Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Anon

Cleveland, OH

#527532 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Brian! DON'T!
I think you're confusing the Beach Boys with the Trashmen. Why the hell do I give a shyt?
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#527533 Apr 29, 2013
Part 2

Boooots wrote:
I am sorry if you feel that participating in a discussion is making fun of your beliefs. I try to be nasty only to people who are promoting hatred by specific bigoted ideas that they attribute to their belief in a god. I have no tolerance for bigotry, and I will not dignify a bigot or his comment by being overly polite to him because I think he is a real problem to our world.

HFN wrote:
I agree a bigot is not a good thing. I also say that there are a lot of bigots outside of the faith too. They just don’t see it that way when they are being one. You are nicer that some, I will give you that. But I sometimes read a dislike for Christians in your posts. But I’m not perfect, far from it sometimes.

Boooots wrote:
If that seems like bigotry, I do not promote hatred against or discrimination against even devout believers, but I will always stand against those who promote hatred against any group of people. I try very hard to never do that myself, though I am sure that occasionally I unconsciously say something that seems like a put down of certain groups.

HFN wrote:
Don’t most of us, beliver or not? There are some really nasty posters on topix (both sides) and sometimes they succeed in getting our dander up.

Boooots wrote:
I will admit that I have become overly conscious of extremely obese people, because Canada, almost as bad as the USA, has a very large majority of overweight and obese people now, and I not only find them not very attractive to the eye, but also upsetting to my intelligence because I cannot imagine how people would allow themselves to get that obese.
I admit my feelings are not very kind, but I never advocate nor vocalize them to others except my wife, and she and I seem to both be similarly sensitive to seeing these people, possibly because we live in a section of the city where there is an inordinate number of them that show up in our nearby stores and malls. We even had on our floor for a number of years two sisters in separate apartments, who would be two of the heaviest people in the world, I am pretty sure, close to our age. Unfortunately for them, they both died at around 60 to 62 years of age and not very far apart in time either.
I also still have a similar reaction to smokers, but having had to put up with them for 66 years, I keep those feelings to myself also, but just see them as not only being addicts, but if young, not being too bright, because they could not possibly have grown up thinking that smoking was a positive thing to do, not in an environment where smoking has been condemned for several decades, and outlawed indoors for a decade or so.

HFN wrote:
It is called over indulging. Of course sometimes obesity can be a medical problem. I think a lot of us over indulge whether it be food or something else.:)

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527534 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Brian! DON'T!
Forget it RR, you are talking to a bird BRAIN.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#527536 Apr 29, 2013
high end wrote:
<quoted text>
Herro.
Jesus is the only way to what?
Salvation
Adam

Germany

#527538 Apr 29, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
common courtesy and compassion have nothing to do with you lesbian or male gay
child born with 2 balls is not gay only male,
child born with p... is not lesbain only infant girl
eunuch is man or women having not any desire of any sexual earthly pleasure,
not f....man second man a... or stimulate or suck second women by women clitoris for sexual stimulation?
please>take basic elementary courses,and learn what a gender is, what eunuch is
and what biblical purpose is to have sexual act and enjoyment to be part of humanity
You are full of s...and farts without of courtesy, common sense,or any basic understanding of gender,or Love and Love enjoyment??
Romans 1;24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleaness through the lusts of their own wicked hearts,
to dishonor their own bodies between themselfes
THIS INSPIRE PASSAGE TAKING ABOUT SCUMBAGS LIKE YOU AND GAYS MALES.
Lev 18;22.Jude 7-8
NOT ABOUT EUNUCHS
HL is a lesbian punk.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#527540 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
And I suppose you think, due to your biases, that atheists interpret the bible flawlessly...?
No.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
"fundamentalist" has a clear definition and it's not me. Look it up.
I looked it up. It's not clear.

The label doesn't matter that much. What matters, is that you seem to believe that the human race started with two people named Adam and Eve.

A lot of Christians no longer believe that, because it's ridiculous.

