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Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#531302 May 8, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
what other types of "evidence" you would consider? <quoted text>and what if faith was a pre-requisite for other evidence?
Faith, for me, is excluded from the equation. It has no probative value.

Evidence is required for me to accept the existence of a god.

And so far, I have seen none.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#531303 May 8, 2013
Ashelah wrote:
I'm sorry Tri but how on Earth can faith be pre-requisite for evidence?
Scenario:
"I have had nothing to do with you for a very long time and did in fact abandon you but based on you looking unwell tonight, I believe you are unfit to mother your children and will therefore keep both them (against their will) and your car until you get a Psychiatric evaluation."
Some random a hole.
***
You think that would stand up in a Court of Law?
When you have time, read Mark9 v14-29
To me this is what sums up what I say:

23And Jesus said to him,“‘If You can?’ All things are possible to him who believes.”24Immediately the boy’s father cried out and said,“I do believe; help my unbelief.”

[[[
Jesus clearly is saying when you believe, all things are possible.

What then is the opposite message from Jesus to that father??

If you don't believe your child will not be healed.

That reason I say faith may be a pre-requisite. I'm not saying faith [must] be a pre-requisite for evidence though. But clearly to Jesus belief is very important to get anything asked for from God.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#531305 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop it with your hateful assumptions, Catcher. You're better and smarter than that.
Thank you for the kind words.

But I stand on my statement.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#531306 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh that's just your biased, stereotyping attitude talkin.....
One minute you praise me, the next minute you bash me.

What up, dude?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#531307 May 8, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
We are basically living in the toe section of King Nebuchadnezzar's image, and the ROCK cut out of the Mountain without hands is preparing the ugly and final blow.
It's always so uplifitng when one of you bible people describes the world as seen through the eyes of your beautiful religion. It's always just before the end to you, meaning that you think the world is as bad as is can get.

And your vision for us is an "ugly and final blow." Thank you for sharing your abysmal mythology.

That's a particularly stupid prophecy, by the way. I've used it as the bad example when discussing the quality of prophecy. Reprised from an older post:

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The characteristics of prophecy that would convince a skeptic :

It would need to be specific - that is, detailed and unambiguous. The highest quality prophecy specifies the time and place.

It needs to prophecy something surprising, something unlikely or unique, something that could not have been contrived, and was not self-fulfilling.

And the prophecies need to be verified, fulfilled completely, predict something that definitely occurred subsequently, and unaccompanied by failed prophecies.

[4] High quality scientific knowledge in holy books that was not available at the time.

The knowledge must be in detail and be about something counterintuitive like relativity or quantum mechanics, not merely mentioning in the broadest strokes of atoms, heliocentrism or evolution:“My disciples, I say unto thee that energy is mass times the speed of light multiplied unto itself.”

Compare that level of specificity to biblical prophecies such as the one in Daniel 2:31-48, where, Daniel interprets the prophetic meaning of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. It is about a huge, horrific-looking image shaped into an immense man-like form and made of clay, iron, brass, silver, and gold, which was pulverized to dust by a stone that became a huge mountain, and was carried away by the wind. This allegedly predicted a series of lesser kingdoms to come in the future. Yawn.

When an entity with knowledge of the future wants to make a convincing prediction, it'll be at least as good as the one made in the movie "Frequency," when Dennis Quaid's character's son, who is communicating to him by ham radio from his father future, wants to convince his father that it is really him, he tells his father from 1998 the outcome of game five of the 1969 World Series while his father is watching it live in a bar :

"Well, game five was the big one. It turned in the bottom of the 6th. We were down 3-0. Cleon Jones gets hit on the foot - left a scuffmark on the ball. Clendenon comes up. The count goes to 2 and 2. High fastball. He nailed it. Weis slammed a solo shot in the 7th to tie. Jones and Swoboda scored in the 8th. We won, Pop."

Now that's a convincing knowledge of future events. Your bible's prophecies – not so much.

Now contrast biblical prophecy with scientific prophecy. Read this about the "prophecy" of the Cosmic Microwave Background, which was subsequently found precisely at the expected microwave frequency :
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_tests_cm...

Now read about "the predictions of quantum electrodynamics (QED) regarding the scattering of photons and electrons" which were "accurate to eleven decimal places" :
http://physics.about.com/od/quantumphysics/p/...

