“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#533683 May 13, 2013
Life is not all about comfort. Life is happy sad excited down rich poor frustrated energized focus carefree etc etc. Take the good with the bad. That is life.
[QUOTE who="AnnieJ"]<quo ted text>
Would this bring comfort to you if one of those girls was your daughter?
How about if your sister was raped and beaten repeatedly for 10 years?
Would that appease you...knowing that God allows evil and good to happen...just so that he can allow free will?
<quoted text>
Again...what if one of those 3 girls was your daughter...your sister...your best friend?
Would you see anything wrong with that? Try telling that to those 3 women plus the child...that you see nothing wrong with God allowing their captor to have his free will.
It's the cost of existing. My preferred way is how God has it now, everyone can choose evil, or they choose good. If one of those three girls was my daughter I would thank Jesus that she was found, go look after her, pray for the man that kidnapped her that his soul find Jesus, and hope they lock him away in prison for the next 100yrs.

What the alternative? be bitter? bitterness only robs the enjoyment of life. life too short for that.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#533684 May 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Tide....well just because we can do something doensnt make it natural imo. Is raping children natural?
It happens. It's natural.

That word does not mean "good". Unnatural human behavior would be like disassembling your body into trillions of tiny pieces and walking through walls. We've never seen that in nature.
Skombolis wrote:
I know the point you are making and why with this subject youj would be reluctant to give free range to the ability to declare things unnatural but lets just agree there are some limits.
I define natural, as far as behavior goes, as anything observed in nature.

There are other words we can use, like unusual or rare.

We would never call rare elephant behavior "unnatural". We observe it in nature. In truth, the behavior may not be as rare as we think, because we have not observed the behavior of all elephants for all time.
Skombolis wrote:
but we are talking extremes. And I will concede maybe in the grand scheme of things as gross as it is ppl defecating on each other isnt unnatural and just bizarre......now while I agree a lot of times there exists paralells and bigotry is just bigotry, this is a little diff. some ppl hate blacks simply for being born black. they think they are inferior. A person cant not be black and the bigot doesnt differentiate between the person and their skin. with homosexuality i believe it is very poss for people to only have issue with the actual sex act and dont judge the person as a whole. if any guy in my generation can say he never had to overcome the problems with the act before reaching acceptance i know i havent met him...cont
There are people who have the belief that dancing is immoral. Have you seen Footloose?

Whether it's a condemnation of homosexuals, homosexuality, or just same sex fcking, the belief itself is based in ignorance. It doesn't matter that it's part of a religious belief system. That's no good excuse.

Are you able to see how religion gets in the way of societal evolution? We can't get better as people when we are tied to stupid ancient beliefs written down by people that didn't know any better.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#533685 May 13, 2013
Agree with your first two sentence. But anyone who is a Jesus Follower, has to follow their own path. Really a waste of time someone following Jesus to please someone. Someone should be a Jesus Follower, because they believe Jesus is path to YHWH God. No one can follow all the laws of the bible. That is the whole point of the New Testament. Grace, not Law.
[QUOTE who="Mark"]<quote d text>
Precisely, I am not saying my experience is of any value of anyone else. In fact any wise man that wants people to follow his footsteps is a fake. Real wise men will always invite people to find their own path.
Holy books can be inspiring, but when they are made into instructions, even laws from God, it is the work of evil men. There are some good passages in the bible as they plundered older religions, but many were perverted.
<quoted text>
Now be honest, tell me, did you meet Jesus Christ? How did he introduce himself? Hi there, I am Jesus, son of Josef and Maria, also known as the anointed one. And how did he convince you he was Jesus Christ. Did he tell you about his crucifixion, did he show the holes in his hands? I am really curious how he convinced you of his identity and of the truth of the Bible.
See, I do not say there is no God, or that Christians can not have spiritual experiences as people have in any other religion. They have far less, as they are rationalizing book worms, but it remains possible. But that does not in any way prove the bible is true or "Jesus Christ" is what they are experiencing. They only label it that way because they are brainwashed that there is nothing else.
In fact to feel spiritual peace there is no need to believe in any idea at all, not God, not anything. My dog is fine example of that, but also many atheists that live righteous lives. Many Buddhists do not believe in God and experience and show far more harmony than Christians. Christian success stories are mostly advertising to get people to take an expensive afterlife insurance. Christianity is mostly window dressing. Fake smiles, fake happiness, fake values. But real money to pay.
My spiritual experiences are not for here. My most vivid spiritual experiences by God, some of my closest family, some of them Christians, them not even know. Only a hand full of very close relatives know, so surely I not going to reveal them here.

