Why Should Jesus Love Me?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534078 May 14, 2013
high end wrote:
<quoted text>
How can an atheist put a blame on something that they don't believe in?
You're gettin wacky, redneck.
I dunno... Ask them. Ask Catcher, he's the one saying God is a sunuvabitch because He didn't stop the holocaust.

Funny how he (and many others) do that but never thank God for good stuff....

I don't know, but I think it's because by blaming God for human atrocities (blaming Him in that He could've stopped them) they alleviate us humans from our evil deeds.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#534079 May 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good point Bro, that is the case with nearly all of them, why go to such lengths to try and disprove something that you don't believe in, anyone who is contented in their disbelief would not waste their time here, crazy.
Peace.
Negative ...
Some are here to knock down women ...
some to see how nasty they can be ...
some to simply argue, cause division, slander, mock, & ridicule...
some like to judgicon ...
But most are here to troll.

There are a few looking to exchange idea's, learn, grow, gain understanding, but they are the exception.

Since: Jan 11

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#534080 May 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
But if they're your beliefs, I'm sure they're not stupid...
Nice.
Is that what they talk about in your freethinking clubs?
I don't adopt beliefs when I know that they're stupid, and if I find out that some I have are stupid, I drop them.

Free thinking is not necessarily good thinking. I'm a rational skeptic. I'm not in a club though.

Since: Jan 11

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#534081 May 14, 2013
Homophobia in America is real ... and it's been perpetuated almost entirely by Christians.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Because Tide says so?
It's true because it represents reality.

But you should trust me to tell you if you haven't looked into it yourself. I'm a rational skeptic. Being correct is what I'm all about.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#534082 May 14, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>No you don't. If you believed God, you would know that you have been saved until the day of redemption...without condition, IF you have truly trusted the Lord.
I trust God above all else, but I know that we cannot be saved by living a life of sin by claiming him, in short..........willful and deliberate sinning, why you don't you finally turn this loose? everyone else has, and seek the correct spirit IN Christ for yourself.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534083 May 14, 2013
high end wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a public forum, yes?
That means that we all have free-will to post to each other...lol
But shouldn't God intervene on some of the more evil posts?

>:)

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#534084 May 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not that these atheists don't believe in deities, it's that they don't believe in God, the Christian God. That's why all their focus is on Him and no other god.
Their patron saint even had that stupid bus banner promotion, saying "There's probably no God"... Then on every TV spot, he's arguing about the Christian God SPECIFICALLY.
Imagine that.
Exactly. That why you don't see much sites with all this writings from atheists denying other gods, but you will find a lot of sites where atheists constantly argue against the Christian God. And that is a giant red clue to the Christian that atheists argue against the Christians God so much, because they desperately can't stand the thought that the Christian God exist. So the Christian won't deny the Christians God, but the atheist can't stand to think that the Christian believe in the Christian God.

And the more these atheists argue against the Christian God, the more the Christian know they obsessed with the Christian God and can't let go. So they Christian torture and torment them with the Christian God, and they can't let go of it because they can't stand to think the Christian believe in their God. LOL.

That what make them so hilarious. And they can't do anything about it, even though is mostly repeat stuff going on. Fascinating to watch them!

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#534085 May 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Anyone who names the name of Christ, and who are truly of Christ are not afraid to acknowledge him openly before others, not to say that one HAS to go about in public exclaiming that they are Christians, but if whenever it comes up by chance and someone asks them ( people can often sense that within you by simply being around you long enough ) then they will not under any circumstances deny or hide their walk with Christ.
.. you claim a higher spiritual truth, correct? Did you know a truly spiritual person places no demands or requirements on another person ??..

.. there's no need to coerce, intimidate or establish game rules ..

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#534086 May 14, 2013
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>
Negative ...
Some are here to knock down women ...
some to see how nasty they can be ...
some to simply argue, cause division, slander, mock, & ridicule...
some like to judgicon ...
But most are here to troll.
There are a few looking to exchange idea's, learn, grow, gain understanding, but they are the exception.
Then what I have said is NOT negative at all as you have simply pointed out the true reasons that they are here, and just to add.........many are also here to stroke their own ego's in their attempt to discredit the faith.

Since: Jan 11

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#534087 May 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Woah. Hey there... Stealing is natural, it happens in nature - you should accept it and not punish people for being natural....
Rolling a boulder uphill is natural too, but I don't like doing it.

"Natural" does not mean "good".
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's disgusting and ugly. Do what you want in your sex life, but don't expect everyone to agree with it or think its moral.
And don't get all pissy when you hear an objection to it.
Adopting and holding irrational beliefs is disgusting and ugly. Believe whatever you want, but don't get all pissy when you hear an objection to it.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534088 May 14, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't adopt beliefs when I know that they're stupid, and if I find out that some I have are stupid, I drop them.
Ah yes, but it isn't up to you to determine what is and what is not stupid. That is left for your opinions and your devices.

IOW, you don't get to tell me what's a stupid belief and I don't get to tell you, either.

I think it's stupid that people want to ban guns. You might disagree. That MUST be ok. Because we can never agree on everything.
Free thinking is not necessarily good thinking. I'm a rational skeptic. I'm not in a club though.
What's the (non-googled) difference between a rational skeptic and a freethinker? I want your honest opinion. Please.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534089 May 14, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
Homophobia in America is real ... and it's been perpetuated almost entirely by Christians.

[RR - Because Tide says so?]

It's true because it represents reality.
But you should trust me to tell you if you haven't looked into it yourself. I'm a rational skeptic. Being correct is what I'm all about.
Sooo..... I'm supposed to take your word on it because you think your always correct??

O_o

I'm sorry, rational skepticism seems to have distorted you a little. Come back down to earth, Tide and try to explain yourself a little rather than calling yourself a genius and me an idiot.

