Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#528176 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Aside from your last sentence, I agree.
You're being presumptive and you're stereotyping when you shouldn't be.
Not stereo typing at all. The majority of Christians are undereducated and biased.

For example, how many have education in ancient history, archaic languages or archeology ?

How many have read any of the non-Biblical early christian texts (there are a few hundred to choose from)and of those few, how man kept an open mind about them ?

How many can read the texts without using religious apologetics to "interpret" them ?

Heck, most never even read the bible and most never disagree with whatever they have been told to believe.

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#528177 May 1, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
Relationship of Husband and Wife.
Why should wives be in subjection to their husbands.
Likewise ye wives be in subjection to your own husband that if any obey not the word,they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives.1 Peter 3:1
I strongly hope that you don't believe or follow that, as that has been the problem of most of our cultures for a very long time. I also likely have pretty much unconsciously done that in the past, because that is the world I grew up in. On the other hand I have always lived with very domineering women, so living like that was not an easy thing.

Yes, men and women have some different roles in life, that through our biological differences, we cannot change. Women do have the task, if they choose of carrying a fetus to birth, and men have the task of fertilizing the egg, and in some cases of providing income for the family while the woman is going through the birthing and early raising of the child stages.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#528179 May 1, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> If it satisfies YOUR ego to believe that, than go right ahead as I realize that you need at least the illusion of something positive to get you through the day.
You make wild unsupported claims and then refuse to back them up.
How useless you must be at debating.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#528180 May 1, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Is this a sign that you may possibly have some sort of a personality?
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If it were fiction, you would probably want to use Hades. It is commonly agreed that Hell is actually the grave. Nothing fictional about that.
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No need for an explanation La Cez, you may have reached your expressions limit for the day.
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I'm sure you believe in a lot of things we wouldn't like to hear about. Yet, thanks for the classes on Expressions 101. Quite informative I can admit. You may yet prove somewhat useful if only your mind was set to a more positive purpose.
CS.
It was "common agreement" that led to people thinking the world was flat. Doesn't mean it's true.
It's still fiction and will continue to be fiction until there is any actual proof for it.

It's amazing how much dodging and useless blabber you produce.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#528181 May 1, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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could you show me where Jesus commanded hitler to kill en masse? if not, you're a thief, liar and murderer of the character of Christ.
That you are ignorant of facts such as Hitler being a Christian proves how useless it would be to reply seriously to you.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#528182 May 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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You make wild unsupported claims and then refuse to back them up.
How useless you must be at debating.
Faith based things are not something that I have to back up.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#528183 May 1, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Faith based things are not something that I have to back up.
You can believe anything you want.

It is when you want someone to believe the same thing that you need to back it up.

So far, you have proven that the Bible is as much "The Word of God" as Alice in Wonderland is "The Word of God.

