Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Nick

Australia

#525904 Apr 26, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
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I have told you how. In the post you are responding to. Is that how you read the bible as well?
I dont know what you mean. Are you willing to explain what you mean?

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#525905 Apr 26, 2013
Have a great day ....

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#525906 Apr 26, 2013
Nick wrote:
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I dont know what you mean. Are you willing to explain what you mean?
You wrote; "Jesus died for the gays too."

It's possible, that I took that statement the wrong way so can you tell me what you meant by that?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525907 Apr 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It didn't take you long to swan dive into the ad hominem gutter.
G_O_D wrote:
We have all been waiting for you to crawl out of it for over a month. Seems the only way you can communicate anymore.
You gravitate to the schoolyard level of wit, don't you?

I communicate that way with those of you who feel free to judge me in a personal and derogatory way in these threads. You know that. It began for you after you crossed that line unapologetically.

And you just saw me send a gentle nudge Riverside Redneck's way after reading, "You just cherry picked a 'favorite law' yourself. It's spelled 'hypocrite', in case you were wondering." That was delivered in response to my noting that, "If your old law is in effect, then stone your unruly children to death." I contrasted that with the homophobic OT scriptures.

His conclusion was in error, and his comment was a gratuitous personal insult. He could have handled that any number of other ways. He might have said, "Aren't you being a little unfair?" or "aren't you applying a double standard?" I would have tried to defend my choice, and explain why I didn't think so.

But he chose to conclude that I was a hypocrite, and to call me that. That would be unacceptable even if he were correct about what I had done, but he was wrong. As my wiki definition attested, cherry picking, is an attempt to misrepresent a source by applying a confirmation bias to his/its words to depict it as something that it is not. It is akin to quote mining and taking prose out of context.

Clearly, I did not do that there. I simply picked one of many Old Testament laws that Christians consider no longer binding, and another that they do. There are dozens more I could have chosen of each variety - scriptures about forbidding the yoking together of certain animals, scriptures forbidding socializing with menstruating women, and scriptures proscribing the wearing of textiles blends. Any of them would make the point that some OT laws are ignored today.

And right beside them are the other scriptures that Christians will still wag in your face. Any of them could be used as examples of the other variety. How could I possibly cherry pick from such an assortment, since all OT laws are examples of one kind or the other?

He was simply wrong, and he compounded his error with an aspersion. Once you choose that path, I will join you. Those of you that choose to make mistakes and go on the offensive by issuing personal attacks in response to an idea can expect to dealt with in kind.

To the rest of you, I remain civil. I have been with Juice, with Nick, and most recently with Cheriann. I may harshly denounce their beliefs, but I won't attack them unless they throw the first bomb.

You have been an egregious offender, which is why I will end this post not with "I think that you are mistaken," but rather, using your own preferred language, you're a liar and a moron for saying that such language is the only way I can communicate, Dunce, when clearly, I am selective about whom I treat thusly.

You don't like it, do you, Dunce? But it was your decision to go there, and you don't deserve better in return. Try to be a man and take your just desserts without blaming others.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525908 Apr 26, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
Great post Teddy.
Thanks, Juice.

Incidentally, I couldn't find where you and the professor were registered, so I made a substantial contribution to the Human Fund in your name as your gift.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525909 Apr 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
We don't have to show deference to that nasty religion, so why would we? It's our time now. If the church won't stand down, knock it down.
LupyLu wrote:
Brilliant! Great idea.
Now I know that you're just funnin' me.

Can you suggest an alternative approach that doesn't include compromise with a church that never did that for us? We want the church out of our lives completely. If it won't give us that, we'll have to take it, or accept their terms. We don't need to, we don't want to, and the church deserves no consideration. Do you think that we don't have the right to take that attitude, or do you merely regret it?

It's up to the church to pick one: back off or be pushed off. I think that we both know how that will play out.

