Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527739 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
I do not personally hate homosexual people and I am no more intolerant of then than I am of anyone else, they are imbedded in our society and I can usually spot them if I am around them for any given time, although some of them have it well hidden.
This is rocking good news for the embedded gay community. Once you get over your Christian homophobia and adopt an attitude of tolerance as you have done, you get the gift of queer discernment.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#527740 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> No sir / madam, I used the correct word describing your performance here.
You used the wrong word for that too, but I was talking more about what you described yourself as.
You are gullible, you eat up everything any religious person says and deny facts while you're at it.

You believe gay people are evil because of an insanely old fairy tale in which you don't even follow the rules in the same sections.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527741 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Of course, EVERYONE is born heterosexua
I guess I was a slow child. I had to wait a few years.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#527742 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> You continue to prove my previous point with this continued foolishness of sputtering useless ordinances that do not apply to gentile and jewish believers born again in the new covenant of Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 10:25
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
And so if those parts do not apply, the part you use to discriminate against gay people doesn't apply either, for it is in the same section.

Though I know you're just a cherry-picking bigot, so of course you'll claim that that part applies while the other parts don't.
Religious cultists like yourself usually practice only the best hypocrisy.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#527743 Apr 30, 2013
You bought up Pascal's Wager, not me. I'm here to discuss my faith, not to convince anyone.
You're on the internet, google the word "discuss" and the word "convince", and see if they mean the same thing.
[QUOTE who="boooots"]<qu oted text>
Why then your irrational arguments, such as Pascal's Wager, when commenting to a non-believer. You just stated it is not your responsibility to make me believe, so then why make posts such as you do which clearly indicate you are 'trying' to convince people to believe.
which is verified, that God did whatever it was that verified your faith in God.
I think if you are going to make such a statement, and 1000X10000 is a lot of times, which indicates that you have a huge amount of proof, then you should be able to tell us at least one of them, which is not too 'personal' that you can't share it, and besides if part of the bringing people to Jesus is through one's own testimony, if you are going to give testimony, then it is not enough to say you have the testimony, but you actually need to give it.
Your saying that you have 10 million examples to prove God has to mean that you know absolutely, and I am pretty sure that no one can have 10 million experiences that no one else has also witnessed, at least some of them.
If you had only one experience per day every day for 80 years that would only be 29,200 experiences, so your 10 million must mean that you have had experiences thousands of times a day every day of your life that verified the existence of God.

I know that your figure of 1000X10000 times is not true, but I would be very happy if you could give me even one of those times,
No. My experiential experiences, are mine alone.

I'm going to tell you the same Abraham told the rich man that was in hell:
Luke 16.
28for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’29“But Abraham said,‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’30“But he said,‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’31“But he said to him,‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”
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You have not only Moses and the Prophets, you have the Words of Jesus, who did rise from the dead.

If the words of Jesus Christ are not good enough to convince you, my words won't make much of a difference to you.

And this is not church. A Testimony is to build up those in the faith, not for unbelievers.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#527744 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
There is a difference between knowledge, which are the ideas that derive from observing reality and which can be applied to life to effect better outcomes, and the fluff of the bible, which is sterile however deeply you examine it.
A knowledge of neuroscience, for example, is rewarded by using it to make accurate medical diagnoses. Diseases correctly identified can often be treated to some benefit - people may feel less pain or nausea, or function a little better, or live a little longer. At a minimum, a better prediction what to expect is possible.
What can bible study yield that is anything like that? Nothing at all, which is why I rejected Riverside Redneck's comparison of the benefit of studying to neuroscience to studying his bible.
I also reject his claim that any amount of studying of the bible can produce any knowledge at all, let alone a deeper understanding with more study.
It CAN teach something actually.
It can teach us how barbaric biblical times were, that we SHOULDN'T just kill everything we disagree with.
It teaches all that is immoral, for many rules in the bible are immoral.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#527745 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet Christians had other Christians put to death for claiming that the world was not flat.
Murder is wrong, no matter who does it.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#527746 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Many say that there is no such thing as an atheist. They don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around the idea that we don't see a god everywhere, one that they consider self-evident and undeniable. They assume that we must believe, but are rebelling. What can you say to such a person after your denial and explanation are rejected out of hand?
Oops, forgot to add this part of your comment and my reply.

People like that can't be reasoned with because they believe that no matter if they are wrong, they are right.

If someone outright believes, without any evidence, that they can shoot lasers out of their eyes, there's nothing you can say to convince them that they can't.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527747 Apr 30, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
So what. You are a gay in denial.
You also are ignorant, that is easy to fix but you choose to remain so.
You have nothing worthwhile, my friend.
"A gay in denial"???.......I shouldn't ask, but what do you base THAT on?

Again, you are the last person along with a few others here to call anyone ignorant, you are badly ignorant of God's truth and have gone about to justify yourself outside of God's Word of which you do not believe. Also you are the one who is a staunch defender of homosexuality, which have for sometime now made me wonder about many of you.

Romans 10:2-4
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#527748 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never said that. You're lying, too.
Believing in the bible is "learning" according to you.
Sure, you can learn what's in the bible, but then you'd have to get rid of any and all rational thoughts.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527749 Apr 30, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't know anything about me, a simple human. Yet, you pretend to know everything about God!
"The Word" is usually "A Lie".
Only lie here is what you profess to believe, Jesus said that 'now you are clean through the words that I have said unto you'.........how can you be clean and saved by what you do not believe in?

