Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#531814 May 9, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Yes........the same right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness like everyone else, NOT the right to do those things that are not convenient that God has never ordained.
You just don't get it, do you? We don't care what you think your god ordained. We don't care what Jesus thinks. So why do you keep offering that as an argument to unbelievers? It's like talking to a child or a demented person. You just don't seem to be able to assimilate that some people don't believe that stuff.
Clearwater

Denver, CO

#531815 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Did I miss the evidence of that?
Provide evidence that people are born gay.
Or admit that it's your opinion that they are.
Somebody should tell my wife, lol. Nah skip that. A bigoted person told me she can't live as she does. It's been almost 15 years so I'm thinking a person can change the path they are on, thank God.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531816 May 9, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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We're two men.
There is no femininity about that.
We have only the manliest times.
Even with plumbing parts there are male & female parts...

One of you, you & your "fiancé", is feminine.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531817 May 9, 2013
simplyput wrote:
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The two gay guys that I know , call one-- my WIFE---why is that?
Because they know "husband & wife" is normal and they're pretending to be.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#531818 May 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think I see a solution to your problem. Try the other party again. If that fails, go back to this party. If that fails, try another Republican. Failing that, another Democrat. Then another Republican.
Eventually, that's got to work, right?
I'm an Indie, so I vote for the best person for the job. I dont vote Party line.

Breifly the problem is a Congress thats not held accountable. Both parties have money, and control who gets the support from their party, who gets the power in their party etc..

The system is broke. I'm sticking around to do what I can to fix it. You ran away from it. I dont much care what you or a couple misinformed Canadiens think..........

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#531819 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Did I miss the evidence of that?
Provide evidence that people are born gay.
Or admit that it's your opinion that they are.
well...in fairness what evidence is there to support your statement that all people are born straight?

Well scientifically in some circles it has been said sexual orientation can be determined as early as 3 years old, it may be one of those things nobody is ever going to be able to prove one way or the other as far as if someone is born a certain way

But lacking specific proof, there are some questions I think people can ask themselves such as:

When they first felt attraction, was it involuntary or did they decide what sex to be attracted to?

Did people weigh out the pros and cons of being sexually involved with both sexes and make the wiser social choice for themselves or did they just follow their natural inclination?

Sure people for a variety of reasons can do things against their nature. People who are gay before accepting it may have tried to be straight. Someone in prison may decide the sexual release is more important than their natural orientation. Or a small minority of people may even be capable of going from one sex to the other or changing from gay to straight all together. There will always be exceptions to the rule

But IMO anyway, the general rule is people don't decide who they are attracted to, be it men or women or what type of men or women. It is just something inherent in their makeup

But my main point was to say neither side of this issue can state with a certainty. Which is why I look at it the same way I do abortion. We may never be able to prove scientifically 100% that life starts with conception. But for the fact that we can't say it doesn't either is why I would rather err on the side of caution. And if people may be born gay, then to discriminate against them for that to me would be wrong. personally I can't see why anyone would choose to be gay. I see no benefit to it. But how someone is born or who they are doesn't interest me in general that much anyway. My main concern is, are the hurting other people? If the answer is NO then they barely show up on my radar with all the other problems in society

I know i kind of jumped in here and added a lot which wasn't even part of the discussion. But for me it is all connected so I wanted to explain where i was coming from

(T) Peace

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#531820 May 9, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Oh, now I get it, you were looking in the mirror when you said it!
You were lovingly talking to yourself about your bean-sized brain.
How old are you Lacez?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#531821 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ah...
So "people are born straight" is just as ridiculous as "people are born gay".
Thanks.
Now go tell your friends.
When did you choose not to be gay ?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#531823 May 9, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because they know "husband & wife" is normal and they're pretending to be.
That's a tad harsh don't you think?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#531824 May 9, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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So there is no requirement for beliefs or faith to be saved by Jesus love ?
No. None at all. Lol... ;p

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#531825 May 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
We already know why most of you don't go wilding and berserking. The answer is related to the fact that you have no idea why we don't.

Your entire moral philosophy is infantile and selfish. It's all about pleasing daddy and saving your own ass.

Contrast that with an unbeliever, who, when he does good, as when pulling over and saving a turtle crossing a country road. It's a spiritual feeling, a divine feeling. For a moment, in one tiny corner of the universe, with nobody looking to pat him on the back or reward him, nor punish him if he doesn't, a man takes responsibility for a tiny life in a tiny part of the universe because it mattered, and because there was literally nobody else to do it.
nurface wrote:
On the contrary, you strike me to be the person who would place the poor little turtle on a fence post, and watch it dangle its feet in mid air as you smoke a cig and drink your kool aid. And then drive off with a grinn on your face! But thats irrelavent..grinn.

Where is it you get your "compassion" from? I means since you claim there is no God, how can you say there is any "good or bad" "right or wrong" in anybody?
You're projecting your own inadequacies onto me - twice.

Regarding the turtle, you have no idea what that divine feeling I referred to is like. Your world, like your spirit, is much smaller.

Regarding the other, first, it's amazing how quickly you made my point about you people having no idea why we don't go wilding and berserking.

If you're over fifty, and you don't know yet, it's probably too late for you to understand ethics in the absence of a cosmic baby sitter.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#531826 May 9, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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I KNOW!
Yer jist plain mischief ain't ya.
Hahahah!
Spiritual speakin;
Oh I see cap,I distrubed your comfort zone.
Hummm as in moth to the flame.
Hummm as in scent to seed of thought.
Ancient voices echoeing out of times of the past.
Whispering in the winds of your comfort zone.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#531827 May 9, 2013
Ashelah wrote:
<quoted text>
No. None at all. Lol... ;p
Didn't think so.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#531828 May 9, 2013
Love doesn't blame so forgiveness is not needed.

