Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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Since: May 13

Christianity :TheGreatest Evil

#531387 May 8, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Stick to Canadien Politics Boots......... You aint got a clue about how how far Obama is in over his head..........
Lacez wrote:
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You think everyone else is as ignorant as you are of other countries?
Boots and I know very well what's going on in the US.
Just because you're self-centered and don't care to learn a thing or two about other countries doesn't mean everyone else is.
We know our country better than *you* know our country. We're the ones living in it, experiencing it, and suffering in it on account of that no good socialist scumbag who blames everybody else for his own failures and inadequacies.

The only thing that stops me from advocating his immediate impeachment and imprisonment is this pair of words: "President Biden."

Your ISP location shows Montreal, so I feel confident in saying we don't care about your country, which apparently is known best for clubbing baby seals and its mediocrity.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#531388 May 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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These posts from Ham to me are bitter sweet. Reminds me of our MOTN meetings…the things that we shared…the elderly frail Christian and the little heathen…I believe it was the way that life was intended. Two people that were able to put aside our differences and find not only our commonalities but how we could help each other and make our world a little better.
It is bitter however…what happened in the end…how there were some that would not stand for that friendship. When they couldn’t get to me…they turned to this little old man…warning him how vile and evil I was…simply because I was not a Christian.
To make a long story short…
I walked away from that friendship…I could not bear what it was doing to Ham. Every time that I think of Ham…I am reminded of that…I am saddened…and I admit…still angry.
I am normally a forgiving person. It took me a while to forgive my husband for the things that he did to my children and me…but I eventually did. I have not been able to forgive those who took it upon themselves to destroy a friendship between a lonely little old Christian man and the little heathen that just tried to lessen some of that loneliness.
Faith for some people can be a beautiful aspect of their life as was in the case for Ham. For others it manifests itself in a vile hateful and destructive manner. They use it for divisiveness…a way to belittle and denigrate those that they oppose.
I don’t know…just don’t think that is the way that it was intended…
Thank you IMO…that bench…that Ham sat upon and poured out his heart upon…is a symbol of what I believe. We can and should find our commonalities instead of our differences…at least in my opinion.
I don’t know…just don’t think that is the way that it was intended…
It wasn't.
4000(+) years ago, this planet had a society that operated on a central principle of truth, justice, and fairness, individually, and as a whole. The father taught it(as a way of life) to his son,who then taught it to his son, etc., etc....in the expectation that each would surpass the generation before it in the excellence of it's application. It was a "spiritual and physical" combination toward the quest for harmony and perfection of man and society, and his environment. Sadly, it was not accepted worldwide, and was lost to barbarians in antiquity. I think that Jesus may have tried to revive that essence among men, and correct wrong teachings. You see what happened as a result.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#531389 May 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Were they killed because they were Christians ?
By Nazis? Yes.
In the USA we have millions of Christians imprisoned. We also executed a few hundred.
Going to call that religious persecution ?
No. America doesn't condone or practice religious persecution.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#531390 May 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Not so fast.
Let's not move the goalposts.
You suggested that homosexuals cannot complain that their rights have been taken away, because they never had them in the first place.
I countered that they are being denied rights guaranteed by the Constitution, and that your (bogus) statement could be equally applied to slaves, prior to emancipation.
My point was that, to be consistent, you could equally claim that slaves didn't have rights "taken away from them," because they never had them.
Bullshit. That's got to be some sort of fallacy.

"You like chocolate cake so you must like chocolate bars."

You're wrong, dude.

Blacks are black because they're born black.

Gays are gay because they choose to be.

I don't put blacks and gays in the same "minority" category, not in the least.
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Kingston, PA

#531391 May 8, 2013
"The problem not only with fundamentalist Christians but with Republicans in general is not that they act on blind faith, without thinking. The problem is that they are incorrigible doubters with an insatiable appetite for Evidence. What they get off on is not Believing, but in having their beliefs tested. That's why their conversations and their media are so completely dominated by implacable bogeymen: marrying gays, liberals, the ACLU, Sean Penn, Europeans and so on. Their faith both in God and in their political convictions is too weak to survive without an unceasing string of real and imaginary confrontations with those people -- and for those confrontations, they are constantly assembling evidence and facts to make their case.

But here's the twist. They are not looking for facts with which to defeat opponents. They are looking for facts that ensure them an ever-expanding roster of opponents. They can be correct facts, incorrect facts, irrelevant facts, it doesn't matter. The point is not to win the argument, the point is to make sure the argument never stops. Permanent war isn't a policy imposed from above; it's an emotional imperative that rises from the bottom. In a way, it actually helps if the fact is dubious or untrue (like the Swift-boat business), because that guarantees an argument. You're arguing the particulars, where you're right, while they're arguing the underlying generalities, where they are.

Once you grasp this fact, you're a long way to understanding what the Hannitys and Limbaughs figured out long ago: These people will swallow anything you feed them, so long as it leaves them with a demon to wrestle with in their dreams."
—Matt Taibbi

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#531392 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thanks, Dr Phil.
(nice diversion, btw)
No diversion at all. It is a response to your blatant disregard for all but the one part of the whole of the material, that you might be able to obfuscate to possibly support your preconceived notion of who and what Hitler actually was.
You simply refuse to equate all the information "doctor phil"...so it is useless to even discuss anything with you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#531393 May 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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It is my understanding that "the church" is the body of Christ. Are you not a part of that? Or do you see "the church" as the physical building that one chooses to or not to worship in?
IMO another definition of "the church" is the political and financial institute behind most denominations. I'll leave it at that.
We seem to be on different pages in this thread when defining "the church"...either that...I am just not getting it...I do get confused at times.
I see "the church" as "a church".

