Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#533549 May 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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The question to you perhaps and all due respect but society for the most part doesn't care if you question on believe it
90% plus of society believes in a diety. 75% of the U.S. claims Christianity.
The tenets of Christianity under the NT (which is followed today) can be summed up in two general commands
1) Love God and love your neighbor as yourself
2) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
It is a religion based on love and forgiveness that teaches leave the judging to God
Whether or not everyone follows that or fails to live up to that may be a reflection of human nature or even of individuals but certainly the belief system is not at fault
What Christians believe about "God" is what they are made to believe. It is make-belief. It is not based on spiritual self-enquiry. Because Christianity does not allow room for that, which is a crime in itself.

I have nothing against the worship of Deities. It becomes problematic when this deity is forced upon peoples at the point of a sword and by constant brainwashing called conversion.

It becomes even more problematic as this deity is not simply a force of Nature, but a moral preacher with a flawed ethics that is meant to support a slave society. Do you even realize that Christians have killed a 250 million people in the name of their lord? That they tortured numerous people to enforce their ideas?

What I think is most detrimental about Christianity is that it actually diminishes peoples happiness in stead of promoting it. It paints a gloomy picture of the world, a dark world in which Jesus is the only glimmer of light, called hope. Not even hope for a happy life on earth, but only in the afterlife. Is is thoroughly negative, but presented as a happy tiding for the desperate.

I want no hope for happiness in another life, I want happiness in this life! And the all other religions offer that, only Christianity denies that. Or as Jesus says: in this world there is only tribulation.

Now Jesus finest words: 1) Love God and love your neighbor as yourself
2) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

These are no invention of Jesus at all but rather basic rules of ethics in all religions. It is in fact a shameless copy of the words of Rabbi Hillel the Elder (110BCE-10CE). Who summarized the Tora in the same way when asked if he could recite the whole Tora. He said: I can do that standing on one leg. When he was challenged, he used these words. "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn"

It is basic ethics not even higher ethics. And it is spoiled by the rest of what Jesus says. For in the remainder it becomes clear that Jesus does not consider those who reject him "neighbours", but puts them on the shooting list.(No they don't tell the common people that, only their murderous "elite")

Christianity is ethically speaking a low grade religion. But because it is spread by people who are totally self-convinced and brainwashed into thinking they speak Gods word, even with Gods spirit in, them there is no room for self-inquiry.

We have seen the power of book indoctrination recently. Hitler used "Mein Kampf", Mao his "Red Book". It creates totally convinced people prepared to kill the enemies of the ideology in huge numbers. That is what Christianity is above all, a brainwash in an ideology. It does not need Jesus to be God, but it makes it even more powerful to have Divine legitimation. Christianity is the mother of all dehumanizing ideologies.

People cling to it, because they are programmed to it from day one. That is what makes it such an evil invention. It has nothing to do with the Divine or any God. It is a Roman instrument of mob control and therefore the favourite ideology of western empires ever since.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#533550 May 13, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
"God is not the author of confusion"
That's what the man said.
How come his followers are about as confused as it's possible to get?
I've lost count of how many different bibles there are now.
Then we have what are quite possibly thousands of different Christian denominations, sects and cults. All claiming to be Christians and all sure that their particular take on the bible is the true and proper one.
but is only 4 words that matter,'Believe and follow Yeshua'. I no care how much different versions of the bible or denominations spinoffs or if sprinkle baptize or dunk or whatever.

God not only did [not] make it confusing, God make it extraordinarily simple.

Yeshua.

Your "confusion" claim, is only one of your many memorized topix talking points excuses, for your unbelief. Many unbelievers use it. is nothing new.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#533551 May 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

The American church is highly politicized.
Which ones?

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#533553 May 13, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
your cheap uneducated biblicaly crap is boring,and making no sense
Romans produced pseud christians-murders,killers adulters, huren,pagans and war mongers conquring qhole world
human never is able to produce true believer chriastina you simple little idiot.
only Gods Grace can do this,
and in the Gods Eyes is not important huge lireraly number,only few diamonds hig quality of few chosen during 2000 years of devil spririt waging war with churches members attempting to eliminate true Gods few chosen ones
Seniore
pray for understanding and Read Bible,instead LIES everyday on those threads
??? ah, yes writer, sure, me think ???
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#533554 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>iyai!!. the one thing I notice with you unbelievers, you all don't have the ability to sum up your reasons for unbelief in few words oy!. it's like the more you write, the less you believe LOL!
If a God does not break the laws of nature, how can you be sure they are a God??
No true love in Jesus? so you believe Jesus hate you?
Thew romans tired to kill all Christians remember? but that only multiplied them.
Belief is for people too lazy to think for themselves

It that enough?

