“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#533293 May 12, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
Obviously you have thought of those questions rather deeply because you're on a philosophical and religious billboard discussing those issues.
Yeah, and I'm good. Those questions aren't an issue for myself. I understand they are most likely a daily concern for yourself.
trifecta1 wrote:
And you would know secular science does not support your beliefs and actually secular science is conceding what they thought they knew about where planets and humans come from there are more questions than answers.
You still have not answered my question(S). What are my beliefs? How is it that you know what I believe?

Must I believe what you declare I do, since I don't believe as you do?
trifecta1 wrote:
So it is not important whether you think my beliefs carry weight or not.
True. Unless your beliefs somehow interfere with the exercise of my freedom.

Then it matters.
trifecta1 wrote:
It's irrelevant what you think about my beliefs. It's your denial of your beliefs that is the issue.
Again, you're the one attempting to declare what it is I believe(poof?, nothing?, air? what do you mean by that?).

Then you say I deny my beliefs if I don't agree with what you have declared my beliefs are.
trifecta1 wrote:
I don't deny my beliefs, you deny yours. You're lying to yourself. And I'm quite happy to throw that lie in your face.
You're throwing nothing.

That is the foundation of your creation myth.

Nothing.
Mark

Hedel, Netherlands

#533294 May 12, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
it's [your job to prove God to yourself. And it quite easy. It's either 1. God created. or 2. Random accidental chaotic forces created air planets people. Those are the only two options you have.
The problem with Christianity is it creates a binary thinking in wichh there are two options.

Either "our God" or no God. So we have to choose between ridiculous ideas of a so-called forgiving God that can forgive those that reject him, a "humane" God that tortures people for all eternity. A God that rises from the dead, even though dead is permanent by definition.

Christianity gives us only two choices. Either rape rational thought or be an enemy of God.

Well there is a third option: Christianity is bull

There are more than two options. For instance Chaos is God. I know this concept does not fit in the narrow Christian mind, but then the understanding of Christians can hardly be taken as measurement.

The idea that God has a plan is philosophically unsound. It would mean God has wants. How can God have wants if he can fulfil any want instantaneously? Than he would not be imperfect. If he is an imperfect being, he can not be God etc.

The only reason God is given a will ans plan is so rulers can make their people believe they have to follow this plan, which means do what he want. Be submissive and make war on his enemies in the name of God.

The Romans were superb politicians. They knew how to manipulate the masses. They had to, it was a slave society in which the rich families owned everything. They needed this psychological tool to keep all these exploited people in check. They will revolt to humans, so let God keep them subdued. Let God tell them they are sheep that must listen to their pastors.

And people like you, still say beeeeeeeeeh

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#533295 May 12, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>ADD! I wish i had you skillset --- reasoning and intellect...but i lack. I do think you do a disservice by not educating American populace it. So?
Thanks once again.

As for educating people, I tried my level best my last many years in the States, and even for a time after I left. My Topix posting was mostly political in those days.

Here are several political posts that you might find interesting or helpful. I'd have PM'ed them to you,but you don't have a permanent account. Feel free to use whatever parts of them that you can.

The simple fact is that I don't really want to do that any more. I find it all so dismal and hopeless. I really don't like to revisit these issues much, although I do from time to time, as I am now.

My advice? Either accept the new reality, or move on. I don't think I can help Americans more than I can by saying that.

The American Christian here - mostly Conservatives - are going to hate me even more if they look at this stuff.

I'd be interested in your feedback concerning any of these.