A more accurate translation of the word "church" would be "assembly" because it was originally used to refer to a group of people who had been called out to a meeting.

It was also used as a synonym for the word synagogue, which also means to "come together".

There is enormous diversity from church to church around the world.

When IANS writes "your church", it's kind of like a racist bigot saying "you blacks" - as in we're all the same.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#531394 May 8, 2013
Ashelah wrote:
I'm sorry Tri but how on Earth can faith be pre-requisite for evidence?
Scenario:
"I have had nothing to do with you for a very long time and did in fact abandon you but based on you looking unwell tonight, I believe you are unfit to mother your children and will therefore keep both them (against their will) and your car until you get a Psychiatric evaluation."
Some random a hole.
***
You think that would stand up in a Court of Law?
That's kidnapping and grand theft.

“Ditat Deus”

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#531395 May 8, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I take what you say however we were talking about German Christians and not Poles, Dutch, etc. They may well have spoken out against Hitler, seeing as they'd just been invaded. However, the question was why the German population (which was predominantly Christian) didn't speak out against Hitler and not the Poles, Dutch and other nations steamrollered by Hitler.
Were the 2000 JWs Germans? I don't know but they were Christians (although a lot of people on Topix would dispute that). In any event, it seems that they weren't killed for speaking out against Hitler but as your post says, for political and ideological reasons.
Skombolis (hope I got that right) mentioned how difficult it would have been for German Christians to speak out for fear of reprisals.
However, even when there's no risk of reprisals, we know from the Iraq war that the majority of Christians didn't speak out against the slaughter of tens of thousands of Iraqis.
Oh geez.... "slaughter"?!

You're nuts.

I see no reason to converse with you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#531396 May 8, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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No, but that doesn't change the fact that even the ones closest to his level of power confirmed he was a Christian. He was also baptized, wasn't he? Well, that's how you judge the number of Christians there are; there's no national poll asking peoples' religious beliefs.
Once again, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I won't reply to another post by you on this subject because I'm tired of having to explain to you over and over again that you can't dismiss facts just because you don't like them.
Fine. Your concession is noted and accepted.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#531397 May 8, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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You sure about that?
The New Testament clearly states that we will be judged by our works.
What good are works without spiritually knowing Jesus Christ? no good.

If one knows Jesus Christ spiritually, they will automatically do good works. But good works without Christ is no big deal. Many muslims would call Osama Bin Laden good.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#531398 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ya, I know. My folks live in KY and there's no illegals there...
Another outright lie.
In 2000 there were an estimated 111,000 illegal emigrants there.
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/rr305.pdf

But you will not even read the KY report. You are willfully ignorant.
Something I must point out, so that you don't mislead those that might take your posts as truthful and/or actuality when they are not.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531399 May 8, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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I rest my case..........
PS. If you have sometime look into it, or just continue to be ignorant..........
Proof that your education level is so low it doesn't warrant me taking you seriously:
-You add ellipses like a teenaged girl, instead of the average 3, you put 10
-You said "some time" as one word
-You want to try and tell others that Bush was a great president

Yup, you are one deluded and crazy little man.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#531400 May 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Were they killed because they were Christians ?
In the USA we have millions of Christians imprisoned. We also executed a few hundred.
Going to call that religious persecution ?
Of course. If it can suit his willfully ignorant presuppositions.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531401 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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So you're gonna assume, also.
Funny how you freethinkers all freethink exactly the same...
So now you're going to try and claim that people didn't use the bible as a reason to keep slavery legal?

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531402 May 8, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Yes I did say that, but regardless I asked because I just wondered what "rights" did your feeble mind believed that we were trying to take away?........answer the question?????
I misspoke, I should have said "deny" instead of "take away."
Though how is one any better than the other?

At least at the same time, I proved you a liar (not that that would be hard in the first place).

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531403 May 8, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Just answer the question instead of looking for cheap shot talking points.
Do you enjoy publicly showing you are a liar?
high end

Lansdowne, PA

#531404 May 8, 2013
BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA wrote:
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The Tanakh is OT
5 Books of the Torah Moses;Genesis,Exodus.Leviticus . Numbers. Deutoronomy
Nevim books
and Kethuvim books
prophecying future Saviour of Jews and world chosen by grace children of the earth limmited number
since Jews killed own Saviour,
salvation is departed from whole chosen by G-D Jewish nation,and given to gentiles together with NT,
because OT ceremonial jewish nation lost legal validation to be directly saved
it means only single remnant of Jews can be saved .not whole nation
No, the jews did not kill their messiah. Their messiah has not yet arrived.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#531405 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh geez.... "slaughter"?!
You're nuts.
I see no reason to converse with you.
Yes, slaughter.



http://www.brussellstribunal.org/article_view...

A study, published in prestigious medical journal The Lancet, estimated that over 600,000 Iraqis had been killed as a result of the invasion as of July 2006. Iraqis have continued to be killed since then. Since the researchers at Johns Hopkins estimated that 601,000 violent Iraqi deaths were attributable to the U.S.-led invasion as of July 2006, it necessarily does not include Iraqis who have been killed since then.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/156 has updated this number both to provide a more relevant day-to-day estimate of the Iraqi dead and to emphasize that the human tragedy mounts each day this brutal war continues. Their counter stopped in 2010 at 1.455.590 civilian casualties.

https://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&gs_rn=12&...

There's more. Educate yourself
high end

Lansdowne, PA

#531406 May 8, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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He is Yahweh Elohiym.... El for Elohiym, some spell it Elohim.
Just thought you may want to know.
Shalom.
CS.
Thanks for your info but Yhwh is a son of El.

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