<smile>

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#531829 May 9, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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Spiritual speakin;
Oh I see cap,I distrubed your comfort zone.
Hummm as in moth to the flame.
Hummm as in scent to seed of thought.
Ancient voices echoeing out of times of the past.
Whispering in the winds of your comfort zone.
Very nice. <smile>

More!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#531830 May 9, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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I'm an Indie, so I vote for the best person for the job. I dont vote Party line.
Breifly the problem is a Congress thats not held accountable. Both parties have money, and control who gets the support from their party, who gets the power in their party etc..
The system is broke. I'm sticking around to do what I can to fix it. You ran away from it. I dont much care what you or a couple misinformed Canadiens think..........
I would like to see both parties dissolved. I like the idea of voting for the best person but so long as the candidate will remain beholden to his party and those that paid to get him elected or re-elected, the POTUS will never stray too far from the core ideology of his/her own party. And Congress can greatly hinder the effectiveness of a president so long as it continues to vote down party line.

If we abandoned the 2-party system, had political backers that supported candidates based on individual philosophy, and had much needed elected reform, then we may some day get to the point where we do simply vote for the best person at each level, be it local, state, or federal. It would be based on merit and not affiliation.

I don't know if that will ever happen. It may be more likely we see a major 3rd party where moderates from both sides form it and leave the extremists from both sides to their own devices. Whichever way it goes, something needs to change

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#531831 May 9, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
When I read it...it sounded eerily similar to how some sound when they say... "Gays can do what they want as long as they keep it behind closed doors."

"Closet Christians" vs "Closet Gays"...neither one sounds like equality to me.

Maybe I am not understanding you IANS. I tend to view the world with the possibility that we can all be a little kinder...a little more tolerent...a little more peaceful. I know...I am probably also a little naive.
Don't worry. I do that deliberately. I enjoy giving the Christians their own crap back. Here's something a little tongue-in-cheek that I posted earlier. Although I should know better by now, I imagine that I am teaching them something by holding up a mirror :

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"You really should keep your religious tastes and practices to yourself - like sex.

I don't really care what consenting adults do behind closed doors. I'm very broad minded in that regard.

But why do these Christians have to flaunt their religious orientations and practices in public, and shove it down everybody's throat?

Some of you are flaming Christians, walking around with your bibles showing and crucifixes dangling where people can see them. Is that some kind of signal so that you can identify one another?

Some of you have bumper stickers that say things like, "Warning. I break for rapture." I don't even want to know what that is. Keep it to yourselves.

I once ran into two Christians praying together behind the bushes in a public park - in broad daylight, and when I was with my kids. I was horrified. I don't want them seeing that. I covered their eyes and hurried them along.

And I wish that they would warn us on TV when a show contains religion. I don't mind nudity, violence, coarse language or adult situations. I couldn't imagine watching too many movies with none of them.

But religion offends me."

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#531832 May 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't worry. I do that deliberately. I enjoy giving the Christians their own crap back. Here's something a little tongue-in-cheek that I posted earlier. Although I should know better by now, I imagine that I am teaching them something by holding up a mirror :
==========
"You really should keep your religious tastes and practices to yourself - like sex.
I don't really care what consenting adults do behind closed doors. I'm very broad minded in that regard.
But why do these Christians have to flaunt their religious orientations and practices in public, and shove it down everybody's throat?
Some of you are flaming Christians, walking around with your bibles showing and crucifixes dangling where people can see them. Is that some kind of signal so that you can identify one another?
Some of you have bumper stickers that say things like, "Warning. I break for rapture." I don't even want to know what that is. Keep it to yourselves.
I once ran into two Christians praying together behind the bushes in a public park - in broad daylight, and when I was with my kids. I was horrified. I don't want them seeing that. I covered their eyes and hurried them along.
And I wish that they would warn us on TV when a show contains religion. I don't mind nudity, violence, coarse language or adult situations. I couldn't imagine watching too many movies with none of them.
But religion offends me."
So I shouldn't be going door to door asking women to have sex with me, having sex in the middle of the Mall and my bumper sticker " I Brake for Sluts" is inappropriate ?

LOL

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#531833 May 9, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Don't worry. I do that deliberately. I enjoy giving the Christians their own crap back. Here's something a little tongue-in-cheek that I posted earlier. Although I should know better by now, I imagine that I am teaching them something by holding up a mirror :
Do you actually tell yourself that or think others believe it?

You repeatedly have shown your disdain and hatred for people of faith. To pretend like it is not representative of your real views and done out of some sense of irony to expose hypocrisy is sheer nonsense. The only thing ironic is that you are so self-blind that you can't see what a bigot you are. Or possibly you know but simply are not honest so you try to spin it knowing you have to be more restrained when showing that side of yourself if you want support.

You are the guy who has said:

"You are worthless and so is your religion"

"keep it confined to your homes and churches"

"filthy Christian liar"

"We already know why most of you don't go wilding and berserking. The answer is related to the fact that you have no idea why we don't.

Your entire moral philosophy is infantile and selfish. It's all about pleasing daddy and saving your own ass."
.
.
.

The only mirror you are holding up is your own

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#531834 May 9, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
I have three sports bras. I think they were made in China.
A six-pack.

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