special considerations for a particular premise of yours - that God doesn't exist.

You need that fallacy to make your argument work.

Why do you think your opinion should be granted special considerations or special treatment?
If someone were to assert unicorns existed, I'd respond much the same, you see, I'm an aunicornist, too.
Only atheists claim unicorns can exist. Talk to them.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534358 May 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

I'm not interested in patriotism. I was interested in people. And I'm an atheist. I don't ask any god to bless anyone. Plus, I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my car.
Minor surprised that you have interest in patriotism, you did move out of the country...

But I agree on not putting bumper stickers on your car - I don't either.
I was equally interested in the well-being of both the Americans and the Iraqis other than Hussein in Iraq. They were all pawns, and I expressed that often. My solution for both was to not invade Iraq, and once that had occurred, to end the war.
Simply being interested doesn't suggest you actually did anything about it, but you have no problem complaining about Christians not doing anything about it.

O_o
And that's the point. We should care about people. You got diverted from that when you chose patriotism/nationalism over humanism.
I did?! The patriotism was about feeling proud that our country and our troops were doing a good thing - liberating the Iraqi people and putting an end to the evil tyranny.

Had the American government decided to attack, say Mexico, a peaceful country and an ally, I would've had NO patriotism for that.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#534359 May 15, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a moron.
The Vatican archives contain hundreds of thousands of documents about other religion's deities.
Go play with the other children now, grown ups are trying to have a real conversation here.
You give new meaning to the word Stupid.

Find me forums on the internet like topix or on topix, where Christians are arguing with thousands of writings against the gods you mentioned, just like the atheists are writings thousands of writings against a God they supposedly believe is a myth. Not the website of the Vatican Church library filled with books and located in Rome, Italy.

You don't see the difference? or do I have to break it down further?

Since: Mar 09

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#534360 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Based upon(in my instance, anyway) the assertion by Christians that the deity intercedes in positive ways at times for individuals or groups(prayers answered,*miracles* etc...) similar to: "The Lord kept my car from sliding off the road, that's the only thing it could be! I FELT HIM WITH ME!"
But then, an absolutely devastating event occurs, whether it be a storm, or deranged despot slaughtering thousands or millions, earthquakes, mass starvation and so forth, and then it'll be said the deity doesn't intervene then, it's all about free will.
But, he just so happened to prevent "Betty Jo" from running off a cliff.
Last Thursday at 2:15 PM.
And she knows it.
It is always about free me is my belief

I do think there are times God may open an understanding or maybe something small like give me an urge to talk to a stranger where something will come from the interaction or pop a memory in my head when it is something very important.

Think of it this way, have you ever tried to remember something all day and suddenly you remember. Why at that very instant? I am not saying necessarily that is God, just making the point that there really isn't any way to figure out why suddenly at that moment the subconscious pushed the thought to the front of your conscious.

I think the example works as an analogy for how God works. It is little stuff that we can't explain and didn't change our free will or who we are as a person but that could end up making a big difference in our lives.

Like ever hear someone say when asked how they met their wife for example "ya know, I never hit on women in public I don't know, it isn't my style. But I was sitting there at the coffee shop and for whatever reason just really felt like I had to talk to her. We ended up getting another cup of coffee together and made a date and the rest is history"

Why when he normally would never have done what he did, did the one time he do it happen to be with his soul-mate? The odds of that must be astronomical

I think God works in subtle ways but it can have huge impacts on our lives

But for the most part, yes life just goes about being life.

I personally don't think God intervenes a lot. But there have been a few times in my life where I absolutely felt the presence of God. And nothing as mundane as finding car keys. But i know what you are saying

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#534361 May 15, 2013
Edit scarital

Sheesh

Meant to say

"It is always about free will to me"

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