Do you believe the Flood Myth too?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#527541 Apr 29, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
egiptian god idol Ptah doesn't cause any smiles from his goodness?
do you know who egiptian god idol Ptah was?
The great architect.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#527545 Apr 29, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
For a little while I am here. Good to greet you too Sister Friend.
(((*()*))) You are looking fine! xx
What did I miss?????
<quoted text>
Ooops... Hope I'm not adding to 'awkward'. Just saw some definite and interesting ones on return now.~~smile~~ tho maybe long winded...
... b-u-t you know all about little books, Ja? They grow! How have you been?
Been good Sweet Sister ~ thought some of the recent conversation in here might have put you off... glad it didn't, you would be very sorely missed!! And yes, I know about little books growing LOL

(((*()*)))

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#527547 Apr 29, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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MORE
god of carpenters and craftsman handwerk belonging to the old pagan egiptian triads etc..
mostly masons(masonery cult) worshiped this ancient god?
thank you
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Hymn to Ptah

Hail to You, You who are great and old, ta-Tenen, father of the gods, the great god from the first primordial time who fashioned humanity and made the gods, who began evolution in primordial times, first one after whom everything that appeared developed.

He who made the sky as something that his heart has created, who raised it by the fact the Shu supported it, who founded the Earth through that which he himself has made, who surrounded it with Nun and the sea, who made the Duat and gratified the dead, who caused Re to travel there in order to resuscitate them as Lord of Eternity and Lord of Boundlessness, Lord of Life.

He who lets the throat breathe and gives air to every nose, who with his food keeps all humanity alife, to whom lifetime, more precisely, limitation of time and evolution are subordinate, through whose utterance one lives.

He who creates the offerings for all the gods in his guise the great Nile, Lord of Eternity to whom boundlessness is subordinate, breath of life for everyone who conducts the king to his great seat in his name : "King of the Two Lands".

Papyrus Harris, British Museum, XXth Dynasty, ca.1150 BCE, painted papyrus, from Thebes, height 42.5 cm., in : Morenz, 1973, p.182.

__________

"Everything is created "in his image", but the latter rises in the heart and by the tongue of Ptah, the ultimate cognitive cause of every thing".

Ptah was later known as Amun (god with no name) after Akhenaten (when the Hebrews left Egypt).

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#527548 Apr 29, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
Part 1
Boooots wrote:
I think you have confirmed what I previously said, and you are not familiarizing me with something I do not understand, as I too believed that for 40 some years, though I certainly never wanted to rush it, except on one day when I was at a real low in a very long depression.
HFN wrote:
I’m sorry you went through that but am glad you are still here. I’m so glad you found the medicine to make it better for you now.
Boooots wrote:
The problem with that approach is it is fine, if, what you believe and do not know, to be true, actually, by some strange supernatural miracle, turns out to be true anyway, but if you are wrong, which I have no reason to not think you are but only a bit of evidence that you are, then you are diminishing the value of what you can enjoy in the living body by thinking it is secondary to what your bodiless spirit might enjoy after the body is dead.
Even if you are right, which neither you nor I know the truth of, I think you are still batting better to maximize the enjoyment of what you know exists now. You know you are alive and you know much of what is out there to appreciate; you do not know if a life exists after death (even if you think and state that you know).
HFN wrote:
If I am limiting the sins I can enjoy in the body that’s a good thing. Sure some of them are fun but they do not bring you real joy, peace and happiness. The wrongs will sooner or later turn to into a negative for you. A negative that could bring great sorrow to you. At least that’s what I found out, sooner or later. No, I would rather have the joy, peace and happiness that comes from God. I’m not talking about what comes after our bodies die here but the here and now while we are living on this earth.
Boooots wrote:

HFN wrote:
I don’t feel led to go in great detail but for one thing I am alive. God has taken care of me more than once. From cancer to being told someone was going to harm/kill me. I am thankful for the grace of God in allowing me to have faith in Him to get me out of things I thought would be fun but that turned bad (sooner or later) There are other things but they are private.
Continued
Thank you for taking the time to reply politely, and since I think I have addressed most of the things you said before, I won't go through them and respond again. I do respect Christians, and likely a part of me favors Christians over some other people, because I spent so many years as a Christian believing all the others were wrong. It is a hard feeling to kick, even when you intellectually know that it is not a healthy attitude to have about other people, just because they don't have the same beliefs.

I guess the Christians I don't respect, who would not really be true Christians in the sense of following the teachings of Christ, IMO, anyway, is those using their beliefs to demonize other people who do nothing to harm anyone, and are demonized, basically, only because they exist.

It is offensive to me that humans, who are suppose to represent a religion which preaches love, are so hateful.

My not believing any longer that there is a God, and believing the Bible is not truthful, is really almost independent of my feelings about Christians. I didn't change my opinions of people I know, in most cases, but really just came to an understanding that what I had learned through life was not a truth, but a fabrication, that likely was honestly and innocently taught to me, because those teaching it actually really believed it to be true.