[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
[2] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[2] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[4] http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TSQ9LF...
[5] http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TSQ9LF...
[6] http://www.topix.com/forum/military/army/TL1L...
[7] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[8] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[9] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... and the next post
[10] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... and http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[11] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[12] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T3FBGUC...
[13] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[14] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[15] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
[16] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
[17] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
[18] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... [written to the Dimwit!]
[19] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[20] http://www.topix.com/forum/city/springfield-m...
[21] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[22] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#533296 May 12, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks once again.
As for educating people, I tried my level best my last many years in the States, and even for a time after I left. My Topix posting was mostly political in those days.
Here are several political posts that you might find interesting or helpful. I'd have PM'ed them to you,but you don't have a permanent account. Feel free to use whatever parts of them that you can.
The simple fact is that I don't really want to do that any more. I find it all so dismal and hopeless. I really don't like to revisit these issues much, although I do from time to time, as I am now.
My advice? Either accept the new reality, or move on. I don't think I can help Americans more than I can by saying that.
The American Christian here - mostly Conservatives - are going to hate me even more if they look at this stuff.
I'd be interested in your feedback concerning any of these.
[1] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
[2] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[2] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[4] http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TSQ9LF...
[5] http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TSQ9LF...
[6] http://www.topix.com/forum/military/army/TL1L...
[7] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[8] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[9] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... and the next post
[10] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... and http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[11] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[12] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T3FBGUC...
[13] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[14] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[15] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
[16] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
[17] http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
[18] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... [written to the Dimwit!]
[19] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[20] http://www.topix.com/forum/city/springfield-m...
[21] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
[22] http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
This poster is my pal in the Bush Is a hero thread.

You should check it out, it's a hoot. Just look at the last two or three pages or so.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#533298 May 12, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Hey my Twin ~ nearly time for me to get ready for work, but we had a great day yesterday and very thankful to my Mother for giving me enough love to let our love continue on ~ and on :)
Blessings of love to each and all of us, it is indeed a grand emotion :)
(((SeRaH)))(((HFN)))
That’s a nice thought. If our loved one are still aware of us, and I think they are, they still love us as we do them. I had not really thought that deep about it.Thank you

Since: May 13

Location hidden

#533299 May 12, 2013
Some of my friends insist that Jesus was actually a chutney farmer.
And that is why there needs to be a reevaluation about that, too.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#533301 May 12, 2013
Faithful Wounds
Faithful are the wounds of a friend, But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.(Proverbs 27:6)
*
Jesus never gave relief to people who were under conviction. When Zaccheus, in remorse for his sin, shared his generous plans for restitution, Jesus did not say,“Now Zaccheus, the important thing is that you feel sorry for what you did.” Jesus brought no comfort to him as he dealt with his sin (Luke 19:1–10). Neither did Jesus excuse disbelief. We never find Jesus saying,“Well, that’s all right. I know I’m asking you to believe a lot, and that’s not easy.” On the contrary, Jesus was quick to chastise His disciples when they failed to believe Him. Jesus loved His friends too much to condone or comfort them in their sin.
*
It is possible to be too gentle with your friends. When a friend is under deep conviction by the Holy Spirit, do you try to give comfort? Don’t ever try to ease the discomfort of someone whom the Holy Spirit is making uncomfortable! Be careful not to communicate to your friends that you find their lack of faith acceptable. You are not acting in true friendship if you condone disobedience or even if you look the other way. Kisses are far more pleasant than wounds, yet they can be even more devastating if they lull your friend into being comfortable with sin.
*
In our attempt to appease our friends and our reluctance to share a word from God, we can actually cause great harm. If we see our friends in danger and do not warn them, God will hold us accountable for our silence (Ezek. 33:6). Are you a friend of such integrity that you would risk wounding your friends in order to deter them from their sin?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#533303 May 12, 2013
How can a man claim to be righteous.

Then answered Bildad the Shuhite and said,

Dominion and fear are with him,he maketh peace in his high places.

Is there any number of his armies and upon whom doth not his light arise.

How than can man be justified with God or how can he be clean that is born of a woman.

Behold even to the moon and it shineth not yea the stars are not pure in his site.

How much less man that is a worm and the son of man which is a worm.