There are many Gods. How do you know? Through spirituality. By the way there are many classes of Gods, from purely spiritual ones to ones in material bodies. Gods are simply other classes of beings.

Before Christianity killed spirituality and replaced it by rationalized book belief people could easily sense these spiritual beings. But they were barred from even talking about that. The burning stakes were not inviting.

Christianity's best argument has always been fear

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#533555 May 13, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Today's Prayer
Dear Lord, It's time for spring cleaning! I want to start fresh with a clean mind and a clean house. Please forgive me where I have failed. Help me to live a holy life, acceptable to you and a witness to my world. Help me as I clean my physical house, also, to know what to do with all the things I do not need. Show me what person or what service organization could benefit from those things. And Lord, open my eyes that I may see, also, what I may do to "spruce up" my church this spring. Is there something I can clean, fix or decorate? Is there a special project that I should donate my time or money to? I am open...and I am listening. Guide me, please. In Jesus' name I pray, amen.
Prime time with God
Amen :)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#533556 May 13, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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There was a lot of food, great food even (grandmas know best).
How did your day go?
It was a very good day ~ my daughter and I spent about 8 hours driving to and from the town where I was born, and where my Mother, Stepfather, Grandfather and Sister are buried. I never met my Grandfather or Sister, but still take much pleasure from putting flowers on their graves :)

I have also had messages from the other side from both of them (and also my Stepfather) and although I have always believed in our afterlife, they have just added further confirmation.

Glad you enjoyed your day, I am sure your Grandma did too!!

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#533557 May 13, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
<quoted text>
Theory. Jesus is my Priest. I don't go to church. I am The Church. Might I suggest a nap. Perhaps when you wake up your mind will be fresh. And you will be better able disguise your attempt at selling theory as facts.
Have a good day :)
that's a nice way of putting it Bernie :)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#533558 May 13, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
Good Morning Everyone :)
Good morning Bernie :)

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#533559 May 13, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>

He's just another warped mind to ignore.
Giving up already? I dont blame you, he was running circles around you..........

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#533560 May 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
I'll bet that they are mostly or all Christians, too.
I think you just lost your bet

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#533561 May 13, 2013
So your logic then is you're not lazy, because you don't believe anything?
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Belief is for people too lazy to think for themselves
It that enough?
There are many Gods. How do you know? Through spirituality. By the way there are many classes of Gods, from purely spiritual ones to ones in material bodies. Gods are simply other classes of beings.
Before Christianity killed spirituality and replaced it by rationalized book belief people could easily sense these spiritual beings. But they were barred from even talking about that. The burning stakes were not inviting.
Christianity's best argument has always been fear
is it Christianity you have a problem with? or is it with Jesus Christ?

Since: Jul 10

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#533562 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>all that not matter. because when God judge a soul it won't matter about another person experience or belief. only thing God care about is your soul and what you allow your body and mind to do while the soul was living in it on earth.
Another person belief or experience with God, won't matter to God when it come to you. Your soul get judged independent of anyone's else belief or experience with God. So you can base your belief on someone else if you want to, you get judged by yourself.
If God exists, and IF that god is anything like men wrote about in the Bible, which you have not yet given us any reason to think is true.

Because you think God exists, or you believe God exists, or you even "know" God exists, does not mean that God exists.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#533564 May 13, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>**PORTIONS SNIPPED**
What Christians believe about "God" is what they are made to believe. It is make-belief. It is not based on spiritual self-enquiry.
.. first, thanks for being here, please don't leave ..

.. it's easy to join with other people on your spiritual journey, walk a familiar path, discovery the same destination. A wise teacher allows the student to explore, trail blaze, discover self ..
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>It becomes even more problematic as this deity is not simply a force of Nature, but a moral preacher with a flawed ethics that is meant to support a slave society.
.. most spiritual guides are cut from the same faded fabric; they have nothing to offer and have become their own deity ..
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>What I think is most detrimental about Christianity is that it actually diminishes peoples happiness in stead of promoting it. It paints a gloomy picture of the world, a dark world in which Jesus is the only glimmer of light, called hope. Not even hope for a happy life on earth, but only in the afterlife. Is is thoroughly negative, but presented as a happy tiding for the desperate.
.. if you stay on this thread long enough, you'll discover the "Dark world of Christianity" that you suggest. Some believers look forward to the rapture, the end of the world, the return of Jesus in flowing gowns and chariots of gold ..