And it won't affect you in Australia, where I believe that your church has already been house trained. And even if you were American, it still wouldn't affect you. American Christians, like Australian Christians, will always be free to read their bibles and pray. What else do you want?
Nick

Australia

#525910 Apr 26, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote; "Jesus died for the gays too."
It's possible, that I took that statement the wrong way so can you tell me what you meant by that?
All have fallen short since all have sinned. Jesus died for all sinners, that is love unfathamable. Jesus loves the gays too. Gays if they are willing to come to Christ and believe in him, repent and turn away from their own ways of a gay life can still be saved and be a new creation in Him.

Since: Dec 12

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#525911 Apr 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks, Juice.
Incidentally, I couldn't find where you and the professor were registered, so I made a substantial contribution to the Human Fund in your name as your gift. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =JJvbZZWt9g4XX
That's very kind of you Teddy. We didn't register, we eloped. I do love Seinfeld, thank you :-)

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#525912 Apr 26, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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If someone were to come up to you and spread their vaginal juices on your arm, would you be disgusted or be thankful?
Answer the question, it proves you wrong. The fact that it is disgusting means it is filthy.
You enjoy pretending your cult is the right way, but all you've shown is that it's horribly evil.
By the way, one wouldn't be filthy from anal sex because one is not "smeared with" or "covered with" feces.
Besides, even if they were, you have failed to acknowledge the fact that when they clean themselves, they are no longer dirty.
Ergo they are not "filthy human beings."
Many more straight people than gay people have anal sex too, you know.
So you're calling straight people filthy too.
Yes. Straight people who commit anal sex, are vile filthy human beings as well...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/filthy

Does not matter if they are gay men or straight men. But it's particularly more filthy and vile for you because homosexuality is your mindset. Does not matter if you take a shower. Your mindset is to have anal sex with men. It's your >>mindset<< and >>thought life<< that makes the homosexual man a filthy and vile human being. That's not an opinion, by fact, that is what you are. Your mindset is to be smeared with filth via anal sex, that by definition makes you filthy and vile.

Same with your example of a Bigot. Bigotry is a mindset and an act. But a bigot does not go all day committing bigotry, it's in their thoughts and their mind. The same with the homosexual man that his mindset is to have anal sex with another man.

So once again mr homosexual man. By your own logic if you want to call a person that is against homosexuals getting married a bigot, then [you]by your sexual practices, are a English language defined vile and filthy person. In fact the English Language calls you worse, I'm being kind.

Many Christians here say because of their stance against gay marriage, they don't mind being called a bigot. Why don't you stop being a Coward and accept by English language definition what you're, a vile and filthy human being. Embrace, what you are.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#525913 Apr 26, 2013
Ashamed wrote:
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Did Skombolis not go to other threads and bring this on himself? Maybe they stormed in but he did
The same to them in other threads. There have been many called a liar by Skombolis. His post can be
Some of the most hateful ones ever seen on Topix.
So I ask why are so many of the posters gone that use to post here on the Golden Thread?
I can't render no opinion on the writings of Skombolis on other threads, I never see them.

I not know those writers you talking about that is gone. I come here around early last year and almost all of those writers still here. Many say they leaving, but they came back. Skombolis will come back as well.

So this writing of yours is best directed to others writers that know what you're talking about.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#525914 Apr 26, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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You guys are having quite a food fight.
Keep your excitement in check Mr.

Since: Dec 12

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#525915 Apr 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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<quoted text>
Now I know that you're just funnin' me.
Can you suggest an alternative approach that doesn't include compromise with a church that never did that for us? We want the church out of our lives completely. If it won't give us that, we'll have to take it, or accept their terms. We don't need to, we don't want to, and the church deserves no consideration. Do you think that we don't have the right to take that attitude, or do you merely regret it?
It's up to the church to pick one: back off or be pushed off. I think that we both know how that will play out.
And it won't affect you in Australia, where I believe that your church has already been house trained. And even if you were American, it still wouldn't affect you. American Christians, like Australian Christians, will always be free to read their bibles and pray. What else do you want?
Let me see if I get this right.

You are now lecturing me for agreeing with you 100%?

Religions affect the whole damn world Teddy, I'm pretty sure you know this. We are also America's allies so if something big goes down over there, it does affect us.

