Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#527340 Apr 29, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>You are not only a hypocrite but a liar as well, I never said that the entire OT is to be ignored, what I did say is that you have to WHAT still applies to the believers to obey today and what isn't, for example..........we don't have to offer up rams, bullocks, goats and cattle in general as atonements for our sins, we don't have to perform physical circumcision on our male servants now, we don't have to keep the sabbath day anymore, we don't have to stone anyone or kill people in general, we don't have to follow and obey 'an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth'( though many still prefer to not knowing any better and it appeals their desire for revenge .

TRhese are just a very few example, there are many things that we as christians still have to obey, but again........you have to know WHAT still applies and what doesn't.
And how do you know what applies and what doesn't?

Do you get to decide for yourself?

Does god tell you?

Does a priest tell you?

Does the Holy Spirit tell you?

Do your friends tell you?

Does the bible tell you?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#527341 Apr 29, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Good evening Chris, very true post, there is an old saying that the devil is still telling a lie even when he is telling the truth.
I like being called a devil. And satan. And evil.

I like it SOOOOO much.

Thank you and have a wonderful day.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527342 Apr 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, cherry-picking bigot.
Hiding behind your bible, trying to claim it has relevance only when you decide it does because you don't like a minority.
As with the majority of your fellow atheist here, your mind is stalled and mired in a senseless circular looped argument, one more question to you and then I am through with you on the subject.........why do not only the gentile races who have been adopted and made heirs to the things of God by the blood of Christ Jesus, as well as those Jews who are born again by faith in his name, have to adhere to old ordinances and laws that were especially designed for the Hebrew and Nazarite people?

Also, I have no interest in twisting any of God's Word to demean any "minorities", homosexuality is a sin, stop equating it to a minority group because that is a lie straight from the pit of hell, God has made it clear that this was not meant to be and it is not natural and he has condemned it through the entire Bible, not just in the OT.

Romans 1:21-32
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain [1] God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527343 Apr 29, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
And how do you know what applies and what doesn't?
Do you get to decide for yourself?
Does god tell you?
Does a priest tell you?
Does the Holy Spirit tell you?
Do your friends tell you?
Does the bible tell you?
The Word of God tell not only tells those who believe on his Word, but it is confirmed to us through his spirit, and since you don't have that spirit, you have no reference point in understanding these matters.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#527344 Apr 29, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Lawest, is taking what we have to do from the OT and what we don't have to do now, simply making our own rules, based on what we think is right and what isn't right, rather than following "God's Word" as He commanded?
Could not the same be said about the writing of the OT (and the NT) that people put in things that they considered were okay at that time?
I think, otherwise, humans who make those decisions, of which are applicable and which aren't, are playing God, or even assuming they are above God and can know that he intended certain rules for certain peoples and the rest for people in 2013.
The simplest and most logical way to interpret that (please tell me if you see a more logical means) is that man created the first books, based on man's traditions and thinking at the time, and that since then man has adapted those rules to apply to current laws and traditions.
To me that beats God made errors or made rules to apply to only one tiny chunk of human history and to only one very tiny portion of the human population.
Boooosts, what is the point of going over these matters with you, you cannot comprehend them because you cannot believe, you are without faith, so it would all be a waste of time, go back and read some of my previous posts on the subject if you want to understand what I am saying.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#527345 Apr 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>It isn't a case of eliminating truth from myth really. It is more of "finding" the core elements of truth that comprise the pillar(s) of the writings(in the actual context and/or code they were written in).
Often, because the writings are incomprehensible or misunderstood, or do not appear relevant to the time they "read" in, they are dismissed as myth or senseless prose. Some were/are written purposely in cipher so only those who "know" the keys can ever decipher the true message.
You may have actually broken a code without even realizing it...when you had the everyday world removed from your deductive mind as interference(noise).
Does that answer your question?
PW could end the whole debate about god and the bible.

If he was able to pull Nobel worthy science from the bible, I'd have to give it some serious consideration.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#527346 Apr 29, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Serah wrote:

.. SERAH, in all fairness, AIN never begins the personal insult game, they're launched by the opposition. Believers interpret his challenges to their faith as personal insults. They're not ..
But your wrong. Its how he words his opinions.

Tell me what you think of this example:

Lets say some christian lady in Kentucky stumbles across topix. She finds the WSJLM thread and says hmmm, this sounds interesting. The lady reads along , and sees some posts of IANS to, lets say skom, or LW, or Epi. He has insulted all of them and put their belief system down.

Now lets say the lady starts to post. She engages Ians in a friendly manner and Ians returns the respect. But she cant help but notice how he still puts down her belief system and other christians.

She trys to explain to Ians that he's wrong and in classic Ians fashion he tells her he doesnt care, its her problem its how he feels about her religion and he wont back down because hes here to cleanse the world of chriastianity once and for all. She may or may not drop it for the time being.

Later on she sees another degrading Ians post and says enough. She calls him a name or two.

Do you really think the lady from Kentucky has not been insulted? Do you really think she started it?

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#527347 Apr 29, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I like being called a devil. And satan. And evil.
I like it SOOOOO much.
Thank you and have a wonderful day.
Don't forget...wicked, immoral, demoniac and angel of darkness.