But even me taking out those experiences, all I can say is it's a daily pervasive presence. That how I know Jesus Christ through the Spirit of God, is very alive.

As you say though, my experience with God, is irrelevant to everyone else, except me. And it should be that way, for everybody. No one should be depending on another experience to cause them to believe.

Now I not defending Christianity. Christianity is a religion where certain members commit a lot of atrocities through history. My focus is on Jesus Christ. It no bother me to be called a Christian, but a lot of what you say about Christianity true.

I know many buddhists and hindus that are good and caring people and at harmony as you say. But good and caring, by our standards. Guess what writer, God no care about our standards. It's only His standards that matter.

And "peace" can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. A person can be at peace with a bank account with millions. a person family and friends might give them assurance and peace. And trusting in Jesus Christ, gives a different kind of peace. So it all depends on what you mean by [peace].

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#533686 May 13, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, eternal life is all that we are working for with our hopes invested IN Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:19
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
Revelation 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

I cannot identify with working 'for' eternal life... not even with hope... but only working for my Father in heaven... here on earth.
Blessings and Peace >>>Lawest<<<
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> >>>>>Irrira< <<<<
Having hope in THIS life only, merely means that our only chance for salvation is in this life only because when we enter the judgement, there will be no more opportunity to repent and take Christ unto ourselves, because it will be too late at that point, as the Bible says........let him who have an ear.
"working" for salvation also means living a Godly life before our Lord here on earth that we may be counted worthy to enter therein into the kingdom.
John 9:13
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night comes, when no man can work.
Matthew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
My friend, >>>Lawest<<< I do not debate salvation, but know it... and what I share is because I do. Otherwise there would be no meaning behind working for my my Father in heaven, who has never failed me... even if sharing in WSJLM. Not living in this world as many do, but in the spirit of his kingdom within, there is no fear of who is false, or what to believe. It is written...“8 “The Lord is the one who goes ahead of you; He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed.” Deuteronomy 31

Perhaps someone reading posts sometimes will understand what is being said... and benefit. Many need encouragement at this point in time at hand...

I have not been in for 3-4 days... so whatever your week-end brought your way I trust it was fruitful and peace filled.
Blessings and Love always.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#533687 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>~~grin~~...really?
You can't see in that verse, that God is really saying nothing existed before God?
See if this verse helps you any better;
Rev22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Everything started with God. This is one area in [creation] where even the Hindus get it right when they say 'God is everything, everything is God’
Seems to me that your god doesn't understand the definition of "before" and "after".

By using this words he is indicating a period of time that existed before him and a period of time that will exist after him.

In other words, he's not eternal.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#533688 May 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Tide...and it is hard for people to control what offends them.
I agree. We're all enculturated. Most of that can be overcome though.
Skombolis wrote:
But I agree socialization plays a big role too. Growing up being gay as a gay was about the worst thing someone could be. and i didnt particularly care if they were born that way or not. any more than i cared if a pedophile was born that way. it was just disgusting to me. As i got older and met gay people and became aware of the pain being caused to them by the hate shown to them for simply being who they are is when my conscience could no longer allow me to keep these preconceived notions. I cant help that the act itself still makes me very uncomfortable to say the least. But they are human beings, same as you or I. And in a lot of cases depending on the individual; better human beings than some. And thats because who someone is attracted to has nothing to do with their moral center to me. Anyway my point is what about the ppll who just cant help being weirded out? They dont want to be maybe but its just too much for how they were raised? cont..
If someone finds themselves in a position of wanting to change their cultural conditioning, that's a pretty easy fix. All you really need to do is go out and talk to some gay people. I think that only a minimal amount of desire to change and effort will get you to the point where you can tolerate talking to gay people. Then the experience of talking to them should throw enough real personal evidence against your conditioning to override it.

The problem is when the conditioning that makes a person homophobic is tied to something else, like religious beliefs. Then you might need help. Some Christians are so heavily conditioned when they are young that they cannot change their beliefs later, without that help.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#533689 May 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
God gave man free will after man (Adam and Eve) chose to disobey God and do as they please. God booted them out of Paradise (the garden) and set them on their way to do as their free will led them to do.
Genesis 3:23-24.
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
I said there is nothing in the bible that says free will came from God. You then go on and say that God gave man free will.

Please show me where in the bible it says this.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#533690 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>My understanding of pi is that the definition did not come about until the 16th or 17th century AD. So I not know what that have to with the bible that some parts were written as early as 1500BC. But I will pay along. it's value is approximately 3.14159
Yes, it's an irrational number.

Whoever wrote the Ahmes Papyrus, around 1650 BCE, used an approximation for Pi that was around 256/81, or about 3.16.