Seems to me, you were devoted and then found out you were lied to, this angered and hurt you.

I hope that you don't think you are the only person this has happened to.

I want religion annihilated, completely, by any means necessary.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525916 Apr 26, 2013
Nick wrote:
I notice all your referrences are in the OT which was for a different generation.
That's your theology. Others see it differently:

“I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile (sic) long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.”- North Carolina Pastor Charles Worley

"God hates fags" - Pastor Fred Phelps

Even if we agree to see it your way, so what? It's still your timeless and perfect god, is it not? These moral offenses against man are not forgiven just because they're old. Why would they be? There is no statute of limitations on murder.
Nick wrote:
I bet you wont find one verse in the NT to kill which apply for generations after Jesus. The new commandment of Jesus is to LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR!!!
Even if you are correct, once again, so what? This appeal is as empty as Jeff Dahmer telling the jury that he hadn't eaten anybody in months. So what? Still guilty, just like your god.

Your god remains guilty of a crime that infinitely more heinous: damnation of souls. That is so heinous a moral crime - so over the top - that if your god were real, and it were in our power, we would be justified in attacking and killing it, and releasing those poor souls from hell.

You can't make that god look like anything less that the most horrible monster in all of fiction. Can you name one? Not even Satan, who was created by that god, who continues to exist at its pleasure, and who was given free reign over earth and a kingdom in hell, is nearly that bad.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#525917 Apr 26, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me see if I get this right.
You are now lecturing me for agreeing with you 100%?
Religions affect the whole damn world Teddy, I'm pretty sure you know this. We are also America's allies so if something big goes down over there, it does affect us.
Seems to me, you were devoted and then found out you were lied to, this angered and hurt you.
I hope that you don't think you are the only person this has happened to.
I want religion annihilated, completely, by any means necessary.
That is impossible. Even secular humanists are considered practicing a religion. even the people that don't think they are religious are religious.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525918 Apr 26, 2013
Nick wrote:
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God always existed !
Existence means having a physical persistence in a segment of time. Science has shown us that time may have begun with the Big Bang. If so, hat would rule out the existence of anything before the first moment. In fact, the phrase "before time" makes no more sense than referring to a land south of the south pole.

Or, perhaps, time always existed, and our universe as well.

It is special pleading to insist that something could have always existed, but that that something must be a god. There is no reason to believe that that is the case. The god hypothesis adds nothing.
You don't answer the question of where everything came from with a god, because you are left not knowing where the god came from. And if you don't care, or don't need an answer, don't bother us insisting that you do for our world, especially when you reject all scientific speculations like eternally oscillating bang-crunch universes, multiverses, and uncaused singularities. They work as well as a god with much less complexity.
Nick

Australia

#525919 Apr 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your theology. Others see it differently:
“I figured a way out — a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. But I couldn’t get it passed through Congress. Build a great big large fence, 150 or 100 mile (sic) long. Put all the lesbians in there. Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals. Have that fence electrified so they can’t get out. Feed ‘em, and– And you know what? In a few years they’ll die out. You know why? They can’t reproduce.”- North Carolina Pastor Charles Worley
"God hates fags" - Pastor Fred Phelps
Even if we agree to see it your way, so what? It's still your timeless and perfect god, is it not? These moral offenses against man are not forgiven just because they're old. Why would they be? There is no statute of limitations on murder.
<quoted text>
Even if you are correct, once again, so what? This appeal is as empty as Jeff Dahmer telling the jury that he hadn't eaten anybody in months. So what? Still guilty, just like your god.
Your god remains guilty of a crime that infinitely more heinous: damnation of souls. That is so heinous a moral crime - so over the top - that if your god were real, and it were in our power, we would be justified in attacking and killing it, and releasing those poor souls from hell.
You can't make that god look like anything less that the most horrible monster in all of fiction. Can you name one? Not even Satan, who was created by that god, who continues to exist at its pleasure, and who was given free reign over earth and a kingdom in hell, is nearly that bad.
I don't agree with gays choice of being gay.
I don't agree putting them in a place surrounded by electric fence and dropping food, it's inhumane.

