Nick

Australia

#525458 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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How does the universe indicate that it was created by a god, or by your god in particular? It doesn't.
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Science has made the concept of a god superfluous. History proves that men make up gods and religions.
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Your god can be ruled out. But gods in general cannot, and there is no value in ruling them out. Skeptics don't need proof, and faith based thinkers don't care about it.
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Even if true, that should be plenty for you, as assumptions are good enough for faith based thinkers.
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This is what I was referring to: assumptions are plenty for the religious. You choose to assume that the science is wrong and the theology correct, then criticize assumption.
Science confirm that a source of energy holds the universe in place. Engery is constantly at work. E=M(Csquare)

That source of energy is God. It shows off His Splender, Power and Awe. Nothing compares to His Majesty and Might !

Science can't explain how and why the universe came about from nothing since Science proves something created can't come from nothing.

This is God at work !!

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#525459 Apr 25, 2013
Have a PEACE filled day today Friends

GOD BLESS!!
Nick

Australia

#525460 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I feel that way about all of the gospels. Who is Luke? Luke who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_th...
The bibles confirms you can not trust your feeling!
They can let you down!

Luke is a well educated physician a close associate of Paul. Luke wrote the gospel while Paul was in prison by the Romans about 60AD.
Luke confirms Jesus as the Saviour of the whole world.
That is the Facts!

The Romans also later woke up and realised the diety of Jesus and turned to Jesus as their God.
I find that amazing !!!!!!!!!

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#525461 Apr 25, 2013
Cool.....The Icon Fairy is bothered by my posts....They think they are all spam or clueless....

Mmmmmwaa....** Epi throwing a kiss to IF**

So Let me leave you with this.....Today's "Our Daily Bread" which is on...

Tough to Love...

"Now for a time of about forty years [God] put up with their ways in the wilderness." ~Acts 13:18

Give us Your patience, Lord, for anyone in our lives who is difficult to Love....

Be as patient with others as God has been with you.....

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525462 Apr 25, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Never fault the students for the errors of their teachers.
Which is why we blame the church's clergy (teachers) and its dogma (curriculum), not the rank and file believer. The church is the primary problem.
Nick

Australia

#525463 Apr 25, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Answering questions with a myth is self-deception.
Well instead of making a comment why do.t you give some answer on the program and design of a seed if Science can't??

It is all Gods program and perfect design !!!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525465 Apr 25, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
My goal as a teacher is for my students is for them to teach themselves.
Chess Jurist wrote:
They'll be far better off that way, I'm sure.
He asked for that. Funny.
Nick

Australia

#525466 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What is just about faith? Faith is not a virtue. You can have faith in anything. Or its opposite.
Rom 1.17, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 5.1, Having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Love is a virtue !

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#525467 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That was a pretty good joke, too.
The Palin joke is the one that miffed Buck Crick for over a year. You remember that one, don't you?
Of course, he was also seeing double for months after one of us called the story of the virgin from Nazareth a rape report.
What would be Buck's take on this bunch?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#525468 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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No, Dunce. I'm a married man. My relationship with Juice is innocent and wholesome.
You've been cyber-cuckolded, haven't you?
They have their own "wedding" thread now.
mike

AOL

#525469 Apr 25, 2013
Truths wrote:
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Your welcome friend (c:
But using mere humans as your excuse to not want God juuuuuust doesn't cut it. It is a fib that many nons put up in front of us while resisting God's voice in their heart and lives.
We readily admit that we are just the same as youz <3 But with higher hopes in our future (c; *wink*
Thanks

Mere people are the only ones talking about a GOD, a GOD doesn't speak.

Higher hope?...most professing christians know everything, they don't hope.
mike

AOL

#525470 Apr 25, 2013
Truths wrote:
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Actually THEY do .
<<<<<<<SM OOOOOCH>>>>> >>>
Only words?

Simplify things and do a thing!
mike

AOL

#525472 Apr 25, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Yes, I agree on the last part definitely, but we all are in the dark on the first part, though what little evidence exists kind of leans a bit the way of the non-believers.
Hello, thanks for the reply.

Humans instinctively sense there is something else, unfortunately those who scramble to find value in themselves want to define the something else for others.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525473 Apr 25, 2013
Lacez wrote:
Maybe they'll have faith they can fly and jump off a bridge. Oh wait, then faith isn't all that good?
No, it's not. It's bad. How can faith be good? It's a guess.

Faith can be in anything, however absurd. Of course you can have faith in jumping off of cliffs. I'm sure that people jumped into volcanoes on faith. If there were a religion recommending either, the faithful would be praised, and would jump.
mike

AOL

#525474 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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"I heard a man loudly exclaim,'I am a christian!' Then I watched him awhile and decided I would not be" - Oukah
Hello

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525475 Apr 25, 2013
Nick wrote:
Science confirm that a source of energy holds the universe in place.
Sorry, Nick, but that is meaningless. I already know that you cannot show me anything that supports that claim. What you might find is an account of dark energy accelerating the universe's expansion. And there is evidence that the universe may be rotating. These would be the only known motions of the universe, not motion within a larger space.