Job 25:1-6

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#533304 May 12, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
How can a man claim to be righteous.
Then answered Bildad the Shuhite and said,
Dominion and fear are with him,he maketh peace in his high places.
Is there any number of his armies and upon whom doth not his light arise.
How than can man be justified with God or how can he be clean that is born of a woman.
Behold even to the moon and it shineth not yea the stars are not pure in his site.
How much less man that is a worm and the son of man which is a worm.
Job 25:1-6
If you read the end of the story, God tells the men they are all wrong.

<face palm>

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#533305 May 12, 2013
"Who is this that darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?" Job 38:2

http://biblehub.com/job/38.htm

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#533306 May 12, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
it's [your job to prove God to yourself. And it quite easy. It's either 1. God created. or 2. Random accidental chaotic forces created air planets people. Those are the only two options you have. You chose option 2, which means you're a fool. Science does not support option number 2. Which only leaves option 1, GOD. I have plenty of scientific knowledge. You want to see how much scientific knowledge I have? see if you have the balls to use science to support any of your beliefs about where people or planets came from. Use the latest 21st century 2013 scientific studies to support ANY notion that science has a clue where planets or people originated from. And while you're at it, tell me what "things" Christians accept about what science says about where people and planets come from that I don't accept. <quoted text>Start hanging around better people. I'm not one of those people. EVERTHING in the bible is TRUE. I have been asking you for weeks to be specific in anything in the bible that has been proven false. So far all you have is a bunch of words. All hat, no cattle writer.
As far as a horrible fate when you die, useless discussing that now. I repeat before, that is an issue when the soul come before God. That not now because the body alive on earth. The only way the soul see God, is when the body die. So no use discussing that horrible fate when one die because you can only cross that bridge when you get there. I believe those that reject Jesus Christ in for that horrible eternal fate when they die, you think that myth. So what? what use argue about that now? that after death issue that can only be proven after death. So no use discussing that.
You don't have to feel sensitive about offending me. I not have no problem with insulting your beliefs. They deserved to be mocked and ridiculed in the public forum due their blatant unending stupidity. You free to write your opinions about Christianity to, no one stopping you.
I have not stated any beliefs, though you seem to think, I have. Your post was incorrect from the first sentence or two. After that is was all downhill.

I can't converse with someone who makes no sense, nor states truths about beliefs, and about things which you could not possibly know.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#533307 May 12, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the foundation of your creation myth.
Nothing.
bwa ha ha. The fact that you take a whole billboard page to respond already let everyone know you lying to yourself about your religion and your beliefs lol!

Christianity, and least of all me, no care if you think Christianity is myth or not. The religion almost 3 billion strong and going. Christianity knows its beliefs are are fine with it.

But it clear 1. You have a religion. I no care how you want to spin and jump through hoops about the supreme court decision. You're part of a religion and unless you go on the supreme court yourself and get that decision change, you will always be part of a religion.

And 2, yes you believe chaotic random and accidental forces make the air planets and people oy!. That what you believe. It not matter if you round agnostic, semi circle atheist, square or any shape, you can't shake what you believe and that put you in bad shape.

Christianity is proud of their beliefs, you deny yours because deep down to embrace those beliefs you must see yourself as a utter Fool. And a fool is what you are.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#533308 May 12, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>...The religion almost 3 billion strong ....
Only 2 Billion of which 1 billion are Catholics.

Most are only Christian in name only. In the USA most 'christians' don't go to church and never read the bible nor do they even know what they are supposed to believe in as a christian.

Your particular sect/cult is only 3% of the world population, about the same as the percentage of pure atheists.