Archimedes (287-212 BCE) calculated Pi to be a number between 223/71 and 22/7, or 3.1408 and 3.1429

Given the alleged perfection of the bible you'd have thought that the god of the bible would have done better than man.

Except, he doesn't. Check the bible and you'll see that the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is described as being exactly three.

Do you agree that the bible is correct on this?

Since: Mar 09

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#533691 May 13, 2013
tide.....personally I believe religion has very little to do with why people are against homosexuality. I don,t deny some people use religion as a bully pulpit or to further bigotry but imo its not the cause or creating something new. I have never met a single person who was fine with it until religion told them otherwise or didnt form theor opinions from tv and the playgrounds well before religion influenced them. Listen I am not going to pretend the church has handled the issue well across the board and in a lot of cases probably fall somewhere between not helping and making things worse. And that is wrong because even by its own teachings, a sin is a sin is a sin and no sin or sinner is any better or worse than anyone else. it needs to not be si8ngled out as doing that to any other sinner for their sin would never be tolerated. And also the Bible says God is to judge those outside the faith and we are to love everyone. Honestly if we just stuck to the rules it really wouldnt be an issue. id like cont...

Since: Mar 09

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#533692 May 13, 2013
Tide....id like to see us "Christians" get better at simply sticking to what we have been taught by Christ and not using faith as an avenue to push personal agendas. there is always room for improvement (T) PEACE

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#533693 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>but is only 4 words that matter,'Believe and follow Yeshua'. I no care how much different versions of the bible or denominations spinoffs or if sprinkle baptize or dunk or whatever.
God not only did [not] make it confusing, God make it extraordinarily simple.
Yeshua.
Your "confusion" claim, is only one of your many memorized topix talking points excuses, for your unbelief. Many unbelievers use it. is nothing new.
Really?

Why are you running away from my other posts?

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#533694 May 13, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Belief is for people too lazy to think for themselves
It that enough?
There are many Gods. How do you know? Through spirituality. By the way there are many classes of Gods, from purely spiritual ones to ones in material bodies. Gods are simply other classes of beings.
Before Christianity killed spirituality and replaced it by rationalized book belief people could easily sense these spiritual beings. But they were barred from even talking about that. The burning stakes were not inviting.
Christianity's best argument has always been fear
Nice post.

The Bible is riddled with instructions to fear God.

I guess they fear their god more than they love him. It would explain why it gets used so often and why Christians will often describe themselves as "God-fearing" .

Here's just a small sample of verses instructing believers to fear the god of the Bible..........

Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 25:17

Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name.
Deuteronomy 6:13

For the Lord your God dried up the Jordan before you until you had crossed over. The Lord your God did to the Jordan just what he had done to the Red Sea when he dried it up before us until we had crossed over. He did this so that all the peoples of the earth might know that the hand of the Lord is powerful and so that you might always fear the Lord your God
Joshua 4:23-24

Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord.
Joshua 23:14

If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God--good! But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your fathers.
1 Samuel 12:14-15

But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you.
1 Samuel 12:24

For great is the Lord and most worthy of praise; he is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols, but the Lord made the heavens.
1 Chronicles 16:25-26

So I continued, "What you are doing is not right. Shouldn't you walk in the fear of our God to avoid the reproach of our Gentile enemies?
Nehemiah 5:9

Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.
Psalms 2:11

The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever. The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous.
Psalms 19:9

You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
Psalms 22:23

Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? He will instruct him in the way chosen for him. He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.
Psalms 25:12-14

How great is your goodness, which you have stored up for those who fear you, which you bestow in the sight of men on those who take refuge in you.
Psalms 31:19

Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the people of the world revere him. For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.
Psalms 33:8-9

" Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#533695 May 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Tide2...does that make them evil? I dont think so. What about the people who honestly dont look at someon e gay as any less of a human but think the act is wrong just like they may feel stealing is wrong or anything else against their personal moral code?
I don't use the word evil that much.

It's hard to form a judgement for all people who think that gay sex acts are immoral. I don't know why they all believe it.

The belief itself is stupid.

The belief that stealing is immoral is not stupid. Agree or disagree, one can understand the reason for the belief.

What could be considered immoral about two women licking each other's boxes?
Skombolis wrote:
Does that make them bigots?
We can dispense with that word and just look at their behavior to see if it contributes to harm. If it does, the behavior is unethical. Believing something in private does not necessarily cause any harm to others. Expressing a belief affects other people. Expressing a belief that homosexuality is immoral is known to cause harm. Expressing similar beliefs whether they are slightly more or less offensive is also contributing, since the problem is already so large.
Skombolis wrote:
I dont think so. To me, bigotry or racism first and foremost is about hate and dehumanization. Some people arent comfortable with it and think its wrong. That doesnt make them bad people, its just how they honestly feel. as long as they respect equality and love for everyone we cant demand everyone feels how we do. jmo (T) PEACE
I hope you can agree to this.