.. it's both desperate, dismal and depressing. After six months on this thread, I mostly goof on people or irritate believers with vague sexual innuendos about scarves (don't worry, you'll find out). You, my friend, are a welcome addition, a breath of fresh air ..
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>Christianity is ethically speaking a low grade religion. But because it is spread by people who are totally self-convinced and brainwashed into thinking they speak Gods word, even with Gods spirit in, them there is no room for self-inquiry.
.. "God said it, I believe it and that settles it." How dare anyone question the validity of that statement? You did. By providing evidence, we can now change the sentence to read, "The Romans said it, you believe it and that doesn't settles it." Thanks ..

.. there's a better way ..

Since: Oct 10

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#533565 May 13, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning Bernie :)
Good Morning Serah :) May your day be blessed :)

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#533567 May 13, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
Belief is for people too lazy to think for themselves
It that enough?
There are many Gods. How do you know? Through spirituality. By the way there are many classes of Gods, from purely spiritual ones to ones in material bodies. Gods are simply other classes of beings.
Before Christianity killed spirituality and replaced it by rationalized book belief people could easily sense these spiritual beings. But they were barred from even talking about that. The burning stakes were not inviting.
Christianity's best argument has always been fear
.. fear is still Christianity's best argument. Many Christians on this thread fear God. I could never understand that ..
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#533568 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
So your logic then is you're not lazy, because you don't believe anything?<quoted text>is it Christianity you have a problem with? or is it with Jesus Christ?
Belief is accepting things on authority.

I do not believe anything. that does not mean I am not prepared to accept that Earth revolves around the Moon until I have been able to see that for my self. But I will always distinguish that from real personal experience.

Spiritual people can experience Gods and other spiritual beings, that is true experience and not belief (as long as you are not giving special meaning to that). Even the Divine can be experienced directly by the lucky ones. But there is no reason to truly believe that until you have experienced that. True experience gives knowledge, not belief.

I have prayed to Jesus Christ a lot and never even experienced a thing. I can not say anything definite about Jesus as a man, but as a God he sucks. Christ or Chrestos comes from gnostic belief based on the ideas of Plato about a perfect God. It is based on his theory that this world consists of bad copies of perfect forms in a higher roam. Lots of these ideas were mixed into Christianity.

But they are not based on spirituality either. You can pray to Christ until you die and feel nothing. It is just a theoretical God of Plato.

This changes when people do stupid things like inviting the spirit of Christ. What actually happens is that often unclean spirits enter them, like demons. That is why so many Christians started to murder like madman. They think they are possessed by Jesus Christ, but do not have a clue who is really controlling them. It is a very dangerous practice that was revived in the charismatic churches to make Jesus tangible. See an example here:


Serous religions have warned against inviting any spirits. Good spirits will generally refuse that, and evil spirits you do not want. To invite the Divine is total nonsense since all creatures already carry his spirit. It is also stupid to think that by calling Jesus name and leaving the door wide open, only Jesus could enter. But since Christians lack any deeper spiritual knowledge they do these stupid things. And many of their pastors are demonic themselves and like to control their flock this way. Christianity is mass control and attracts power hungry leaders.

Spiritual people will sense these pastors are rotten from a mile but Christians let themselves be driven like cattle into huge barns and do not even wonder if they are called "flock" and "sheep". That is why the German Christian herd so easily followed their pastor, fuhrer, leader, Adolf Hitler, who was also a devout Christian churchgoer, paying his church tax like an upstanding Christian, but also a real evil creature.

Christians have often been ruled by such evil people, no wonder, they were so from the moment it became the Roman state religion. It was constructed by these evil people to do exactly that.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#533569 May 13, 2013
boooots wrote:
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If God exists, and IF that god is anything like men wrote about in the Bible, which you have not yet given us any reason to think is true.
Because you think God exists, or you believe God exists, or you even "know" God exists, does not mean that God exists.
But each person must be accountable for their soul. So if they decide to live, as if there is no God, then they/you, are solely and lonely responsible for that decision. You won't be able to say because no one prove God to you, is not your fault, and you're without excuse.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#533571 May 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>not my job to prove God to you.[QUOTE]all you have is faith too.
And so your claims are invalid.
I suppose you also think the Earth is only 6'000 years old.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#533572 May 13, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>Ah. there you are.

Remember when you said that the Bible was error free?

I replied with this...

Khatru wrote, "
Ok, let's try this again. Step-by-step.......

Fact: You say that we will be judged by our faith. Right?
"

Anyone would think you're running away.
I'd like to take this chance to bring up the bible's huge, off-the-charts error in the estimation of the world's age.

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