Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#534313 May 15, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Smoooch!
Right back atcha gorgeous!

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534314 May 15, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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I would never impose on that thing you try to scare people with, I'd rather watch you be foolish with it.
You wouldn't know foolish until you go back and examine your life and read your own posts, and even then it'll likely take God to open your mind so that you may see yourself manifested.

hick-up

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Since: Feb 09

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#534315 May 15, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks
Can you talk to dead people?
Anybody can talk to dead people Mike.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#534316 May 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

Then who's doing the teaching when Christians say, "the bile teaches ..." or "Jesus' message is ..."
Your priests each have a different opinion, like the rest of you.
Tsk, tsk, tsk IANS. I've told you a thousand times that I don't have any priests... Can you at least try to understand that all Christians are not alike?
Jesus teaches nothing. It's the priests teaching according to the church's self-aggrandizing agenda.
What priests?

This is why you're a bigot. You generalize and stereotype ALL preachers and call them "priests". Do you not get that?? You sound like my bigoted grandpa, except he stereotyped all blacks, as if they're all the same....
But back to Jesus. What good ideas did Jesus teach?
Love your neighbor as you love yourself, for one.
What does he think that worth teaching? Any at all? The only worthwhile words I know attributed to him, such as love one another, were known long before his alleged birth.
If you listen to him further, you find out how perverted his version of love is. These are some of the things that "Jesus teaches" that might be original with him:
[1] Matt 5:28-32 - Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.
[2] Matt 6:19-34 - Jesus says don't save any money and don't plan ahead.“Take therefore no thought for tomorrow: for tomorrow shall take thought of the things for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”- Matthew 6:34
[3] Matt 8:32 - Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd of someone else's pigs.
[4] Matt 10:34 - Jesus says he brings not peace on earth but "a sword."
[5] Matt 19:12 - Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into heaven is to have himself castrated.
[6] Mark 11:13 - Jesus destroys a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season.
[7] Mark 14:4-7 - Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious ointment than to give to the poor, who will always be here.
[8] Mark 16:18 - Jesus says anyone who believes in him can play with venomous snakes or drink poison without harm.(This act has been often tried, with rather unsatisfactory results.)
[9] Luke 12:47-48 - Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.
[10] Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well.[“If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”- Jesus (Luke 14:26)]
[11] Luke 19:27 - In telling a parable, Jesus insinuates that anyone who denies his rulership must be killed.
[12] John 15:6 - Jesus says anyone who doesn't believe in him must be thrown away and burned.
[13] 2 John 1:10-11 - A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him "Godspeed" on parting.
[14] James 4:4 – Christians are not to be friendly with the world: "You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God."
This is what Jesus teaches. I don't see any love there. Surely we can come up with better ideas than these, and yes, we already have.
Your literal interpretations are amusing. It shows your biblical ignorance.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534317 May 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. your god has every right to demand that, if Le Le is a true Christian, she reveals her beliefs, right? After all, her very soul is at risk ..
.. so sayeth god ..
The more sensible question would be if she is a true Christian, then why would she hide it, but given her history on this thread the answer to that is very much obvious enough.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#534318 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:

So you can't pinpoint any particular churches and you know that some churches get political so you just generalize and stereotype all of them.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Say "wah-tuh" Helen. Wah-tuh. Wah-tuh.
< lightbulb illuminates above RRs head, then immediately flickers and goes dark >
Diversionary tactics not withstanding, you don't pinpoint any churches, you stereotype them all.

RiversideRedneck

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#534319 May 15, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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That would be the Greek version of your deity. Catholics use the Roman one 'Deus Pater'(AKA Jupiter). Only those speaking English call it God.
You Pagans are funny.
I DO tell some good jokes.

....cept when I do, I usually get called a racist or misogynist or sumpin.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#534320 May 15, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Absolutely Bro, the only time that the flying spaghetti monster enters my mind is when someone here mentions him, and I have no interest in trying to disprove his existence, like you said, there is only one God with all power.
Right. And you don't see Christians writing thousands of writings denying the existence of the Spaghetti Monster, because we know it does not exist.

So what is the then conclusion when atheists write thousands of writings on the internet denying the existence of the Christian God Yeshua? the only reason they would do that, is if they believed the Christian God exist.

Elementary really.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#534321 May 15, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I DO tell some good jokes.
....cept when I do, I usually get called a racist or misogynist or sumpin.
It is often difficult to tell when someone is joking or serious here.

Text is a poor medium for conveying intent and emotion.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#534322 May 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Right. And you don't see Christians writing thousands of writings denying the existence of the Spaghetti Monster, because we know it does not exist.....
So the thousands of Christian writings about the Greek, Roman, Norse, Teutonic, Celtic, Arabic and African deities is because those deities are real ?

ROFLMAO

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#534323 May 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Right. And you don't see Christians writing thousands of writings denying the existence of the Spaghetti Monster, because we know it does not exist.
So what is the then conclusion when atheists write thousands of writings on the internet denying the existence of the Christian God Yeshua? the only reason they would do that, is if they believed the Christian God exist.
Elementary really.
True, they are not contented or at peace with what they claim to disbelieve, they are struggling within themselves of the concept of God's existence and are not at peace.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#534324 May 15, 2013
hick-up wrote:
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Anybody can talk to dead people Mike.
.. that reminds me of my four-month arsenic attempt. When RR was finally on his deathbed, I decided to bake his favorite snack - soft dough chocolate-chip raisin cookies ..