Stupid ideas do not hold up to intense scrutiny. Good ideas do.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#533696 May 13, 2013
Lacez wrote:
I've been told you [the Dimwit] like to twist things around and lie about what you and others have said. I see that the person who warned me was right. I never said anyone "never had anything worthwhile to say." I said that his comment to mine was irrelevant to the topic that was being discussed.
You've hit the nail on the head. The Dimwit is an insufferable liar that will distort your words, then call you the liar. And don't bother asking him for evidence when he insists that you said this or that. The Dimwit is a faith based thinker and doesn't do evidence.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#533697 May 13, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I said there is nothing in the bible that says free will came from God. You then go on and say that God gave man free will.
Please show me where in the bible it says this.
G/E K, I know that your query was directed to Apples, but the Bible tells us many things without necessarily saying things in the direct words that many challenge it to say, example in the scriptures below.......

Acts 2:37-41
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Notice the last verse said.........they that gladly received his word were baptized.........this implies that there were some that did NOT received the word preached that day and obviously rejected it, and this was an act of their freewill to do just that, as was the reverse to obey what they heard.

Yes..........people do have freewill to except or reject the Word of God, your final souls destination is in YOUR hands and nobody else's.

Since: Mar 09

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#533698 May 13, 2013
Tide....I agree that life experience generally trumps conditioning. We normally find out people for the most part are just people. Same wants and loves and concerns.. Yes there are good and bad people in the world but that is defined by their actions and not how they were born. And even if it was a choice, people rarely fit a demonized profile. Meeting people who were gay was what changed my mind. i also grew up in a well-to-do and unfortunately pretty racist area. because my folks werent racist and i made black friends as early as pre-gradeschool i never had to overcome that. Then again, at the same time one bad experience can be all it takes for someone looking to validate their feelings. so i agree someone has to go into it with at least the desire to be somewhat open-minded to see if what we think matches up with reality. Change and especially change for the better is not easy but it certainly is possible. (T) PEACE

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#533699 May 13, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
<quoted text>
Revelation 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
I cannot identify with working 'for' eternal life... not even with hope... but only working for my Father in heaven... here on earth.
Blessings and Peace >>>Lawest<<<
<quoted text>
My friend, >>>Lawest<<< I do not debate salvation, but know it... and what I share is because I do. Otherwise there would be no meaning behind working for my my Father in heaven, who has never failed me... even if sharing in WSJLM. Not living in this world as many do, but in the spirit of his kingdom within, there is no fear of who is false, or what to believe. It is written...“8 “The Lord is the one who goes ahead of you; He will be with you. He will not fail you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed.” Deuteronomy 31
Perhaps someone reading posts sometimes will understand what is being said... and benefit. Many need encouragement at this point in time at hand...
I have not been in for 3-4 days... so whatever your week-end brought your way I trust it was fruitful and peace filled.
Blessings and Love always.
Yes I've noticed your absence over the last few days my friend, you have been missed, welcome back.(C:

Since: Mar 10

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#533700 May 13, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Steve...when I signed in here today I was about 2000 posts behind...after reading backwards a few pages...decided maybe I don't want to read further.
This post caught my attention...
Can you direct me back to where LeLe admits she is not a Christian and never has been? I am curious to read it.
Annie, I have never said such a thing.

I do not identify myself w the religious right or the
Lawlest Clearwater and Q's of the world.

I speak out against them and in doing so, I (have) become satan's daughter, a liar, a hypocrite, "cindy", a fake and of course the
sharpest insult to date- I am not a Christian..

Skom has the right to think of me as all of the above..
It truly matters not one bit to me.

Since: Mar 09

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#533701 May 13, 2013
Tide...i agree that the more intense the scrutinty, the more the truth of a situation will be seen. I dont think its stupid that some people are uncomfortable with homosexuality, I just think if they met some decent human beings who happen to be gay they might see things differently as far as the persons themselves. Now as for thinking the act is wrong, there are next to zero univeral moral absolutes and people do have a right to feel how they do and as long as their beliefs dont cause harm to others than to each their own

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#533702 May 13, 2013
bmz wrote:
Greetings to G_O_D and BT42
Looking at the topic of this thread, I can safely say that Jesus did not love his own self, so why would he love others?
Best wishes
BMZ
Hello BMZ!
Long time no see.
Hope you are well...

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