You have provided no more evidence for the existence of your deity than evidence for the existence of garden fairies.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#528184 May 1, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Trifecta1, I keep trying to communicate (my problem). Atheists don't believe anything (related to a deity). It is a non-belief. There is no inherent belief to being an atheist. As some of the speakers on Theism and Atheism say, everyone, including you, are atheists towards most gods, but Christians, Muslims, and Jews believe in one of the many gods, so they are not atheistic towards that god (or they do not have no belief in that god).
We don't BELIEVE that God doesn't exist; we just don't have a belief that God exists. We haven't been shown any reason to believe in an existence of something that there is no evidence of. Likely most, if not all, atheists would become theists if a god was proved to exist (would be kind of foolish not to, as they would otherwise show they are not well educated).
Atheists today are taking the most rational position based on lack of any evidence, not having a belief in a deity. They don't have to justify that, because there is nothing to show they are wrong. Believers in a God have to justify their belief, if they want to be taken seriously, because there is no evidence, so far, to show they are right.
There is no direct connection with any other theories or beliefs at all. Evolutionists cover the whole spectrum of the world's (educated people) of all faiths, because Evolution has been confirmed to be true, so anyone who understand science has to believe it. Many atheists may not believe in evolution but may have no beliefs at at all about the origin of things because it really doesn't interest them, or they may have a different belief about the origin of things.
You won't and can't know or tell that from knowing a person is an atheist.
An evolutionist is not saying that everything came from naught. That is what a Creationist is saying. A Creationist says that there was a Void or Nothing, and then some magic, which they call God, thought everything into existence from naught. What they can't explain, nor will usually even respond to, is how could there exist a God when nothing existed.
An evolutionist is stating that life, as we see it, evolved from simpler forms of life, and they have proved that such an evolution did occur, but an intelligent evolutionist is not saying that the beginning of all that evolved was nothing. That would be foolish. Most, likely, have not yet figured out the earlier steps, and I don't know them myself, but my belief is that all of the basic things, that exist, existed always, but over many billions of years these things have evolved and changed, and likely this is a continuous cycle that goes on forever.
Though we can identify how long our known universe and the Earth has existed, we cannot go further back before their existence to identify what existed before which became what is now. I highly suspect that going back that far is impossible, but man has always said things are impossible but later found out that many of them were possible, so I will leave that for future people to figure out.
Yes we have the Big Bang Theory which seems to explain our universe origin, based on how things move and are still moving, but even the Bib Bang is not saying that the Bib Bang was from naught. I think if it is somewhat true, then whatever existed prior to the Big Bank evolved, or devolved (however it would occur) to the state which caused the Big Bang.
It doesn't affect us now anyway, what occurred over a dozen billion years ago.
Someone telling an atheist that even though there is no evidence, God exists anyway, and if you don't believe it, you will burn eternally, means nothing.
So then if it means nothing to you, disregard it when you're told your soul will suffer eternal damnation when you die rejecting the Son of YHWH Jesus Christ. It means nothing to you, so then you should not have an issue with being told that right? good.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#528185 May 1, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Trifecta1, I keep trying to communicate (my problem). Atheists don't believe anything (related to a deity). It is a non-belief. There is no inherent belief to being an atheist. As some of the speakers on Theism and Atheism say, everyone, including you, are atheists towards most gods, but Christians, Muslims, and Jews believe in one of the many gods, so they are not atheistic towards that god (or they do not have no belief in that god).
We don't BELIEVE that God doesn't exist; we just don't have a belief that God exists. We haven't been shown any reason to believe in an existence of something that there is no evidence of. Likely most, if not all, atheists would become theists if a god was proved to exist (would be kind of foolish not to, as they would otherwise show they are not well educated).
Atheists today are taking the most rational position based on lack of any evidence, not having a belief in a deity. They don't have to justify that, because there is nothing to show they are wrong. Believers in a God have to justify their belief, if they want to be taken seriously, because there is no evidence, so far, to show they are right.
OK. Now. Well you do practice a religion. You may not want the title of being religious, but what you say do not trump LAW. In this United States, Atheism/Secular Humanism, is a Religion.
U.S. Supreme Court
TORCASO v. WATKINS, 367 U.S. 488 (1961)
367 U.S. 488
"[ Footnote 11 ] Among religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism and others. See Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia, 101 U.S. App. D.C. 371, 249 F.2d 127; Fellowship of Humanity v. County of Alameda, 153 Cal. App. 2d 673, 315 P.2d 394; II Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences 293; 4 Encyclopaedia Britannica (1957 ed.) 325-327; 21 id., at 797; Archer, Faiths Men Live By (2d ed. revised by Purinton), 120-138, 254-313; 1961 World Almanac 695, 712; Year Book of American Churches for 1961, at 29, 47."
TORCASO v. WATKINS, CLERK.
APPEAL FROM THE COURT OF APPEALS OF MARYLAND.
No. 373.
Argued April 24, 1961.
Decided June 19, 1961.

So you can write until you full up a library, you can't refute the Law. And the Law states you have a religion. You only left Christianity to go into another religion. A religion that is way more farcical absurd and ridiculous IMO.

And you do believe everything came from naught.

I know it's not convenient for you to discuss your religion when the elephant of how this universe and the life came to be hangs over you like a menacing dark cloud, but it's not going away. You chose your religion.

Science does not have the ability to make non life into life-Fact.
There are no plausible theory or hypothesis to explain this universe
-Fact.

Even your Big Bang theory is under tremendous pressure and more or less have been refuted:
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/01/...

Those are the [facts] of your religion. And until you straighten out your facts, you will be laughed at and ridiculed for believing such a load of Crap that is secular humanism.

You're lucky, at least I just laugh at you. The Muslim would laugh at you, then kill you.

And I don't have to justify ANYTHING to you. Show me a law somewhere that says I have to justify my beliefs in Jesus Christ to you? There is none. You don't believe, that is on [you].

I not care what you believe. But don't try and claim what is cool and hip in saying "No God". But then run away from the logical conclusion of that claim oy!lol!. You can't justify your religion, because frankly it is infantile gullibility and unending stupidity. But that's [you].

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#528186 May 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What's the difference?
He's telling you that even though you now have a voice, you had better not use it in a way that offends his religious sensibilities.
He is putting you on notice that he is free to express his religious opinions, but that you are not free to contradict or criticize him or them.
He is warning you not to offend his religious beliefs or you will incur his wrath.
I for one am taking the threat seriously.
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@ Counter_Strike: Please help me to know just where you draw the line so that I can be certain not to offend you. In order to get a better sense of it lest I do so inadvertently, please indicate if these are acceptable or not. Blessings :
[Warning: potentially blasphemous material follows]
[1] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3462/330539994...
[2] http://s159.photobucket.com/user/PyroHazard20...
Oh IANS...I am so glad that we settled that little feud we had a while ago.
I can now go back to enjoying your great posts.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#528187 May 1, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
I know germany exist, prove to me you went there. then I will prove God to you ~~grin~~
Why do you think that most people in the world doubt that your god exists,but almost none doubt that Germany exists. It has nothing to do with proof, and everything to do with evidence, experience, and reputation.