However...they only call you those things because they love you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527348 Apr 29, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
also if you are native of this land
you suppose to have tomahavk,arrows,bow arrow, turkey feeders on your head,and dance loud shrie"hu hu au au ua ua sus sus de de by bu buuu
and go to wage war with your close nighbour having different name-
for example you are Huroni and your neighbour is iroquesi?
it seems to me native born people in this land are losers-indians with their last fate- second time to be removed by God from this land, because they were before parasities of this land, and gave birthday to the parasities destroy this land-'"so called native americans"
have good day native born american?
Woah.....
Nick

Australia

#527349 Apr 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Please show us the unambiguous and uncontradicted scripture that shows us that for a fact. If you can't, then thank you for your opinion.
<quoted text>
Perhaps. Or perhaps it is you that misunderstands. Please show us the unambiguous and uncontradicted scripture that shows us that I have misunderstood for a fact. If you can't, then thank you once again for your opinion.
Do you not understand that what you believe is of no value to me?- just what you know and can demonstrate.
<quoted text>
They do if you can't demonstrate convincingly that those scriptures weren't descriptions of the earth as it was understood by the people that wrote them.
Dan ch4 v5 and v6 explains it was a dream Nebuchadnezzer saw and visions that troubled him and wanted to know the interpretation of the dream.

Matt ch4 v8 is also mentioned in Luke ch4 v5.

At the end of the day it is for you to seek understanding through God's Spirit for the true context and meaning. If your not genuinely willing then there is no point, no matter what anyone shows you.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527350 Apr 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
Bad guys gonna git ya.
Libs gonna give our country away.
Muslims are terrorists.
Illegals are taking over California.
Helpless, threatened and paranoid.
Yeah, you.
But bad guys ain't gonna git me...

Libs are giving the country away...

Some Muslims ARE terrorists....

Illegals are NOT taking over anything - except the brainless labor jobs.

Helpless, threatened and paranoid.

Not me.

Informed. Me.

Deluded. You.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527351 Apr 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Please don't give me the "we're a nation of immigrants" line.... We're not.
I know what isn't American; Middle East culture.
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Threatened, helpless and paranoid.
Baseless, uniformed accusation.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527352 Apr 29, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet you take no issue with an American calling another American woman out, to be falsely imprisoned due to simply donning a Hijab?
She is not an immigrant...she was born here....
No, I have no problem with that. Because it can't and won't happen. She was simply expressing her anger.

But if that "born here" citizen was aiding or abetting terrorism in any way, I think she deserves the death penalty.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527353 Apr 29, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
I could be mistaken but I think he's hitting on you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =NNmEQpy0WncXX
Tide seems like a man of many talents and he also seems quite intelligent. It's odd that he didn't know what "take out tcp" meant.

Sock it to me, sock it to me, sock it to me.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527354 Apr 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Descending.
About to lose wifi.
Catcher out.
Helpless...threatened....paran oid.....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527355 Apr 29, 2013
_-Alice-_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Cool, have Jesus hold the door for you on the way out.
Exit ==========> that way.
I thought the exit was stage left.....

<=========that way.

Since: Jul 10

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#527356 Apr 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I do, if by attack you mean rebut and ridicule those beliefs.
<quoted text>
Me, too.
<quoted text>
Me, too.
Rebut something with sound facts is good, but ridicule tends to just get the other person's back up and then they just react to what we have said to them rather than respond to the rebuttal with their own 'sound' facts. It seems kind of human nature that when we are personally attacked we deal with the personal attack rather than the subject being discussed. It is hard to break that, but the best way is to not play the same game that they want to play.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#527357 Apr 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:

Yes, I've read it and I know it.
You imply that your added attention gives you a better understanding of the bible, and that when our opinions differ, yours trumps mine. I disagree.
Oh, I see.

So if I were to read a neuroscience book if be just as good at debating it as a seasoned neuroscientist that has studied it for decades?

Is it really that simple?
Here's why:
[1] The bible was not written by a god
I have never implied that is was. That's not even biblical.
[2] Believers read their bibles with a confirmation bias.
That's your assumption and you know it.
[3] You've shown us repeatedly how difficult it is for you to read and reproduce an idea without altering it.


Another opinion?
Recently, we have twice seen you attempt to pull rank and overturn unbelievers' takes on your bible's cosmology, once over domes and vaults, and again over a flat earth.
But in neither case could you produce anything definitive - nothing unambiguous nor contradicted elsewhere - to rebut those reads.
Quote the contrary, I offered historical evidence, biblical evidence and most importantly - common sense.

You choose to believe what you do, partly because of your despise of "the church" and partly because of your ignorance.

So I can say that it's only partly your fault.

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#527358 Apr 29, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. it seems Chris sees the world as an evil place and without a savior, humanity is doomed ..
.. that's depressing ..
Depressing, and in my case it makes me angry because I think of the people who get sucked into these "Rapture" scares and do really dumb things which always harms their families.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#527359 Apr 29, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
lol lol I knew a older woman many years ago who had some sons.
They go out drinkin and parting.lol and come home to her house.
She say great day in the mornin thoses boys got to scrapin cause
they got out and got into that devil volkaka again.lol lol.
Just sharing.
LOL!
I used ta do that too. It was a ritual for a while. HEY! We helped ta expand the local police dept. I never got no awards for it though. Some appreciation huh?
hahah hah!

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