Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527865 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
The reason I disagree is because of what is said in this passage:

And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.(Genesis 1:14-16)

This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are IN the firmament. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those waters that are above the firmament must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. That means these waters are above the visible cosmos. For some this is a hard pill to swallow, but that is exactly what the Bible is saying.
How does any of this support your position that the bible definitely does not suggest that a physical dome sits over a flat earth? Wasn't that your position. I claimed that the bible indicated exactly that to many people for centuries, and supported it with a Google link showing multiple illustrations of a snow globe: http://snipurl.com/26x9l1j . Scaritual provided another.

But you said that neither of us understood the bible, and that you knew better. We're still waiting to see upon what basis you made that claim. Surely you don't think that the scripture that you just quoted does that - or do you?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527866 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
those waters that are above the firmament must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars. That means these waters are above the visible cosmos.
Yes, that is what was believed. And it was shown in many of the illustrations I just linked to. Look at this one:
http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/308/OTco...

Here is another such illustration:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cosmo_bibl2...

That page describes you to a T:

"Almost all conservative Christians believe that God inspired the authors of the Bible to write inerrant, error-free text. Thus, those biblical passages which describe or imply cosmology must refer to a spherical earth revolving around the sun, which is an average star in an average galaxy. If, when the passages are interpreted literally, they conflict with reality, then they must be interpreted symbolically."

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#527867 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical religionist copout.
Copout? I wouldn't accuse you of being smart enough to understand.

CS.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#527868 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Another empty threat from the Jefferson, South Carolina religious bigot.
Your assumption is noted.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#527869 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Another empty threat.
You are no more than a coward, you know.
So says they that quake while wearing waterboots standing in their own mess.

Besides, if you think that was a threat, clearly Mr. Frisco, you need to stay in a Compton motel for a week to get a clear idea what a threat looks or sounds like.

Get a grip and stop shivering.

CS.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#527870 Apr 30, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>You can respond, but your writings have issues about deity beliefs and religion and faith lochness monsters and sea monsters and so forth.
So again, what your writing have to do with me?
The post that I responded to had to do with not believing in your deity because of the lack of substantiated evidences or proofs, or believing in your deity based upon erroneous or faulty evidences or proofs, and refers back to these posts:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
trifecta1 wrote:
And unbelief, is a choice.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

To which MisterCharrington replied that:
MisterCharrington wrote:
....choose to believe in leprechauns...just for 10 minutes.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

You replied back:
trifecta1 wrote:
Choose not to believe Germany exist...just for 10 minutes.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

To which "Adam" replied:
Adam wrote:
That was funny.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

You said this in response to Adam:
trifecta1 wrote:
I know. It's hysterical when their own logic is used against them.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

Which is what I replied to, here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

My comment had nothing to do with your comment to MisterCarrinton that he needed to prove to you he'd been to Germany.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527871 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You read them as if they're incorrect and mythological. That's also a confirmation bias and an error.
Nope. Most of the bible reading I did was as a believer. If I had a confirmation bias, it was the same as yours now, and the one I just cited about you:

"Almost all conservative Christians believe that God inspired the authors of the Bible to write inerrant, error-free text. Thus, those biblical passages which describe or imply cosmology must refer to a spherical earth revolving around the sun, which is an average star in an average galaxy. If, when the passages are interpreted literally, they conflict with reality, then they must be interpreted symbolically. "

That's a confirmation bias. It's a way of selectively ignoring the parts you don't like, and emphasizing those that you do. The opinion that the bible is incorrect and mythological is a conclusion drawn from the bible itself, and well supported by evidence and reason.

If it were a confirmation bias, you would be able to show me the scriptures that I am selectively downplaying to support that bias, as I have done with you and your claims about the domed, flat earth. I showed you the scriptures that you are ignoring, which you are ignoring because of a strong confirmation bias.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527872 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your bible supports a belief that there is a physical dome across the sky, and that the earth sits on pillars.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
No it doesn't, I've shown you that several times. You're choosing to ignore it.
You have not shown me any such thing. This was your most recent effort a few posts above this one at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

Of course I rejected that.

