Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Since: Oct 12

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#529431 May 4, 2013
Therefore since through God's mercy we have this ministry we do not lose heart.

Rather we have renounced secret and shameful ways;we do not use deception nor do we distort the word of God.On the contrary by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

And even if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing.

The god of this age has blinded minds of unbelievers so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God.

For we do not preach ourselves,but Jesus Christ as Lord and ourselves as your servant for Jesus'sake.

For God said,Let light shine in our hearts to give us the light of knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.
Corinthians 4:1-6
high end

Upper Darby, PA

#529432 May 4, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Don't blame Jesus. Blame the organization(s) that defiles his words.
Yeah, poor Jesus was only the piano player while the wild west shoot-out surrounds him.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#529433 May 4, 2013
high end wrote:
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To prove that I do, I shall post another important one.
When lighting a firecracker in your hand, make sure to let it go.
:D
How do you let go of your hand ?
high end

Upper Darby, PA

#529434 May 4, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Hey...I am much shorter than I used to be. This past week...I only posted 14 times...some were pretty short.
Two people in one day complaining about my posts...well 3 if you include shrinky dink...guess I'll cut back some more.
Is it I, master? Judas high end...lol
I'm not really complaining about your posts to me. just giving you some constructive criticism.

A premature judgement can easily be avoided by just asking first.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#529435 May 4, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
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Hello HL. I get both posts at once. I am, you are, life is.... True that. But I can't say in honesty that before Abraham was, I AM.
I agree no one can teach spirituality. I don't think I agree on the feel deal though. Most people are not aware of what goes on around them in the physical world let alone the spiritual. But, that's just my thoughts on it.
Regarding the knowledge to validate my present belief, I would say in some ways I do. If someone gives a view that is different then mine, I disagree. If the view is based on a mutualy agreed source, such as the Bible. Then both would seek information that validates their view or belief. My views on the Bible are based on the bible, not what someone has told me about the Bible. In some cases what someone has told me slips into my view. But, study and reafirming will weed the unsuported stuff out. Sometimes I find out my belief was based on the Bible. But an inaccurate reading of it. In which case I change my view. But not my belief in God or his word. Just my understanding of it. And sometimes I learn from the others view and can add all or part of it to my own. I think you undesrtand what I am saying so I will stop. I know I sometimes get a bit wordy :) Have a good afternoon :)
"But I can't say in honesty that before Abraham was, I AM."

Actually you can and you were. All that is came from the "primordal soup"-that from the very beginning of existence. Therefore, you always were-you are- and you always shall be. It is a basic of physics and atomic and subatomic structure. The essence of energy and matter. The only difference is the "form and combination" of those elements of nature.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#529436 May 4, 2013
Why do you think it matters to me whether you believe I'm correct or not? That is irrelevant. If I cared about whether you believed me or not, that would be trying to convince you of something. I [repeat] "discussion" has nothing to do with "convincing". If you don't know the difference, google the two words. Why would I hope to persuade you, when I have repeatedly told you the job of persuasion is that of YHWH God?? We can discuss philosophy, but you do not have the power to persuade me, nor I you. You can't get that because the power of persuasion is spiritual, not intellectual
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trifecta1, you are one of the few people I have ever encountered who goes onto a discussion web site, and refuses to discuss any points which don't acknowledge that you are correct, yet you have not given us a single reason to think you are correct. Most people who go on discussion sites are willing to discuss a topic, regardless of whether others agree with them, sometimes to better understand how people look at things, and even sometimes in hope of persuading that other person to see their point of view.
You have not read my responses to you already, or you have ignored what I have said, or you would already have had what you are asking for responded to. You can't and won't get something from me which is impossible to provide you. Stating my belief about the origin of the universe is not discussing why Jesus should love me, nor is it discussing whether a god exists. Besides I don't have a belief about how the universe began, because I don't know, nor does anyone else. I have stated that it seems most likely, IMO, that something has always existed, and our current universes, are just one step, or many steps, in a continuous changing of matter over very long periods of time.
To suggest, with absolutely no evidence to back you up, that there are only two possibilities, either evolution (which you claim science doesn't prove, which is untrue), or God did it, which we have no proof of at all, is hardly the only possible origins of the universe, and actually Evolution is not suggesting how the universe began anyway, but rather what steps the existing living things have gone through in their development to their current form, and none of them go back to the very beginning, because that information is not yet known.

trifeecta1, why not say it honestly, that I won't get anything else from you, rather than all Christians?