Seriously. You may not be able to put your finger on just what the difference is, or how people know to accept that Germany exists without proof while rejecting your god, but they do.

And whatever verbal sleights of hand you might play, you can only fool yourself with them, not skeptics.

Now, to illustrate the insincerity of your argument, let us each describe what would constitute proof for him. If your god will make the sun split in half and each half do a dance around the other for five minutes, I'll accept that as evidence that I worship him.

Or, if he aligns several galaxies so that they spell out "I am YHWY" from earth's vantage point, you'll have my tithes again.

I'd even accept him filling the entire sky with his speaking face, with all people understanding him in their native language.

There are many, many ways that your god could prove his existence if he existed and wanted to be known and loved by man.

By contrast, what would could I post here or link you to that you would accept as proof of the existence of Germany?

Once you admit that there is nothing at all, then you will understand how dishonest your request is and how invalid your argument is.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#528188 May 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:

Not stereo typing at all. The majority of Christians are undereducated and biased.
That sentence there IS stereotyping.
For example, how many have education in ancient history, archaic languages or archeology ?
I don't know, do you?
How many have read any of the non-Biblical early christian texts (there are a few hundred to choose from)and of those few, how man kept an open mind about them ?
Again, I don't know. Do you have a number?
How many can read the texts without using religious apologetics to "interpret" them ?


???
Heck, most never even read the bible and most never disagree with whatever they have been told to believe.
When you say 'most', you're stereotyping.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#528189 May 1, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Oh IANS...I am so glad
you wanna poke him don'tya mr homosexual man..

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#528190 May 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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You can believe anything you want.
It is when you want someone to believe the same thing that you need to back it up.
So far, you have proven that the Bible is as much "The Word of God" as Alice in Wonderland is "The Word of God.
You have provided no more evidence for the existence of your deity than evidence for the existence of garden fairies.
Homosexual gardeners?

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#528191 May 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Why do you think that most people in the world doubt that your god exists,but almost none doubt that Germany exists. It has nothing to do with proof, and everything to do with evidence, experience, and reputation.
Seriously. You may not be able to put your finger on just what the difference is, or how people know to accept that Germany exists without proof while rejecting your god, but they do.
And whatever verbal sleights of hand you might play, you can only fool yourself with them, not skeptics.
Now, to illustrate the insincerity of your argument, let us each describe what would constitute proof for him. If your god will make the sun split in half and each half do a dance around the other for five minutes, I'll accept that as evidence that I worship him.
Or, if he aligns several galaxies so that they spell out "I am YHWY" from earth's vantage point, you'll have my tithes again.
I'd even accept him filling the entire sky with his speaking face, with all people understanding him in their native language.
There are many, many ways that your god could prove his existence if he existed and wanted to be known and loved by man.
By contrast, what would could I post here or link you to that you would accept as proof of the existence of Germany?
Once you admit that there is nothing at all, then you will understand how dishonest your request is and how invalid your argument is.

trifecta1 wrote:
I know germany exist, prove to me you went there. then I will prove God to you ~~grin~
You did not answer the question. Prove to me that writer went to germany, and I will prove God. I don't believe him lol.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#528192 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That sentence there IS stereotyping....
Nope. It is based on observation and statistics over the last 50 years.

Just like saying "Most USA citizen speak English." is not stereotyping.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#528193 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Homosexual gardeners?
LOL

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#528194 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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....
I don't know, do you?
.....
Yes, based on statistical analysis and census records of the last 50 years few here are more than high school graduates.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#528195 May 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

Why do you think that most people in the world doubt that your god exists,but almost none doubt that Germany exists. It has nothing to do with proof, and everything to do with evidence, experience, and reputation.
Try to understand - MrChar's visit to Germany was in question, not Germany itself.

His experience in Germany is in his mind, his memories.

He can't prove his experience or his memories to anyone, ever. Especially on Topix.

Although unlikely, it's possible that his trip to Germany is all in his mind.

So ask MrChar to prove what's in his mind, something non physical that nobody could prove.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#528196 May 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Nope. It is based on observation and statistics over the last 50 years.
Just like saying "Most USA citizen speak English." is not stereotyping.
That's not a stereotype, that's a fact. Just like "Most US citizens are white." Or "Most US citizens are Christian."

Stereotyping is when you judge a group of people based on your own opinions and encounters.

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