Now that's a thing of beauty! Your religion? No so much.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531308 May 8, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll await your evidence of these thousands of German Christians who were killed for speaking out against the slaughter of the Jews.
It was a little side note in history, you've probably heard of it - The holocaust.

I'd bet you think the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews and that's where it ended. I'd also bet you'd be surprised to know(based on the ignorance of your posts) that there was actually a total of 17 million people murdered by the Nazis...

The Nazis also targeted some religious groups,(about 2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses perished in the concentration camps); they were held for political and ideological reasons. Thousands of Christian clergy were killed by the Nazis, including some who had a Jewish background, as in the case of Edith Stein. In some countries Roman Catholic bishops and even Catholics themselves had openly protested and attacked Nazi policies. For instance, in the Netherlands and Poland, where bishops and priests had protested the deportation of Jews, the clergy was either threatened with deportation themselves and kept in custody (as in the case of German bishop Clemens von Galen), or directly deported to concentration camps (as in the cases of the Dutch Carmelite priest Titus Brandsma and Polish Fr. Maximilian Kolbe, who was later canonized). The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland: between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members (18%) of the Polish clergy, were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.[27] In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland it was even more harsh: churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. Eighty per cent of the Catholic clergy and five bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; 108 of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[27] Religious persecution was not confined to Poland: in Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[27] Some dissenting German Protestant clergy, such as those who founded the anti-Nazi Confessing Church, were also persecuted. The Baha'i Faith, which teaches as its doctrine, the unity of humanity, was formally banned in the Third Reich.

https://www.google.com/search...

There more. Educate yourself.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#531309 May 8, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>When you have time, read Mark9 v14-29
To me this is what sums up what I say:
23And Jesus said to him,“‘If You can?’ All things are possible to him who believes.”24Immediately the boy’s father cried out and said,“I do believe; help my unbelief.”
[[[
Jesus clearly is saying when you believe, all things are possible.
What then is the opposite message from Jesus to that father??
If you don't believe your child will not be healed.
That reason I say faith may be a pre-requisite. I'm not saying faith [must] be a pre-requisite for evidence though. But clearly to Jesus belief is very important to get anything asked for from God.
Some of us aren't asking for anything from a god.

We just try to live in a healthy and productive way, and figure out how to accept death gracefully when it comes.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531310 May 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do suppose that there is so much of anti-Christian sentiment? There are really two leading candidate hypotheses: your church is repulsive to huge numbers of people, or it is blameless, and a magical demon is at work.
I'd give you my opinion, but I don't want to it to influence yours until you've had a chance to answer.
What church? I've told you a hundred times that I don't have one.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531311 May 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
The Dimwit? I'm not sure.
Another poster - Enrikee - had this to say, which was more speculation: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
I think that if you are not too ashamed to say that you are a criminal, but are too ashamed to specify your crime, it's probably something especially unwholesome, which is why I suspect that it either involves sex with children or selling them drugs. He refers to drug addiction, so that's a possibility.
Plus, he's too much of a pussy for anything dangerous like armed robbery. If he stole, he probably did it on his belly at night, or embezzled from some bank account - nothing involving a risk of personal injury.
Though embezzling from a bank doesn't seem plausible because he doesn't sound smart enough for that. Not even close to intelligent enough.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531312 May 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Responsibility is a judgment call and will vary with ethical systems. But saying that McDonalds is a significant contributing factor is not. Likewise with cigarette manufacturers. Blame whomever you like. But to deal with the problem effectively, all causative factors must be addressed.
Meaning what? Force McDonald's to serve healthier food?

I'm sure your commie brain loves that idea, but have you ever considered that nobody is for Ed to eat there?

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531313 May 8, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you sure as hell dont know anything about American politics if you think all Obama needs is more time.
The statement Boots made about this whole thing being Bush's fault clued me in on his ignorance.
The fact that you DON'T think it's Bush's fault shows you're insanely ignorant.

It takes less time to spend billions of dollars, but way more time to get it back.

“Ungood doubleplus duckspeak.”

Since: Dec 12

Earth

#531314 May 8, 2013
Teddy reminded me of something. The random a hole I wrote of, is a devout Christian, who seems to completely ignore the teachings of Jesus as well as the Law.
Tri, faith has very little to do with evidence. It also seems to spill into hurting others quite a lot.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531315 May 8, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
You think everyone else is as ignorant as you are of other countries?
Boots and I know very well what's going on in the US.
Just because you're self-centered and don't care to learn a thing or two about other countries doesn't mean everyone else is.
There's nothing about Canada that interests Americans.