With that in mind and because we are just chasing each other around in circles here, with no apparent reason for you being on a discussion site, at all, since you refuse to discuss, I am going to end this now. I will try to not post to you again as long as you continue with the line of thinking you are on now (which goes nowhere). As far as I see, you avoid discussing because you honestly don't know how to, or you fear that someone might prove you are not as educated on the subject as you pretend to be. Regardless, neither of us are doing anything of value by continuing

I am going to end this now.
Took you long enough to come to this conclusion. Should have happened weeks ago.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#529437 May 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I have to hold the Christians to the same standards that they hold the rest of us: we are not robots. We make choices, and we are at least in part responsible for those choices.
G_O_D wrote:
Practicing what one preaches is not something Christianity was ever good at. Agreed
_Fishers Of Men_ wrote:
What particular sect of humanity has mastered that? I see the glass half full. You obviously see it half empty, particularly what you oppose.
Straw man. You weren't asked you to master that.

Do you think that we shouldn't hold the Christians to the same standards to which they hold the rest of us?

Moreover, given the Christians' claim that they have a connection to a transcendent intelligence that offers us a better way to live, you need to outperform the non-Christians, not make comments like the one above.

The fact is that the church should be held to a higher standard to offset the huge societal burden it imposes on us, like the scapegoating of atheists and gays, and its scientific disinformation agenda.

Right now, your church is fading fast in the West. Can you think of any argument to present to unbelievers that applaud that trend and even want to help it along why they should change their minds and value your church instead? I can't.

Is there any Christian that wants to field that?

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#529438 May 4, 2013
boooots wrote:
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trifecta1, you are one of the few people I have ever encountered who goes onto a discussion web site, and refuses to discuss any points which don't acknowledge that you are correct, yet you have not given us a single reason to think you are correct. Most people who go on discussion sites are willing to discuss a topic, regardless of whether others agree with them, sometimes to better understand how people look at things, and even sometimes in hope of persuading that other person to see their point of view.
You have not read my responses to you already, or you have ignored what I have said, or you would already have had what you are asking for responded to. You can't and won't get something from me which is impossible to provide you. Stating my belief about the origin of the universe is not discussing why Jesus should love me, nor is it discussing whether a god exists. Besides I don't have a belief about how the universe began, because I don't know, nor does anyone else. I have stated that it seems most likely, IMO, that something has always existed, and our current universes, are just one step, or many steps, in a continuous changing of matter over very long periods of time.
To suggest, with absolutely no evidence to back you up, that there are only two possibilities, either evolution (which you claim science doesn't prove, which is untrue), or God did it, which we have no proof of at all, is hardly the only possible origins of the universe, and actually Evolution is not suggesting how the universe began anyway, but rather what steps the existing living things have gone through in their development to their current form, and none of them go back to the very beginning, because that information is not yet known.
God did it, frankly is the only credible explanation.

Your belief in how this universe came to be (and has nothing to do with evolution) and how people came to be, is the whole point of discussing the title of the billboard [why should Jesus love me]

Because frankly, if you believe you were just a random accident, which is what you have to believe as an atheist, then what is the use of discussing with you "why should Jesus love you"? oy!

For the title of the billboard to even worth discussing with you, then issues like the whole purpose of your existence, does your existence matter, why do you exist now, your purpose, the significance of events in your life, all that, those issues are irrelevant in me discussing with you since you believe you're a random accident.

That why what you believe about the beginning, matters. And if you believe the beginning don't matter, and just want to discuss Jesus or religion without considering the beginning, or Genesis 1:1, then what's the point?

There is none. And that why you won't get anywhere with me or most Christians, or most Muslims, or almost anyone of any religion.

Because if you believe you're here by accident, then what is the point?

[You going to end this now writer?]