By the way, this is an example of what I mean when I say that conversing with you is like rolling a boulder uphill. It's nearly impossible to make any permanent progress.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You believe without a doubt that the flat earthers are right.
FAIL

“LAUREN IS MY SISTA :)”

Since: Apr 13

Over the Rainbow

#527873 Apr 30, 2013
you are a person who may not be perfect but is worth something to this world Jesus died for our sins he loves you for who you TRULY are!!!!

Since: Jul 10

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#527874 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> We have been all through this before, and I remember telling you then that you are not going to change my pattern of speech, how I talk is how I talk, and the same goes for you and anyone else regarding the way that you speak, I understand you perfectly and don't have to agree with you to understand you and the points that you are trying to convey.
I had completed a lengthy reply to that post, when my computer, which is quite old, crashed. Not having the patience to re-type everything again, I will just say that a wise man speaks so that the person with the least ability to understand will understand what he is saying. That was a comment made by professor in one of my university classes when one of the students who had quite a vocabulary of elitist words and loved to show off was speaking, such the most there didn't understand him.

Since: Jul 10

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#527875 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Again this post manifests the foolish of your assumptions, God will have the last word, the truth is going nowhere, you can only wish that it will ride off into the sunset.
All of your posts would make any sense only if what you believe to be true was actually true, which no one here can verify. Continuing to insist that, no matter what you or we say, you are right anyway just won't cut it with this group.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#527876 Apr 30, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
and refers back to these posts:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
To which MisterCharrington replied that:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
You replied back:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
To which "Adam" replied:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
You said this in response to Adam:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Which is what I replied to, here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
My comment had nothing to do with your comment to MisterCarrinton that he needed to prove to you he'd been to Germany.

who="scaritual"wrote -
The post that I responded to had to do with not believing in your deity because of the lack of substantiated evidences or proofs, or believing in your deity based upon erroneous or faulty evidences or proofs,
eh? So let me ask you this. The fact that you don't believe in my Deity because of whatever reasons [you]deem. What that have to do with me?

Is the third time I ask you the question. Because MisterCharrington writer and I was having a cryptic discussion. I was enjoying it. But then you put in your writing, so I thinking maybe you want to help the writer out. So I ask you for proof he been to Germany because he can't seem to supply it.

So if you was not trying to help that writer, then you must believe that because you don't believe in my Deity Jesus Christ, that must have something to do with me. So I waiting to know what that have to do with me.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#527877 Apr 30, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to hear that BT. Was she swept away from her mortality by the aging winds?
Nah. She died early. Cancer.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527878 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Yes you are. It began with your use of the phrase "deceitful worm" Why don't you know that? Did you suffer an alcoholic blackout.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I was just stating fact. You ARE a deceitful worm.
As you wish, maggot.

You might have noticed that I relented in my use of the name Dung, as I did here: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

That is because you seemed to have cleaned up your act after a bad night. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that your were just drunk, and that we might have seen the end of that behavior.

But I was wrong, Dung. You are Christian trash indeed.

Now you other Christians can start bellyaching about that phrase - the same ones who consistently find no fault in the trashy behavior that earned you that title.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#527879 Apr 30, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>eh? So let me ask you this. The fact that you don't believe in my Deity because of whatever reasons [you]deem. What that have to do with me?
Is the third time I ask you the question. Because MisterCharrington writer and I was having a cryptic discussion. I was enjoying it. But then you put in your writing, so I thinking maybe you want to help the writer out. So I ask you for proof he been to Germany because he can't seem to supply it.
So if you was not trying to help that writer, then you must believe that because you don't believe in my Deity Jesus Christ, that must have something to do with me. So I waiting to know what that have to do with me.
It was your initiated by your initial comment that "unbelief is a choice", and then your subsequent comment "Choose not to believe Germany exist...just for 10 minutes."

