Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#527559 Apr 29, 2013
Adam wrote:
@Boooots
Your arguments are weak and devoid of any religion based logic. Everything homosexual even slightly gay is wicked in the eyes of the LORD.
Maybe so, however, is unkindness necessary?

Since: Jul 08

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#527560 Apr 29, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Why not?
The exchange you ask about apparently took place some time ago. I do not recall the context, so I am guessing about what I meant by responding with, "Lord. I hope not," to the question, "Do you believe Jesus Christ did the things said of him in the bible?"

I assume I meant I would not want be so gullible, not to mention there was no Jesus Christ, only a probable historical Jesus.
Nick

Australia

#527561 Apr 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Did you consider this a clear and unambiguous affirmation of your claim? It's not. It's not. Thank you for your opinion.
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Once again, what you fervently wish were true is of little interest to other people however strongly you believe it - only what you know and can demonstrate. What you have demonstrated here is that these comments of yours cannot be supported, and are only your opinions.
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But you've shown me nothing.
If you genuinely seek truth from your heart and spirit you will have understanding and a revelation will occur if God is willing.

I understand you have an opinion and a choice to recieve or reject the truth.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527562 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You imply that your added attention gives you a better understanding of the bible, and that when our opinions differ, yours trumps mine. I disagree.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
if I were to read a neuroscience book if be just as good at debating it as a seasoned neuroscientist that has studied it for decades? Is it really that simple?
No and no.

But your bible is nothing like neuroscience. Your bible is just a collection of vague, erroneous and self-contradictory claims. Studying it generates no useful knowledge. Consider the recent discussions on the dome/vault and the flat earth. What have you or Nick been able to offer us from this book for all of your study? Nothing at all but fluff.

A book on neuroscience is radically different. It will describe the connections that comprise the human nervous system, knowledge of which can lead to a partial understanding of how the body works, and can be used to preserve and restore health to whatever degree is possible. I have learned this architecture, and can tell you by examining a patient approximately where his lesion is.

Just last night, a buddy was telling me that he once had thought that he had had ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis) based on some clumsiness in his right hand and a foot drop in his right leg, plus a limited understanding of some neuroscience that he had read. It was obvious to me that that was impossible, since ALS is a symmetric disease of upper and lower motor neurons of the central nervous system, and his symptoms were purely lower motor neuron disease.

This knowledge also ruled out a stroke or other cerebral process like brain tumor. In fact, his symptoms could only be explained as two separate lesions in the peripheral nerves of his limbs. I told him this as he was telling me his story and he confirmed that I was right. He was amazed that such things could be deduced from so little information and no exam at all. That's the benefit of studying neuroscience.

You can't do anything like that studying the bible. It's just nonsense. And that doesn't change however long you pore over it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527563 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Recently, we have twice seen you attempt to pull rank and overturn unbelievers' takes on your bible's cosmology, once over domes and vaults, and again over a flat earth. But in neither case could you produce anything definitive - nothing unambiguous nor contradicted elsewhere - to rebut those reads.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Quote the contrary, I offered historical evidence, biblical evidence and most importantly - common sense.
What historical evidence did you offer? What historical evidence could there be of what the bible says? All evidence for that would be in the bible.

You also offered zero biblical support for your opinions. You insisted that you had some kind of extra knowledge based on your study of the bible that could establish your understanding of biblical cosmology as factual, but produced nothing.

And common sense works against you. You can't establish that the bible authors thought that the earth was spherical with common sense. You need scriptures that say so unambiguously and without contradiction elsewhere in the same bible. Common sense tells us that the bible authors thought that the earth was flat, since they reported that it could be seen in it its entirety from above, and was firmly anchored from below

Since: Jul 08

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#527564 Apr 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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this would be true if i didn't take refuge in THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
those who do not are just plain out there on their own and will get everything from God that they deserve, from the shedding of the righteous blood of Abel to the Son of God Himself and everyone since then who's been persecuted for loving God in this world.
good luck with that!
In an equitable system, those who don't participate should fare far better than those who do and shame the belief system.

By the way, you are persecuted at all. You are ridiculed. And you are ridiculed primarily because you are you, not your religion.

Since: Jul 08

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#527565 Apr 30, 2013
are persecuted at all - aren't persecuted at all.

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“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527566 Apr 30, 2013
Name appears on post wrote:
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Wow!! Thanks!! That guy had so many hugs!! And thanks for your hug, also!! And I love the prank call!! And those crows are so special. I love the awareness and intelligence that non-humans possess.
One of my toads, when she was too small to climb in the water bowl, always would wait for the big toad she lived with to start climbing into the water first, and every time he began climbing in that direction of the water bowl, she would jump on his back so that he would carry her. And when he was finished absorbing the water to get a drink, he would begin climbing out, and ALWAYS she would make sure she climbed on his back again in order to get out of the bowl with him.
I love all the creatures! And surely they will go to Heaven, I just know it. God wouldn't create something with the capacity to think and feel, only to serve a purpose temporarily. They have to have souls. What would Heaven be without your crows and my toad children?
We spent 5 years in a camper-van, when my husband wanted to start showing me a lot of Australia. They call it Oz. It's a big place, with population now 27 million. But for 2 years of that 5 we stayed in Queensland. It's full of cane toads with the wet tropics, but we didn't know them. When at night they gathered in a ring round a tap in the light, we just loved watching them close up. We were told the next day we were silly... they were a pest! A friend had to go to hospital and asked if for 3 months we could stay in his farmland home. It was real aboriginal territory. The loo [ toilet,] had a resident b-i-g green frog, so made him a great pool and fern rockery under the wash basin. Even if we carried him outside, he would find his way back, to under a closed lid! But he insisted, and was NOT going to move his water house! So we had to learn to cover him with clean toilet paper so he wouldn't watch - and on the flush - I think he thought he was in a paradise water fall hanging on like glue. Found out the owner had a little hole under the door like a doggy door for him... and so he literally lived there as his pet.
Creatures in heaven my friend? Well they were in paradise, and everyone of them as tame pets, so cannot imagine any place called paradise would be any different. God did create all with mankind as their guardian, so there's a lot to answer for with all the cruelty. But it is good to see those pockets of a better life for many, and their welfare outside of zoos too. Little wing - our crow - is doing well here, and we are very attached. Love hurts, hey?
God Bless.
Name appears on post wrote:
Instead of leaving a big red X on my post, could you tell me WHY you disagree, whomever you are?