What, snow? And more snow?

Awesome.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#531316 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a little side note in history, you've probably heard of it - The holocaust.
I'd bet you think the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews and that's where it ended. I'd also bet you'd be surprised to know(based on the ignorance of your posts) that there was actually a total of 17 million people murdered by the Nazis...
The Nazis also targeted some religious groups,(about 2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses perished in the concentration camps); they were held for political and ideological reasons. Thousands of Christian clergy were killed by the Nazis, including some who had a Jewish background, as in the case of Edith Stein. In some countries Roman Catholic bishops and even Catholics themselves had openly protested and attacked Nazi policies. For instance, in the Netherlands and Poland, where bishops and priests had protested the deportation of Jews, the clergy was either threatened with deportation themselves and kept in custody (as in the case of German bishop Clemens von Galen), or directly deported to concentration camps (as in the cases of the Dutch Carmelite priest Titus Brandsma and Polish Fr. Maximilian Kolbe, who was later canonized). The Catholic Church was particularly suppressed in Poland: between 1939 and 1945, an estimated 3,000 members (18%) of the Polish clergy, were murdered; of these, 1,992 died in concentration camps.[27] In the annexed territory of Reichsgau Wartheland it was even more harsh: churches were systematically closed and most priests were either killed, imprisoned, or deported to the General Government. Eighty per cent of the Catholic clergy and five bishops of Warthegau were sent to concentration camps in 1939; 108 of them are regarded as blessed martyrs.[27] Religious persecution was not confined to Poland: in Dachau concentration camp alone, 2,600 Catholic priests from 24 different countries were killed.[27] Some dissenting German Protestant clergy, such as those who founded the anti-Nazi Confessing Church, were also persecuted. The Baha'i Faith, which teaches as its doctrine, the unity of humanity, was formally banned in the Third Reich.
https://www.google.com/search...
There more. Educate yourself.
None were killed for being Christians, based on your own source:

"In addition to Jews, the targeted groups included Poles (of whom 2.5 million gentile Poles were killed) and some other Slavic peoples; Soviets (particularly prisoners of war); Romanies (also known as Gypsies) and others who did not belong to the "Aryan race"; the mentally ill, the deaf, the physically disabled and mentally retarded; homosexual and transsexual people; political opponents such as social democrats and socialists; and religious dissidents, i.e. members of Jehovah's Witnesses."

Try again.

“Ungood doubleplus duckspeak.”

Since: Dec 12

Earth

#531317 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Meaning what? Force McDonald's to serve healthier food?
I'm sure your commie brain loves that idea, but have you ever considered that nobody is for Ed to eat there?
McDonald's has started serving healthier food but frankly, my salads are much better and I don't go to McDonalds to eat healthier food. I go there when I want a burger and fries.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531318 May 8, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
One minute you praise me, the next minute you bash me.
What up, dude?
"Bash"?!? LMAO!

YOU are not one to talk, you're assuming that I'd back slavery.

Screw you.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531319 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are ignoring the facts.
Do you think that political public speeches are a good way to learn the truth about a politician?
If you do, you're retarded.
I can't make you believe anything, but I can still laugh at you for ignoring facts.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531320 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
There's nothing about Canada that interests Americans.
What, snow? And more snow?
Awesome.
You prove my point; you are a self-centered idiot.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#531321 May 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
None were killed for being Christians, based on your own source:
"In addition to Jews, the targeted groups included Poles (of whom 2.5 million gentile Poles were killed) and some other Slavic peoples; Soviets (particularly prisoners of war); Romanies (also known as Gypsies) and others who did not belong to the "Aryan race"; the mentally ill, the deaf, the physically disabled and mentally retarded; homosexual and transsexual people; political opponents such as social democrats and socialists; and religious dissidents, i.e. members of Jehovah's Witnesses."
Try again.
Um...... Hellew.....

Jehovah's Witnesses are Christian.

Try once.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#531322 May 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Bash"?!? LMAO!
YOU are not one to talk, you're assuming that I'd back slavery.
Screw you.
And you would, had you lived in the 1800's.
Because that's what your bible supports, or according to the people that wear blinders, "used to support."

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