.. he was upstairs, in bed, taking his final breaths when he smelled the cookies and somehow managed to get down to the kitchen ..

RR: OH !! sweetheart, you baked my favorite snack!

HL: Don't you dare touch the cookies!

RR: Why not?

HL: They're for your funeral tomorrow.

RR: Why are you so mean?

HL: We'll discuss that in a few days.

.. RR doesn't remember anything. Dr. IANS said he was delirious ..

<< HU laughs >>

<< HL reaches for another can of Drano & squeezes more oranges >>

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#534325 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You are missing the point
Obviously since you are an atheist i don't think you actually expect a deity to intervene
But you guys have been making criticisms based on if God did exist
Correct, in response to your position the deity does exist. So we explore that scenario.

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#534326 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
And if He did exist, you guys are claiming that Him not intervening makes him evil or proves He isn't a loving God
Based upon(in my instance, anyway) the assertion by Christians that the deity intercedes in positive ways at times for individuals or groups(prayers answered,*miracles* etc...) similar to: "The Lord kept my car from sliding off the road, that's the only thing it could be! I FELT HIM WITH ME!"

But then, an absolutely devastating event occurs, whether it be a storm, or deranged despot slaughtering thousands or millions, earthquakes, mass starvation and so forth, and then it'll be said the deity doesn't intervene then, it's all about free will.

But, he just so happened to prevent "Betty Jo" from running off a cliff.

Last Thursday at 2:15 PM.

And she knows it.

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#534327 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Yet you wouldn't actually want Him to intervene unless he only intervened under the scenarios you would personally approve of. Otherwise you would be against Him intervening
According to the myth, your deity made a regular habit of interceding, mandating what will be done or must be done, and other similar interventions. Once upon a time... that is...

I wouldn't think the deity should intervene at all. Ever. Why? Because the story claims to be all about faith. Yet, the OT/NT stories regularly mention how the Yahweh!, and the Jesus! did things, or caused things to happen that compelled people to believe. So, in the myth, would they have believed if they hadn't seen those things? But now Christians maintain "The deity can't prove anything to people, it would remove free will". So, no, I don't think the deity in the myth should intervene in anything.

That extends to the Jesus! death.

What "sacrifice" was made there?

Tell me. If you were offered the deal of dying, and horribly so, but it meant every person on the planet would live for eternity and happy, and you only had to be dead for a couple days, would you do it?

I would. It's a no brainer.

And yet, according to the myth, the deity intervened(the alleged resurrection), which really turns that "sacrifice" into a inconveniencifice, since, you know, the deity is a dEIty, carrying his Union deITy card which plainly states:

Card #1 _ Issue Date:N/A - Eternal _ Expiration Date: N/A - Eternal.
Occupation or Trade: Omnipotent Being/Master Creator.
Restrictions: N/A - Indestructible/Omniscient.
State: Myth.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#534328 May 15, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Correct, in response to your position the deity does exist. So we explore that scenario.
Lol..

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#534329 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You can't have it both ways
Right, to redirect your comment, that's right. You can't have it both ways. You can't be eternal, and die. Is free will by manipulation or sleight of hand still free will?
Lets stipulate for a moment that everything claimed about the Jesus! happened, and since the disciples witnessed essentially everything the Jesus! did, they believed because of that. Hold on, belief doesn't even enter into that scenario, but still...

Then later, one of the disciples told someone what they'd seen, that it was true as could be, and that the Jesus! even prophesied what that disciple would do one night... and the person listening said;

"Bull fuggin sh!t"

Is there still free will there? For who?
Skombolis wrote:
You wouldn't want God to intervene and force you to be what he wants you to be and strip you of choice and free-will.
Maybe you can ask Peter about that in the "heaven".

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#534330 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Yet you guys claim he should do that to others.
No, I think the point it's either all in, or all out. Am I invoking the excluded middle? You tell me. It's your myth, and as I pointed out above, it appears the deity intervenes for "Betty Jo" scenarios, but when it comes to 200,000 people dying in a Tsunami...

"SEE YA, WOULDN'T WANT TO BE YA!"

I can only utilize what Christians say occurs, regardless if the stories are anecdotal, as you said, "You guys have been making criticisms based on if God did exist".

Correct. You assert the deity does exist, so atheists are asking questions and posing situations based upon your assertions and the mythology contained in the bible concerning the deity.
Skombolis wrote:
There is a much bigger picture in play than stopping a particular sin or bad event from happening. Doing that would strip man of his very identity, his very freedom of choice, his very personality and thought process
* See: The Peter clause.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#534331 May 15, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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So the thousands of Christian writings about the Greek, Roman, Norse, Teutonic, Celtic, Arabic and African deities is because those deities are real ?
ROFLMAO
Show me thousands of writings on the internet by Christians denying the existence of those gods. As usual all you have your word, which means nothing.

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#534332 May 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Just like we accept with certain freedoms like the Bill of Rights and free speech it will mean there will also be things that happen that we don't like.
Sure, but you're talking about a man made document.

>We< are talking about your assertion the bible is a deity inspired book and world, perfect and without error or free will manipulation or influence...*these days*...(mostly).
Skombolis wrote:
But we readily take that trade-off because of how much we value freedom. No one issue is bigger than the Constitution and either we abide by it or we do not.
Again, see above.

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