There is known space in which the universe moves, although the multiverse, if it exists, might be such a thing. If such a place for our universe to move exists, we have no knowledge of it, nor even what it means to say that the universe does or does not move in it, if it anchored, or how.

When you're dealing with evidence based thinkers, you need to provide more that opinions and wild, unsupported claims.
Nick wrote:
Engery is constantly at work. E=M(Csquare)
Wrong.

Potential energy is not at work. Work requires energy transfer, as when an object is moved through a gravitational or electric field.
Nick wrote:
That source of energy is God.
Faith is guessing. You're just guessing now, and claiming that your guesses are fact. We need less of that kind of thinking. It has no value.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525476 Apr 25, 2013
Nick wrote:
Science can't explain how and why the universe came about from nothing since Science proves something created can't come from nothing.
Science does no such thing. What we know about the behavior of small pieces of the universe does not necessarily apply at the largest scales. From Wiki:

"The fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole (or even of every proper part). For example: "This fragment of metal cannot be fractured with a hammer, therefore the machine of which it is a part cannot be fractured with a hammer." This is clearly fallacious, because many machines can be broken-apart, without any of those parts being fracturable."

Hang around and we'll teach you how to think usefully. No progress has ever been made by guessing and calling it fact. Au contraire: that method has held man back.

Your bible, for example, has revealed nothing useful about the universe. It's full of bad guesses, such as the one about a flat earth with edges immovably mounted on pillars, or a dome over the sky separating waters above it from waters below. That's all nonsense.

All useful knowledge about reality was gleaned from observation of it using reason.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525477 Apr 25, 2013
Nick wrote:
The bibles confirms you can not trust your feeling! They can let you down!
Feelings can be misleading, such as the intuition that a father figure watches over us and protects us from harm. But how does your bible prove that?

How does the bible prove anything nontrivial? Books can't prove anything about the world apart from the fact that it contains books.
Nick wrote:
Luke confirms Jesus as the Saviour of the whole world. That is the Facts!
The only fact confirmed by the Gospel of Luke is that something called the Gospel of Luke exists. That's it. It could contain anything or its opposite, and it would still be the Gospel of Luke, and it would still prove nothing.

You should probably abandon the use of words like fact, proof, knowledge, truth, evidence and reason. What you have is faith in guesses, nothing more. It produces nothing useful unless you consider false hope useful, and I for one don't.
Nick wrote:
The Romans also later woke up and realised the diety of Jesus and turned to Jesus as their God. I find that amazing !!!!!!!!!
Not really. It was about three centuries later, and it was due to the pragmatic political decision of an emperor.
Nick

Australia

#525478 Apr 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Sorry, Nick, but that is meaningless. I already know that you cannot show me anything that supports that claim. What you might find is an account of dark energy accelerating the universe's expansion. And there is evidence that the universe may be rotating. These would be the only known motions of the universe, not motion within a larger space.
There is known space in which the universe moves, although the multiverse, if it exists, might be such a thing. If such a place for our universe to move exists, we have no knowledge of it, nor even what it means to say that the universe does or does not move in it, if it anchored, or how.
When you're dealing with evidence based thinkers, you need to provide more that opinions and wild, unsupported claims.
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Wrong.
Potential energy is not at work. Work requires energy transfer, as when an object is moved through a gravitational or electric field.
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Faith is guessing. You're just guessing now, and claiming that your guesses are fact. We need less of that kind of thinking. It has no value.
Sorry too, So far what you have shared is also meaningless.

In the OT 3000 years ago the bible mentions that space is stretched like a curtain. It is only now through science can we confirm this as fact !

At that time no-one could comprehend or prove it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#525479 Apr 25, 2013
Nick wrote:
Rom 1.17, The just shall live by faith.
Nonsense. We have seen the injustice of faith manifest in several ways here in this thread. I have felt it.

Justice requires character. It means doing what is right according to a program of egalitarianism and empathy. It often requires courage. I don't see any of that coming from the faithful here.

I see cliquishness and cowardice. I see verbal sniping. I see scapegoating gays and making their lives more difficult and dangerous.

Where is the justice in denying gay couples equal protection under the law? Where is the justice in the Roman Catholic Church? There will be none until secular authorities demand it.

Where is the justice in blaming me for Adam's sins? Where is the justice in requiring torturing somebody on the cross? Where is the justice in eternal torment for a petty charge? Where is the justice in forgiveness on demand, or salvation without making amends?
Nick wrote:
Rom 5.1, Having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
You are not justified by faith. You merely forgive yourselves. You may feel better about yourself for it, but you are not justified in the eyes of the rest of us.

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