Since: Mar 09

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#534090 May 14, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
It leaves us with nasty.I also find it curious that you purport to be able to read your god's mind.
You dont even believe in him and you arepurporting to read his mind by judging his motives and concluding he is either dumb or nasty. And I never said I could read His mind. I asked you questions as to where is the line drawn and what actions should be taken when intervening to prevent things from happening and you didnt respond to any of them. Also you are just making silly statements now. You want to ask us questions which clearly is meant to elicit an opinion and then when we give it you claim we are purporting to read Gods mind? We could just say "Catcher this is stupid since we cant speak for God and you dont believe in Him anyway" or we can have adult exchanges where the obvious doesnt need to be stated. your choice I guess but not being able to answer a rebuttle seems like a childish reason to go the route you are going. Just saying

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534091 May 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. That why you don't see much sites with all this writings from atheists denying other gods, but you will find a lot of sites where atheists constantly argue against the Christian God. And that is a giant red clue to the Christian that atheists argue against the Christians God so much, because they desperately can't stand the thought that the Christian God exist. So the Christian won't deny the Christians God, but the atheist can't stand to think that the Christian believe in the Christian God.
And the more these atheists argue against the Christian God, the more the Christian know they obsessed with the Christian God and can't let go. So they Christian torture and torment them with the Christian God, and they can't let go of it because they can't stand to think the Christian believe in their God. LOL.
That what make them so hilarious. And they can't do anything about it, even though is mostly repeat stuff going on. Fascinating to watch them!
Ahahaha! You're so right.

Just for shits and giggles, google "Zeus isn't real", "Odin isn't real" and "God isn't real"....

You'll be astonished at the vast number of atheist website dedicated to proving God isn't real...

Hilarious.

I don't believe Zeus is real. You know how much time I've spent proving to people the he isn't?

Zero.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534092 May 14, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:

Rolling a boulder uphill is natural too, but I don't like doing it.
One. Just one example of rolling a boulder uphill that'd be "natural"....
"Natural" does not mean "good".
Tell that to gays (or yourself) that use 'natural' as the generic defense of homosexuality.
Adopting and holding irrational beliefs is disgusting and ugly.
So true. So why do you uphold irrational beliefs?
Believe whatever you want, but don't get all pissy when you hear an objection to it.
Got it, boss!

Since: Mar 09

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#534093 May 14, 2013
Mark....my responses were civil and congenial until you kept with the insults and calling me stupid and blind because I didnt agree with you. And you refuse to answer why you dont apply the same standard to country and yourself as you do to religion and Christians. Using a double standard is the definition of hypocritcal. And to deny your insults or that it was you who made the exchange confrontational is simply dishonest. Those are just facts. It is interesting how many ppl who want to bash the faith seem incapable of acknowledging let alone taking responsibility for their own behavior while crying foul and pointing the finger. If you want to address what I asked you about country let me know.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#534094 May 14, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahahaha! You're so right.
Just for shits and giggles, google "Zeus isn't real", "Odin isn't real" and "God isn't real"....
You'll be astonished at the vast number of atheist website dedicated to proving God isn't real...
Hilarious.
I don't believe Zeus is real. You know how much time I've spent proving to people the he isn't?
Zero.
Bingo! There is no way they would be here everyday arguing against the Christian God if they don't believe He exist. No one do that.
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#534095 May 14, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice post.
The Bible is riddled with instructions to fear God.
I guess they fear their god more than they love him. It would explain why it gets used so often and why Christians will often describe themselves as "God-fearing" .
Here's just a small sample of verses instructing believers to fear the god of the Bible..........
Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 25:17
Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Deuteronomy 6:13
For the Lord your God dried up the Jordan before you until you had crossed over. The Lord your God did to the Jordan just what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful and so that you might always fear the Lord your God
Joshua 4:23-24
Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.
Joshua 23:14
If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God--good! But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your fathers.
1 Samuel 12:14-15
But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you.
1 Samuel 12:24
For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.
1 Chronicles 16:25-26
So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies?
Nehemiah 5:9
Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.
Psalms 2:11
The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever. The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous.
Psalms 19:9
You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
Psalms 22:23
Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.
Psalms 25:12-14
How great is your goodness, which you have stored up for those who fear you, which you bestow in the sight of men on those who take refuge in you.
Psalms 31:19
Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the people of the world revere him. For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.
Psalms 33:8-9
" Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Very true Khatru,

The bible is a very intelligently written piece of text from the perspective of mass control. Its ethics is sub standard, but it knows how to play into the emotions of people to make it believed.

The Romans were geniuses in mob control. They had to be since a rich elite was controlling a mass society in which most people were slaves, and those were treated pretty bad. They had a great shock when the slaves revolted in the Spartacus revolt. Their answer to that is also Christianity.

It is was no longer enough to use physical control, they needed better mental control.

To control people mentally you have to instruments:
- reward
- fear

You can bribe them or scare them. But the most effective is the combination of both, the carrot and the stick. Promise them heaven and scare them with hell. Good cop, bad cop. That is why the Bible uses both a lot of fear and exalting empty promises. Psychopaths do this naturally.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#534096 May 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>God could have allowed the atomic bomb to be dropped on America a long time ago. You going to give God credit for not allowing that???
No.

I don't give credit to a god.

I don't assign blame to a god.

I don't believe in a god.

What I'm saying is that your attribution of "free will", given to us by a "good" god, is fatally flawed.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#534097 May 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Bingo! There is no way they would be here everyday arguing against the Christian God if they don't believe He exist. No one do that.
You know, for the life of me I can't find any public thread with SO many posts about the non-existence of leprechauns.

Imagine that.

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