Don't worry both those things. A bit like being a kid in class and getting a star, but think we've grown up by now, and only kids still use them. We all get judged, good, bad and ugly sometimes by them, so don't feel alone there, OK?
A few smiles to finish off...
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Until again my friend.~~Big Smile~~

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527567 Apr 30, 2013
Hello...
>>>Ash<<<
>>>Nick<<<
>>>Chess<<<

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Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#527568 Apr 30, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
Hello...
>>>Ash<<<
>>>Nick<<<
>>>Chess<<<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =pcNuktxE2-AXX&list=PL2xJs pzvHg5n2W7yLJqF-MrXXLpMFi-dL &index=1
Ho.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527569 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
We're discussing "vault" and "dome", well the "vault" of heaven is a crucial concept. The word “firmament” appears in the King James version of the Old Testament 17 times, and in each case it is translated from the Hebrew word raqiya, which meant the visible vault of the sky, which is space - the universe, that bible calls it "the heavens".
You forgot to cite your source, which I stumbled onto at http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm , and which contradicts you. Where does your bible say clearly and unambiguously that it is not referring to a physical dome or vault? Nowhere. But it does do the opposite, as your own source attests:

"If these verses are about a mere illusion of a vault, they are surely much ado about nothing ... Other passages complete the picture of the sky as a lofty, physical dome. God “sits throned on the vaulted roof of earth ...[Isaiah 40:22].”... Job 22:14 says God “walks to and fro on the vault of heaven [chuwg].” In both verses, the use of chuwg implies a physical object, on which one can sit and walk."

Here's more evidence against your position :

Genesis 1:6 says, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Job 37:18 says, "Have you with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten mirror?"

Sorry, but you're wrong. Your bible does not support your claim that the vault or dome referred to in it is not a physical structure.

And as we just saw, all of your extra study of it has produced no knowledge. Your pronouncements of what it means are your opinions, and not very good ones at that.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527570 Apr 30, 2013
high end wrote:
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I like the Hanukkah song better than the hanukkah story.
Shlm, with a little bit on the side.
I didn't know the story either... just know that Epi enjoys some things.
Shalom to you too.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527571 Apr 30, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Ho.
Yo!

Since: Jul 08

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#527572 Apr 30, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Yo!
How are you, Peace?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527573 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You can think I'm wrong about the scriptures all you want, just remember that I'm not the one reading them like a novel, you are.
You read them as if they are correct. That's a confirmation bias, and an error.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
"Foundations of the earth", for example, is not a literal foundation of brick, mortar, concrete and rebar. I can't fathom why you would think it's literal.
You do the same with the "pillars of the earth", and the illustration you posted showed your mental image of literal pillars, a literal dome and a literal foundation
Your bible supports a belief that there is a physical dome across the sky, and that the earth sits on pillars.

The fact that the same bible might be used to argue the opposite does not mean that you have any extra understanding of it, or that people who choose to believe the opposite of your beliefs are definitely wrong.

That claim indicates that you do not understand your bible.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's your inability to understand the bible that makes us not care what you think or post.

From your source at http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm again:

"When I first became interested in the flat-earthers in the early 1970s, I was surprised to learn that flat-earthism in the English-speaking world is and always has been entirely based upon the Bible."

There you go. Your bible can be used to argue that the earth is flat. And you have produced nothing definitive that shows that they are wrong to interpret the bible that way. Science has, but you and your self-proclaimed superior knowledge of the scriptures have not.

Your interpretation of your bible is simply wrong. Your years of extra study have yielded nothing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527574 Apr 30, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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For the same the respect we once had for each other I am burying the hatchet.
Fresh start, OK ?
Deal. The past is forgotten.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527575 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh c'mon, man... That verse is about Satan speaking with Jesus and you wanna lower it to a natural, literal state.
You don't get to change the meaning as you see fit.
The word 'kingdoms' does not refer to geographical places, it's a metaphor for earthly powers.
None of your bible's mythology is literally true. The god in it is a fiction representing the laws of nature as understood by primitive men, and it's resurrection and rebirth are well known metaphors for spring and the return of growth.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527576 Apr 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
SERAH, in all fairness, AIN never begins the personal insult game, they're launched by the opposition. Believers interpret his challenges to their faith as personal insults. They're not ..
RiversideRedneck wrote:
"Never"? Ha...
My new nickname is Dung....
From IANS....
Are you insane or just drunk? Your connection to reality is tenuous.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527577 Apr 30, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I'm not the one that started calling names
Yes you are. It began with your use of the phrase "deceitful worm"

Why don't you know that? Did you suffer an alcoholic blackout.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527578 Apr 30, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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How are you, Peace?
Hey Chess, remember me... Irrira? Not that I was never a pw. Howz the house now, and yourself?

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