I know my parents believe(d) it to be true, as did my grandparents, and many of the people I most respect in my life.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#527549 Apr 29, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for taking the time to reply politely, and since I think I have addressed most of the things you said before, I won't go through them and respond again. I do respect Christians, and likely a part of me favors Christians over some other people, because I spent so many years as a Christian believing all the others were wrong. It is a hard feeling to kick, even when you intellectually know that it is not a healthy attitude to have about other people, just because they don't have the same beliefs.
I guess the Christians I don't respect, who would not really be true Christians in the sense of following the teachings of Christ, IMO, anyway, is those using their beliefs to demonize other people who do nothing to harm anyone, and are demonized, basically, only because they exist.
It is offensive to me that humans, who are suppose to represent a religion which preaches love, are so hateful.
My not believing any longer that there is a God, and believing the Bible is not truthful, is really almost independent of my feelings about Christians. I didn't change my opinions of people I know, in most cases, but really just came to an understanding that what I had learned through life was not a truth, but a fabrication, that likely was honestly and innocently taught to me, because those teaching it actually really believed it to be true.
I know my parents believe(d) it to be true, as did my grandparents, and many of the people I most respect in my life.
Thank you too Boooots.

So you use to think like me and now think like you. I use to think like you and now think like me. Wait, what did I just say? LOL :)

Hope things are good your way.
HFN

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527550 Apr 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe. I don't think that is what PW,s intent. And who would listen and understand anyway-really? I have some insight to what PW can't or won't really relate, as it would cause an onslaught of ridicule and defamation, and be completely rejected.

Many of the writings in the OT and NT are actually recounts of previous histories of ancient writings and ideologies(mostly Egyptian). Romans is a good example.
The Christian patriarchs are all rooted in those beliefs and customs. The Hebrews attempted to sever many of the particulars(especially magick) when they were expelled from the "sisters" as attempted usurpers of religion and government. The Nubian Akhenaten king and the murder of young Tut was a major point in that history...which has been suppressed and nearly all information destroyed by the later Abrahamic incursions of the Roman theocracy and then the Islamic invasion.
Ironically, the obelisk in St Peters square is the "footprint of Thoth", and the representation of the pillar of communication for the "children of light" through "pharaoh" to civilization. Makes one wonder why it was so important for the theocracy to have this (under great labors) transported to the exact place where it is always available to the "Italian pharaoh"(pope).
Sorry. I am rambling aren't I?
Some interesting points there BT!“ who would listen and understand anyway-really? I have some insight to what PW can't or won't really relate, as it would cause an onslaught of ridicule and defamation, and be completely rejected.” Ja... been there since the beginning of time too. But that said, and excuse my ignorance of history in what you were saying,
... ie.' the Hebrews attempts to sever many of the particulars(especially magick) when they were expelled from the "sisters" as attempted usurpers of religion and government.
Would you mind filling me in here?

One thing it may connect to in Turkey are / were the Nicolaitanes - as in the Book of Revelation 2:2-7 ...“6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.”
... plus 3:7-12...“9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

But please... I don't know what also is regard to “the sisters” in your statement either. Can you fill me in more?
Thanx for sharing... U C... I have much to learn of many things!

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527551 Apr 29, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you too Boooots.
So you use to think like me and now think like you. I use to think like you and now think like me. Wait, what did I just say? LOL :)
Hope things are good your way.
HFN
Called a peaceful post ending HFN!
How are you Sister? Good to read you. You folk are up late?
God Bless

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527552 Apr 29, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Been good Sweet Sister ~ thought some of the recent conversation in here might have put you off... glad it didn't, you would be very sorely missed!! And yes, I know about little books growing LOL
(((*()*)))
'Thought' thinks a lot of things hey? I learned one where he thought his leg was out of bed so he got out to put it back in again. durrr I think is the English term at the end of that one! But for now... and when I can... I'll still blow in. today a few more positive posts it seems of which I still must go thru and try to answer. have the pm free.
Love always Heart Sister of another twin, I have always thanked you for adopting a waif like me.(((*()*))xxx
What have you been sinking your spiritual teeth into lately?