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#525920 Apr 26, 2013
Nick wrote:
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All have fallen short since all have sinned. Jesus died for all sinners, that is love unfathamable. Jesus loves the gays too. Gays if they are willing to come to Christ and believe in him, repent and turn away from their own ways of a gay life can still be saved and be a new creation in Him.
Rightio.

I didn't get the wrong impression and will happily tell you what I meant.

The only way one would consider homosexuality a sin, this is assuming 'sin' even exists, is if one lived in the world of man and flesh.

Jesus taught us to live "in and of the spirit".

Another word for 'spirit' is 'soul'.

Jesus taught that it matters not what goes in, what matters is what comes out. He used the mouth and eating as an analogy, analogies and parables were used quite a lot in the bible so that the unrighteous who changed it for their own evil purposes, would not understand Jesus and therefore would not remove all his teachings.

What goes in can be cleansed, regardless of whether it is food, seed or sexual penetration of any kind.

What comes out, our words and deeds, is left out in the atmosphere and the ones we hurt. Those come out of our hearts and our souls.

We are made in our Creator's image, our souls are a part of God. As we were made male and female, The Most High is also male and female. Our DNA and our souls, are male and female. Love and lust come from our souls.

When two souls merge and become as one, it is a holy experience that strengthens and revitalises us. No one can control who's soul, spirit, ours will choose.

Because the very core of us, what is housed in our 'flesh', our spirit and our blood, is both male and female. This homophobic garbage has no bearing on righteousness. That is a man made concept of this world and of flesh.

Many things in the bible are corrupted this way in order for the 'elite' to control, dull and blind the masses. There is an evil reason for this and the bible happens to explain it all, many do not see, do not understand. Christianity in particular, is a very wide road indeed, paved with gold and the blood of the innocent.

That time has ended.

“THIS TOPIX ACCOUNT IS CLOSED”

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#525921 Apr 26, 2013
Nick wrote:
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I don't agree with gays choice of being gay.
I don't agree putting them in a place surrounded by electric fence and dropping food, it's inhumane.
Where do they put gays in a place surrounded by electric fences and dropping food....... This sounds more like a zoo!!!!

Since: Dec 12

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#525922 Apr 26, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>That is impossible. Even secular humanists are considered practicing a religion. even the people that don't think they are religious are religious.
Religiosity is a man made concept that is not needed in order to connect with God Tri.

I absolutely will not fight with you. Not with you.

Think about it. Forget Paul, forget the romans. Read Psalms and the words of Jesus, spoken by Jesus only. Think on our history for the past 2000 years and look at the world today, objectively.

Forget everything you've been told and think for yourself.

It's a good start.

All religions are no different to politics, good or evil.

"The Most High God who sits among the gods", made good and evil in everything, like night and day was made, male and female, balance.

There is a design. There is a reason. Jesus died, killed by religion + government. To tell us this.

I look around now that I am reborn and I cry. I cry because Jesus seems to have been nailed to a cross for naught. For all of us but only the tiniest, narrowest path is available due to evil having had succeeded in blinding humans.

We were meant for so much more.

Love, Lu.
Nick

Australia

#525923 Apr 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Existence means having a physical persistence in a segment of time. Science has shown us that time may have begun with the Big Bang. If so, hat would rule out the existence of anything before the first moment. In fact, the phrase "before time" makes no more sense than referring to a land south of the south pole.
Or, perhaps, time always existed, and our universe as well.
It is special pleading to insist that something could have always existed, but that that something must be a god. There is no reason to believe that that is the case. The god hypothesis adds nothing.
You don't answer the question of where everything came from with a god, because you are left not knowing where the god came from. And if you don't care, or don't need an answer, don't bother us insisting that you do for our world, especially when you reject all scientific speculations like eternally oscillating bang-crunch universes, multiverses, and uncaused singularities. They work as well as a god with much less complexity.
God is eternal. God by his breathe and spoke and created the whole universe, he didnt even lift a finger. That is unfathamable power.

It could of been a bang when it happened and sprung into existance.

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