The number of agnostics on the planet is probably greater than 70% of the population.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#533309 May 12, 2013
??? let me get this straight, you think there is a problem with Christianity, because you not a part of it?~~~grin~~. But let me indulge you a bit. In one line you say "a God that rises from the dead, even though dead is permanent by definition" Isn't the fact that he rose from the dead makes him God?? what you trying to say there?
[QUOTE who="Mark"]<quote d text>
The problem with Christianity is it creates a binary thinking in wichh there are two options.
Either "our God" or no God. So we have to choose between ridiculous ideas of a so-called forgiving God that can forgive those that reject him, a "humane" God that tortures people for all eternity. A God that rises from the dead, even though dead is permanent by definition.
Christianity gives us only two choices. Either rape rational thought or be an enemy of God.
Well there is a third option: Christianity is bull
There are more than two options. For instance Chaos is God. I know this concept does not fit in the narrow Christian mind, but then the understanding of Christians can hardly be taken as measurement.
The idea that God has a plan is philosophically unsound. It would mean God has wants. How can God have wants if he can fulfil any want instantaneously? Than he would not be imperfect. If he is an imperfect being, he can not be God etc.
The only reason God is given a will ans plan is so rulers can make their people believe they have to follow this plan, which means do what he want. Be submissive and make war on his enemies in the name of God.
The Romans were superb politicians. They knew how to manipulate the masses. They had to, it was a slave society in which the rich families owned everything. They needed this psychological tool to keep all these exploited people in check. They will revolt to humans, so let God keep them subdued. Let God tell them they are sheep that must listen to their pastors.
And people like you, still say beeeeeeeeeh
My pastor has very little influence over me. The pastor just preaches, that is all he does. The bible is the influence over me. So I no know what pastor you had that maybe make you do something you not want to. That sound personal.

Christianity give you two options, rape rational thought, be an enemy of God or Christianity bull???

eh, how about the main option, accept Jesus and become a friend of God and not the enemy?

You all over the place man.

Explain again what the romans do??

You writing not seem like you thought about it before you write it. Try again,

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#533310 May 12, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I have not stated any beliefs, though you seem to think, I have. Your post was incorrect from the first sentence or two. After that is was all downhill.
I can't converse with someone who makes no sense, nor states truths about beliefs, and about things which you could not possibly know.
You can't converse with me writer. Because the simple reality is what I know about your philosophy you not even know it yet. Buddhism is a discipline intense religion without a deity and I use to be fascinated and inspired by that religion. But Buddhism cannot stand up to 21st century science and the truth of Jesus Christ was revealed to me.

So you as a brand new atheist that even claim to go church sometimes, you young in the game. I see you not even truly think out your mental position. So you take your time and learn a thing or two.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#533311 May 12, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
I have not stated any beliefs, though you seem to think, I have. Your post was incorrect from the first sentence or two. After that is was all downhill.
I can't converse with someone who makes no sense, nor states truths about beliefs, and about things which you could not possibly know.
Haha, trifecta is a hoot.

But not to be taken seriously.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#533312 May 12, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
So...what r u doing on an internet billboard?
discussing philosophies, what else?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#533313 May 12, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>bwa ha ha. The fact that you take a whole billboard page to respond already let everyone know you lying to yourself about your religion and your beliefs lol!
Christianity, and least of all me, no care if you think Christianity is myth or not. The religion almost 3 billion strong and going. Christianity knows its beliefs are are fine with it.
But it clear 1. You have a religion. I no care how you want to spin and jump through hoops about the supreme court decision. You're part of a religion and unless you go on the supreme court yourself and get that decision change, you will always be part of a religion.
And 2, yes you believe chaotic random and accidental forces make the air planets and people oy!. That what you believe. It not matter if you round agnostic, semi circle atheist, square or any shape, you can't shake what you believe and that put you in bad shape.
Christianity is proud of their beliefs, you deny yours because deep down to embrace those beliefs you must see yourself as a utter Fool. And a fool is what you are.
It's okay if you can't rebut the pertinent parts of the post. You make lots of claims.

Nothing to back it up, however.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#533314 May 12, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Haha, trifecta is a hoot.
But not to be taken seriously.
Quite revealing and illuminating, why you even thought you had the need to write that.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#533315 May 12, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad if her man happens to be sterile. Guess she's not saved, then.
Good point!

These women are told quite clearly that childbirth is a necessary factor for getting into heaven.

Looks like the bible definitely falls down here.

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