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527553 Apr 29, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Absolutely my friend, no matter how bad things may seem in the natural, so long as God is with us it will work out to our advantage, for we walk by FAITH and not by SIGHT.
Romans 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
I love that verse. Called for a purpose. That day is vivid at age 12, sitting beside my young dying mum's bed, telling her with fully understood ]purpose'- that “when I grow up I have to go to Africa”-'My promise for the field' already written in pencil capitals in the margin beside psalm 91. All I knew was, when that day came I had to be ready to drop everything and leave everyone. I did. With my sweetest mum safe in the arms of the angels I kissed her goodbye, and 5 hours distance away, five minutes after arrival in a strange crowded city - a tall man approach me and spoke. Out of all the people on the planet, in the most ever unlikely place to be at that same corner, the journey had begun in absolute Faith. I explained 'we wouldn't be together by the time I was about 30, but that didn't worry him, and on arrival at his mother's home in Africa, he pointed to a large long picture of a +- 5 y.o. exclaiming,“I told my mother I'm going to find and marry her!”[my own 'likeness' was uncanny.\
And Ja... he died without warning of a heart attach when I was 30... but I was called with a purpose and stayed, and carried on loving God with all our heart, soul, strength, and might and understood, my neighbor – the people – I loved also. Today, just the location has changed.

Well... you can have your ears back now my friend, but witness of this Faith is worth singing about. It IS true that all things work together for good, for His purpose, when we trust His calling! But then again... that kind of dedication can be misinterpreted, not understood, and like a disease, misdiagnosed. But all the 'miss – es' in the world cannot subtract from.
Take Care Brother and God Bless.
John 4: 23 “But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship Him.”

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527554 Apr 29, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
PW could end the whole debate about god and the bible.
If he was able to pull Nobel worthy science from the bible, I'd have to give it some serious consideration.
It is true Aero... it is the very thing which took me into the world of the nukes and physics. That professor's confirmation was an incredible, unexpected phone call 5 months later when he read it in the newspaper about those Nobel guys, what I had explained to him on his blackboard. My concerns for the children - with adult abuse and what was Not understood of the nukes waste - followed. I know for a fact the Bible contains amazing realities within the pages of ancient text, which no-one would even think existed. And tho not gifted in their text historically, the value of what is contained is incredible.

And just so you know... I'm a she, but it is The Truth alone – in your words -“that could end the debate about God and the Bible... not me.[ I have just added the capitals.]

The quantum effects of His Force is not something the world can ignore forever, as the gravity of the matter is what counts above all in His Time and Space. It is true what is said about human beings. Fast forward some city street scenes and look through the eyes of oscillation at Isaiah 42:22 “ He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. Then have a look at the human activity of the fast forward motion.

It's a gas - excuse the pun - to study God's ways! The cryptography being yet deciphered which even science still theorizes by painfully overlooking it's possibility / fact, has the stamp of approval as being 100% authentic from it's original source... which is God.

Well... that's my take and hope you enjoy giving it serious consideration.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527555 Apr 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Please show us the unambiguous and uncontradicted scripture that shows us that for a fact. If you can't, then thank you for your opinion.
Nick wrote:
Dan ch4 v5 and v6 explains it was a dream Nebuchadnezzer saw and visions that troubled him and wanted to know the interpretation of the dream.
Did you consider this a clear and unambiguous affirmation of your claim? It's not. It's not. Thank you for your opinion.
Nick wrote:
Matt ch4 v8 is also mentioned in Luke ch4 v5.
Once again, what you fervently wish were true is of little interest to other people however strongly you believe it - only what you know and can demonstrate. What you have demonstrated here is that these comments of yours cannot be supported, and are only your opinions.
Nick wrote:
At the end of the day it is for you to seek understanding through God's Spirit for the true context and meaning. If your not genuinely willing then there is no point, no matter what anyone shows you.
But you've shown me nothing.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527556 Apr 29, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. the sweet lady from KY has not personally been insulted, her belief system, her God, has been insulted. She then personalizes the interaction, responds in anger or frustration and indulges in name-calling ..
.. because we are human and respond emotionally, learning to separate a concept from a personal attack is difficult, especially when it comes to belief systems ..
.. neither Peace Warrior, Epi or Sereh indulge in name-calling, their posts reflect an emotional maturity. Hot heads go into warrior mode and begin the personal attacks, a sure sign of emotional and spiritual immaturity ..
.. your rebuttal is valid because many people respond from a gut level instead of detaching from the resentment and anger, focusing on the meat of the argument and refuting their foe ..
Well here we go LW, and at the price of my own crucifixion for speaking with you - which I have been thru anyway long before topix land, so no worse harm there ~~smile~~ and there goes another bullet just for that! Wow … such is life in the pw's fast lane.'Your words...“Hot heads go into warrior mode” Not sure if a real one can afford to be a hot head, otherwise all perspective of healthy balance and opinion would be lost to their own emotions... tho I know one who would disagree as quickly as he has contempt... and still will... while polishing his own crown.