Okay, whether you understand this or not, when you made the comment about Germany, you were asserting that for a person to choose to not believe Germany exists, was somehow similar or akin to a person not choosing to have a theist belief that your deity exists.

That isn't the same.

Then you made the comment: "I know. It's hysterical when their own logic is used against them."

I pointed out where your logic was faulty and that comment, "I know. It's hysterical when their own logic is used against them.", is what urged me to respond.

Understand?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527880 Apr 30, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
I find the word "unbeliever" to be offensive.
It is usually used against other theists and is simply saying "Your beliefs are shit, mine are perfect."
I use the word to describe myself, an atheist, and to describe other atheists.

And when I use it, I mean that such a person doesn't believe in gods. Some such people may think those things that you said. Others might not. The word doesn't connote either.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#527881 Apr 30, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said. I believe Mr. Catchum is happy that you answered it for him.
:)
Shalom.
Andrew (CS).
I tried to put it in terms that are precise and unmistakable as to meaning and intent...at least to my understanding.
Adam

Frankfurt Am Main, Germany

#527882 Apr 30, 2013
@Boooots

What does the Bible Say about homosexuals?

The places where the English word "homosexual" occurs in the Bible are found in two verses:

1 Cor. 6:9, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." (NASB, ESV, NIV,)
1 Tim. 1:10, "realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." (NASB, ESV)

In Each case, the Greek word used for homosexual is
arsenokoites. Here is what it means according to Greek dictionaries.

gen. arsenokoítou, masc. noun, from árse n a male, and koít a bed. A man who lies in bed with another male, a homosexual Cor. 6:9,Tim. 1:10 Lev. 18:22; Rom. 1:27])

male homosexual, one who takes the active male role in homosexual intercourse (1Co 6:9), specifically interpreted as male homosexual paedophilia (nab footnote); possibly a more generic term in first Timothy; sodomites (rsv, nrsv, nkjv), perverts (niv, neb, reb), practicing homosexuals (nab), homosexual (njb),(1Ti 1:10+), note: translations possibly use certain specific terms to infer or allow certain theologies. Swanson, J.(1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Greek (New Testament)(electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527883 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Thank you for your opinion. You have not established that the rise in Protestantism accounts for the attrition of Catholics. In fact, the opposite can be shown. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Mexi... :

"Roman Catholics are 82.7% of the total population, down from 96% in 1970." That's a drop of about 13.3%. The pie chart at the top of the same page indicates that the fraction of non-Catholic Christians is 9.7%. Even if that number were 0% in 1970, it still only accounts for 2/3 of the lost Catholics.

This is the kind of thing that you don't do. You just blurt out unsupported opinions.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
And what you do is find the words you want and copy/paste them to 'support' you. But you fail to keep reading. From your link: "Protestantism is also on the rise as it offers a less legalistic and hierarchical version of Christianity"
I guess that I need to roll the boulder up the hill a little more, since once again, your mind has slipped tracks.

I know that Protestantism is on the rise in Mexico. I never claimed otherwise. Let's review:

I claimed that "Christianity is dying in both Canada and Mexico" I cited a statistic showing a fall in Catholicism. You implied that this was offset by an equivalent rise in Protestantism. I debunked that with the post quoted at the top of this one, which indicated that Protestantism is on the rise in Mexico, but not enough to support your claim.

And all your little alcohol soaked mind can come up with is that my source said that Protestantism is on the rise.

You're a moron, Dung. A moron. You're not smart enough to discuss this matter. Your mind wanders. You can't stay on point.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527884 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
"Deceitful little worm" is very appropriate for you, as I've never written; "Dont fall in the trap of being a one verse wonder. You need to understand the passage and true meaning of the verse."
You're a liar.
Perhaps it was Adam who said it. Or another of you Borg. If so, my mistake. You have my sincerest apologies, maggot.

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