Since: Sep 10

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#527750 Apr 30, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>....huh, eh???
what you talking about writer?
Show me anyone that believe the earth is flat. And the bible never said the earth was flat.
Have a look:

http://theflatearthsociety.org/

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Since: Nov 09

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#527751 Apr 30, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
So why do your reject 200 of their texts ?
You already spit on the words of Jesus recorded by Thomas.
You are a fool pretending to be God.
I'm not pretending to be God, but of course anyone Blessed with the knowledge of God's Word and can rightly divide the scriptures, would likely seem like a God to you, and there is not a bigger fool than someone who refuse to believe in any of God's Word because of an Apostle that don't like and so consider that part of the Bible to be non-legitimate, and argue in favor of a book like Thomas, which God didn't allow to be included in the Bible for obvious reasons, if THAT is not a FOOL..........then I don't know what is.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527752 Apr 30, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
In other words, once upon a time, there was a god that was itself and was beside itself. Twice. Is that correct?

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#527753 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Have a look:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/
lol, bad link.

and where in the [[bible]].. did it say the earth is flat? do you know the difference between a society and a bible? I hope so.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527754 Apr 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
INSULT #1
<quoted text>
.. this is incorrect. Without change, there isn't growth. To become a better person requires change ..
<quoted text>
.. I do ..
<quoted text>
INSULT #3
<quoted text>
.. what? Chris has admitted to homosexual tendencies in this forum ..
<quoted text>
.. today, you claimed G_O_D was ignorant. That's an opinion, a belief. Doesn't everyone have a right to their opinion and belief? Are you proposing a rule change wherein your opinions are golden calves and nobody else should have an opinion ??..
.. if you have the right to believe G_O_D is ignorant, wouldn't I have the same right to reject Clearwater's story ??..
<quoted text>
.. again: if a homosexual wants to change,(s)he can if the desire, self-will and control is strong enough. It does not require the intervention of a God nor does it change their identity as a homosexual ..
<quoted text>
INSULT #4
.. you can't resist, can you ??..
P.S. You forgot to answer my question - why must God 'change' someone's identity? Wouldn't that mean God had it wrong in the first place?
I proclaim him ignorant for the very reasons that I have stated in my post above address to him, read it and you may or may not understand why, and it was never a question about one being entitled to one's opinion, of which you can but still does not mean that opinion is not based off of foolish and blindness, By HIS own words to those who eyes are opened he is ignorant and untooled of God's righteousness, but you have no viable reason to believe that Chris is lying about his and his wife's testimony.

Your 2nd question, when that spirit of gayness is imbedded within you, it will lie dormant in you regardless of how much one may try to suppress it, it is still there, however the blood of Jesus can wash it clean altogether wash you clean of it.

Your 3rd question merely shows that you haven't grasp what I have said to you previously, God did not create you gay, so HE didn't mess anything up, many felt that they were "born that way" and therefore choose to remain that way, stop blaming God for everything, he gave you FREEWILL.

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Since: Nov 09

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#527755 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Lawest, I respect your right to post as you wish here or anywhere else you post. However, in the spirit of posting in a discussion it would seem that all posters would speak in the same language to be understood by all other posters.
Clearly non-believers do not speak the language of the "Truly Blessed" (personally I don't believe it exists, but that is beside the point), so in posting to a non-believer regarding a point on topic which you wish to make to them, I can see the only way to do that is to state in in language that he will understand.
Since we don't speak in the language of the "Truly Blessed" then we do not hear and understand what you are telling us (I do understand what you think you mean, but I still don't believe it, and that is still beside the point).
If believers are here only to talk to each other to support each other with biblical or prayer greetings, etc., then they are not here to discuss a topic, but for mutual support. Support groups are good, but they don't work if they break down into debates.
This is a debate here, or it would seem that the topic is one that can be debated. I am assuming that the question asked is asking for why Jesus should love me, when I am such and such, or I do so and so, etc.
We have been all through this before, and I remember telling you then that you are not going to change my pattern of speech, how I talk is how I talk, and the same goes for you and anyone else regarding the way that you speak, I understand you perfectly and don't have to agree with you to understand you and the points that you are trying to convey.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527756 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You provide a perfect example of the damage that religion inflicts on society, and the pain it inflicts on individuals.
Fortunately, there has been a seismic change over the past few years, and you troglodytes will quickly be relegated to the dustbin of history.
Jason Collins's statement yesterday, and the support he has received from his fellow NBA players, is an indication of the monumental shift that is taking place.
Insults are all you will have left, and but for your fellow homophobes, they will not be well received.
Nothing that man accepts with open arms or what he may reject likewise will have any baring on God's Word and the standard of Holiness that comes with it, what God has pre-ordain will be and will still come to pass, try again.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527757 Apr 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. neat post ..
.. homosexuality is rapidly becoming a non-issue because of people like Collins who refuse to lead a life based on lies ..
.. Lawess will stick to his insults and religious condemnation, that's all he has left, every logical argument has been refuted ..
.. people like G_O_D, Luci, AINS, Aero, Scar, Annie, Boooots and Sereh recognize the damage that antiquated religious laws have caused ..
.. the Lawess people are riding off into the sunset, a posse hot on their heels ..
Again this post manifests the foolish of your assumptions, God will have the last word, the truth is going nowhere, you can only wish that it will ride off into the sunset.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527758 Apr 30, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
You used the wrong word for that too, but I was talking more about what you described yourself as.
You are gullible, you eat up everything any religious person says and deny facts while you're at it.
You believe gay people are evil because of an insanely old fairy tale in which you don't even follow the rules in the same sections.
I only "eat up" the Word son, not anything that any "religious person" tells me, that is for the blind and the gullible like yourself and others, if you believe the Bible to be a book of fairy tales, then why argue back and forth with anyone over it's contents, this alone reveals the foolish spirit within you.

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