Facts are Jesus never chose a saint to be a disciple, and the only one who stood up for him in reality was a woman. Others got sacred when the heat was on. Ho hum... what's new? But thanx. I do see you, and have leaned more about some things - many actually - since being in here. Not a single being on the planet can know it all, but what I do, I testify to... and therefore share. That said... don't throw no devil at me when shouting any abuse, or I might just turn him loose on you in return as I did just once to demonstrate that posters own reflection![ now what the sparks fly in retaliation to that comment.]

Thanx too for caring about NAOP.
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Name appears on post wrote:
<quoted text>
.. Name Appears has autism. Please have a little common courtesy and compassion.
Take Care.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#527557 Apr 29, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Being "born" homosexual is not celibacy when you engage in sexual acts with the other person, and no one is "born" that way.
Brother... I have had quite a few come to me thru time with real problems here, and with God's Love, have done my best to stand by them. There but for the Grace of God go any of us. The genuine cases who are born 'differently'.

“Intersex people in society
History

Intersex people are treated in different ways by different cultures. In some cultures, such people were included in larger "third gender" or gender-blending social roles along with other individuals. In most societies, intersex people have been expected to conform to either a female or a male gender role.[46] Surgeons pinpointed intersex babies as an emergency once they were born. The parents of the intersex babies were not content about the situation. Psychologists, sexologists, and researchers had a theory that it was better if the baby's genitalia were changed when they were younger than when they were a mature adult. The scientist thought that helped with the confusion.[47]

“Whether or not they were socially tolerated or accepted by any particular culture, the existence of intersex people was known to many ancient and pre-modern cultures.” 

"Since the rise of modern medical science in Western societies, some intersex people with ambiguous external genitalia have had their genitalia surgically modified to resemble either female or male genitals. Since the advancements in surgery have made it possible for intersex conditions to be concealed, many people are not aware of how frequently intersex conditions arise in human beings or that they occur at all.[53] Contemporary social activists, scientists and health practitioners, among others, have begun to revisit the issue. Awareness of the existence of physical sexual variation in human beings has increased.“

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

I do not with for a long debate about 'homosexuality'- nor any other practices - but this fact of physical can and does happen... and we should not judge. Some I met, their parents didn't even tell them, and they only found that medical condition thru tests done. Other grow up knowing their birth, and must live with mistakes made by parents.

If you can do nothing else for them, then please just consider such a physical plight.

Thank you... and Blessings.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#527558 Apr 29, 2013
boooots wrote:
Rebut something with sound facts is good, but ridicule tends to just get the other person's back up and then they just react to what we have said to them rather than respond to the rebuttal with their own 'sound' facts.
That's fine. I'm not looking for anything from the believer, so I don't need to behave solicitously. The ridicule is not for their benefit.

We've both been at this long enough to know that the Christians are not really interested in dialectic, and there is no future in reasoning with them or in trying to keep them happy.

boooots wrote:
It seems kind of human nature that when we are personally attacked we deal with the personal attack rather than the subject being discussed.
The ridicule that I am advocating is of ideas and institutions, not persons. If people choose to take it personally, they are free to do that.
boooots wrote:
It is hard to break that, but the best way is to not play the same game that they want to play.
Ridicule is most definitely NOT the game that they want to play.

[1] "If religion contained any truth, it could be ridiculed, insulted, even defiled, without being diminished in any way. Its truth would shine through: undimmed, unblemished, shaming those who abused it into silence. But that’s not how things are. Religion is prickly. It’s intolerant. It’s ultra-defensive precisely because it’s brittle and fragile. It’s about as substantial as a meringue. It’s all froth and no substance. It’s had thousands of years to make its case and all it’s produced is sophistry, violence and a raft of morals that would shame a rattlesnake." - Pat Condell

[2]“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus." -Thomas Jefferson

[3] "I think religion should be treated with ridicule, hatred and contempt, and I claim that right." – Christopher Hitchens

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