Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Ditat Deus”

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#527690 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I agree with what you're implying, that most of the people in BC were pretty ignorant. That's why I do believe that the bible is inspired by the hand of God. What other explanation is there?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What other explanation is there? It's obvious that the bible was written by those ignorant people. It's replete with errors born of that ignorance, which is why people like you who have the benefit of modern scientific understanding are forced to call it allegory.
I didn't say the men that wrote the bible were ignorant, did I?

You deceitful little worm.

“Ditat Deus”

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#527691 Apr 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You know as we'll as I do.
Ok man. Ok.

I can read your mind - I'm just not gonna admit it....

O_o

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527692 Apr 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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It's absurd to think that the story of Adam and Eve is real.
Well with THAT kind of argument you may just enlist a few followers.

“Ditat Deus”

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#527693 Apr 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Learning what?
About your mythical, magical one and only true god?
Seriously, RR, you shouldn't be making statements like that.
You believe Adam and Eve were real.
Learning that God isn't mythical, as you claim.

Learning that Adam & Eve were real people, as you deny.

“Ditat Deus”

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#527694 Apr 30, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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According to him, believing fairy tales are real is "learning."
I've never said that. You're lying, too.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527697 Apr 30, 2013
high end wrote:
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LMAO!
Satan was an invention in Babylonia during the mid 1st millenia, BCE.
Jesus of the bible was not from Babylonia.
HA HA !

Ok, man.

Because the 1st century BC happened before the 5th century BC, right?

Since: Jul 10

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#527698 Apr 30, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Of course my point of view is not only did Jesus exist, but Jesus is the Son of God.
So lets look at it from your point of view, what if the [probability] of an historical Jesus was a fact. Then can you make the probability that everything written of Jesus he did? why can't you make that probability that everything written of Jesus in the bible is true?
Is it because you do not want to consider the consequences to your eternal soul if you allow your mind to adjust to the probability of an historical Jesus that did what the bible said he did thus making him Yeshua? If Jesus can be [probable]to you, why can't his words and actions be [probable] as well writer.
One of the reasons that the words of Jesus cannot be probable is the simple fact that human beings, who have lived many years, and experience thousands of conversations on that period could not remember what someone said 30 or 50 years before. Other than certain 'idiot savants', it is humanly impossible to remember things people said even a few minutes before (correctly) but impossible to remember many years later.

When someone tells you about an event that happened many years before, even the rough details of the event will be altered, simply because they have forgotten some, and likely re-invented some, without even being aware of doing so.

If you doubt that do an experiment with some people you trust fully. Get one person to tell another something, and then ask the second to tell a third and so on, and see if the telling is identical each time. If you want to see how one person will tell it only, have him tell a person something, then a day or two later have him tell the very same thing, without any references to go by, just from memory, and you will find that his story differs. He is not lying; he simply remembers it differently, or leaves out parts etc.

That is a human condition.

“Ditat Deus”

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#527699 Apr 30, 2013
high end wrote:
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I concur.
It would be mere speculation, at least through the lenses of the bible.
Of course you concur. You deleted half of my post and ignored the point.

You're a fraud.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#527700 Apr 30, 2013
high end wrote:
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Not really.
Your bible Jesus was never a christ.
The christians are the ones who gave him that label.
You don't believe Jesus was the Christ? OK. Then you don't believe Jesus was the Christ.

If BibleJesus is indeed the Christ, then the consequences of your unbelief has nothing to do with me right? the consequences of you being wrong, will be between you and Jesus Christ. Because then you will know when you face Jesus, that Jesus is indeed the Christ. You figure out what you gonna do then writer? Are you have all your apples in one basket that when you die Jesus is not the Christ oy!

I understand. I have all my apples in one basket to that when I die, Jesus is the Christ and the anointed Son of YHWH Almighty God.
solicitor

Voorhees, NJ

#527702 Apr 30, 2013
jesus hates my ass i can't even hang out with my friends anymore
solicitor

Voorhees, NJ

#527703 Apr 30, 2013
i wish i knew what happen when we die and that it was something appealing.. so that the fear would be gone from me..

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#527704 Apr 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You provide a perfect example of the damage that religion inflicts on society, and the pain it inflicts on individuals.
Fortunately, there has been a seismic change over the past few years, and you troglodytes will quickly be relegated to the dustbin of history.
Jason Collins's statement yesterday, and the support he has received from his fellow NBA players, is an indication of the monumental shift that is taking place.
Insults are all you will have left, and but for your fellow homophobes, they will not be well received.
.. neat post ..

.. homosexuality is rapidly becoming a non-issue because of people like Collins who refuse to lead a life based on lies ..

.. Lawess will stick to his insults and religious condemnation, that's all he has left, every logical argument has been refuted ..

.. people like G_O_D, Luci, AINS, Aero, Scar, Annie, Boooots and Sereh recognize the damage that antiquated religious laws have caused ..

.. the Lawess people are riding off into the sunset, a posse hot on their heels ..

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#527706 Apr 30, 2013
Ashelah wrote:
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I found something that might be of interest;
http://www.tektonics.org/af/babgenesis.html
<Hi Mmmmwah>
Some information about the website "Tektonics".