The surprise there is that you did not come to that conclusion sooner.
high end

Upper Darby, PA

#529439 May 4, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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bmb
G_O_D Post is badly confused
EL OH IM is plural in the infinite sense,not earthly
El- is EL SHADDAIE- God Almighty of Hills and mountains(Bible describe them as High heavens places, and on the earth to-mountains and hills on earth are biblicaly goverments, disposrs,or countries)
EL OH IM doesn't point to the rebel humans( because their rebelion against God created sin and depart from image of God to be Gods sons(El Gibor mighty gods)
only in english EL is the Theos
and chosen by God are theos(gods) same greek word is directed to Jesus at John 1;1-4
EL OH IM doesn't describe trinity,only in Genesis Plurality.gods sons of GOD who took a part as great MASTER WORKMANSHIP IN CREATING THIS UNIVERSE AND EARTH
all of them belonging to EL,and came in one from all infinite mountains and hills to take part in CREATION-MAIN LEADER WAS EL -EL SHADDAIE( GOD ALMIGHTY WHO WAS AND STILL IS ETERNAL KING, ANCIENT OF DAYS, FATHER OF ALL GODS SERVING HIM AS HIS SPIRITUAL FAMILY?
Also departed from God humans are not gods,they made own image(so called today secular humanity without of god)or adopted sons of God?
The great deity AN is the godfather of gods. He can't be bumped off.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#529440 May 4, 2013
_Fishers Of Men_ wrote:
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Dare I ask with what? Quality is much more rewarding than quality. I'd prefer to empty my glass and let it be filled with His goodness instead of the desires or this world.
So you are saying that your glass holds no desires of this world?

You have never desired a new car? a new computer? larger tv screen?

Ever wanted a bigger house? a trip to some worldly place?

Have you ever watched a tv show or listened to music that had nothing to do with your faith or with God? If you have...then those things would be considered of this world.

If you glass is only half filled with quality...is the other half empty...or what fills that other half?

Whatever fills the second half will determine the quality of the first half.
high end

Upper Darby, PA

#529441 May 4, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
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I do not know of it saying they are not real. My understanding is that they are not complete. In the sense that the names desribe one aspect of who he is. great provider, most high, etc. There is one name that is written in Hebrew but is not spoken. The vowels from Adonai are added to it and Adonai is said. I undersand your choice of words "The ALL" and respect it. It is along the lines of "I AM", the one who is. This is to my understanding thus far. Moses was told to tell the Hebrew people the great I Am sent him. And Jesus said before Abraham was, I AM.
No one actually knows what the bible Jesus said.
No one ever recorded his words.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#529442 May 4, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Could you be any more blind and biased?
Could you?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#529443 May 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Straw man. You weren't asked you to master that.
Do you think that we shouldn't hold the Christians to the same standards to which they hold the rest of us?
Moreover, given the Christians' claim that they have a connection to a transcendent intelligence that offers us a better way to live, you need to outperform the non-Christians, not make comments like the one above.
The fact is that the church should be held to a higher standard to offset the huge societal burden it imposes on us, like the scapegoating of atheists and gays, and its scientific disinformation agenda.
Right now, your church is fading fast in the West. Can you think of any argument to present to unbelievers that applaud that trend and even want to help it along why they should change their minds and value your church instead? I can't.
Is there any Christian that wants to field that?
In all honesty, I find many more non-relgious people, even atheists, to better uphold the loving principles ascribed to Jesus' teachings.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#529444 May 4, 2013
Adam wrote:
This song was also dedicated to lesbians in the hope to quit being lesbians to repeant and to return to the LORD.
You're overlooking a very important consideration:

"If the basic constants of fundamental physical laws were even slightly different, lesbian sex could not exist. Ergo, God exists, and He is a bro who likes to watch women get it on." - Blake Stacey

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#529445 May 4, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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Anger can't control me. I temper it with knowledge. Sin is a concept that hasn't been proven.
It will be. And when it is all said and done, you will know exactly and precisely what sin means. You can say you learned that on topix ~~grin~~

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#529446 May 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Dude! Welcome.
Hi Ians!

Nice to see you again.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#529447 May 4, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>God did it, frankly is the only credible explanation....
ROFLMAO

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#529448 May 4, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
Even to this day when Moses is read a veil covers their hearts.But whenever anyone turns to the Lord the veil is taken away.Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.And we who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory.Which comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
It's two spaces after a full stop.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#529449 May 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You're overlooking a very important consideration:
"If the basic constants of fundamental physical laws were even slightly different, lesbian sex could not exist. Ergo, God exists, and He is a bro who likes to watch women get it on." - Blake Stacey
Now THERE is a deity I could relate to. LOL
high end

Upper Darby, PA

#529450 May 4, 2013
Truths wrote:
EGHADS- we need a delete button...
Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.(James 1:12, NIV)
The non believers in God- often times KNOW better than US- how we should be behaving-
I have always THANKED those friends that are not Christian for showing me that LIGHT.
If Christians are not true to the behavior that is expected as Christ's representitives- we are not truly IN the RACE to recieve that crown we preach of.
Herro
When you say 'the non-believers in god', who are you actually referring to?

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