"Robert Turkel (2609 Greywall Ave, Ocoee, Florida 34761) is a self made apologist for the trinitatrian doctrine. He worked at a prison facility as a librarian until 2001 when he was laid off. He then appointed himself an internet apologist to make money. He was afraid to use his real name so he created an alias and goes by the name James Patrick Holding."
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic...

^He^^runs^ "Tektonics".

"In some capacity, skeptics feel sorry for Robert Turkel. His venom-laced apologetics actually coat an otherwise very weak position and they know it. Turkel’s attacks simply hide a fragile ego that, when challenged, responds by name-calling, mocking and a variety of other juvenile acts."
http://the-anointed-one.com/exintro.html

Tektonics -aka- James Patrick Holding -aka- Robert Turkel - isn't the most reliable source to use. Even other Christians find his methods and background to be questionable.

"A Collection of Essays and Debates Highlighting the Depraved Apologetics of J.P. Holding, a.k.a. Robert Turkel"
http://the-anointed-one.com/exposed.html
Yeah.

"James Patrick Holding is the pseudonym used by a would-be apologist whose real name is Robert Turkel. Perhaps I should say that Holding has SAID that his real name is Robert Turkel, but I have no way to confirm this. Holding-Turkel has a web site on which he posts responses to the articles of various skeptics. I first became aware of him when someone sent me a copy of something that he had written about me (even though he now says that I am
not worthy of a reply).
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrel...
Haven't you said things are "not worthy of a reply", before?

Interesting Google search concerning Turkel.
https://www.google.com/search...

I've seen Tektonics referenced a few times of late, and figured it needed to be pointed out that the originator of the site, Robert Turkel, and the site itself is considered a joke among believers and nonbelievers.

No joke.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#527707 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
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One of the reasons that the words of Jesus cannot be probable is the simple fact that human beings, who have lived many years, and experience thousands of conversations on that period could not remember what someone said 30 or 50 years before. Other than certain 'idiot savants', it is humanly impossible to remember things people said even a few minutes before (correctly) but impossible to remember many years later.
When someone tells you about an event that happened many years before, even the rough details of the event will be altered, simply because they have forgotten some, and likely re-invented some, without even being aware of doing so.
If you doubt that do an experiment with some people you trust fully. Get one person to tell another something, and then ask the second to tell a third and so on, and see if the telling is identical each time. If you want to see how one person will tell it only, have him tell a person something, then a day or two later have him tell the very same thing, without any references to go by, just from memory, and you will find that his story differs. He is not lying; he simply remembers it differently, or leaves out parts etc.
That is a human condition.
So you betting your eternity that the accounts of the BibleJesus not true because the human memory so bad and people forget what really happen eh? So Jesus raise from the dead, no one would remember that? or when Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead? or when Jesus was crucified? or turn water into wine? too hard to remember eh?

LOL.

Good luck.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527708 Apr 30, 2013
high end wrote:
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Show verifiable and concrete evidence that the Hebrew text of Genesis was composed before the Sumerian text Enuma Elish?
Genesis is believed to have been written just before or during the Babylonian exile of the 6th century BC.

Enuma elish is believed to have been written in the 2nd century, BC.
Adam

Frankfurt Am Main, Germany

#527709 Apr 30, 2013
@HL

Your arguments are weak and devoid of any religion based logic. Everything homosexual even slightly gay is wicked in the eyes of the LORD.
The LORD loathes gay friendly arguments like those from you and your friends.

“Ditat Deus”

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#527710 Apr 30, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Agreed.
And most Christians read it as a history and science book.
Both miss the whole point.
Strangely, I agree 100%.

Good point.

“Ditat Deus”

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#527712 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

What can bible study yield that is anything like that? Nothing at all, which is why I rejected Riverside Redneck's comparison of the benefit of studying to neuroscience to studying his bible.
You're stupid, man. I never made that claim.

I was comparing your "I've read the bible so I know it" to "I've read a neuroscience book so I know it".

Neither can be understood simply by reading a book.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#527713 Apr 30, 2013
.. here's your May, 2013 response ..
Adam wrote:
@HL
Your arguments are weak and devoid of any religion based logic.
INSULT
Adam wrote:
@HL
everything homosexual even slightly gay is wicked in the eyes of the LORD.
CONDEMNATION #1
Adam wrote:
The LORD loathes gay friendly arguments like those from you and your friends.
CONDEMNATION #2

.. all the Lawess gang has left is condemnation and insults ..

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#527718 Apr 30, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>You don't believe Jesus was the Christ? OK. Then you don't believe Jesus was the Christ.
If BibleJesus is indeed the Christ, then the consequences of your unbelief has nothing to do with me right? the consequences of you being wrong, will be between you and Jesus Christ. Because then you will know when you face Jesus, that Jesus is indeed the Christ. You figure out what you gonna do then writer? Are you have all your apples in one basket that when you die Jesus is not the Christ oy!
I understand. I have all my apples in one basket to that when I die, Jesus is the Christ and the anointed Son of YHWH Almighty God.
Do you really feel that using Pascal's Wager is a valid way of bringing someone to become a believer?

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