Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#524510 Apr 23, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>
And genetics say that as well.
People who have a history of addiction in their family have much higher chances of becoming an addicted to that item.
You prove your ignorance through this entire comment and I will point out where.
<quoted text>
Abusing children isn't in genetics but a tendency and a inhibition to abuse children. It is not a choice to become a pedophile, for example, but a person is just a pedophile. The difference between the pedophile and the child molester is the choice to get help to control the urges or to go out and molest children.
It is defined as a mental deficiency due to the fact that others can come to harm if acted upon.
Once again, your ignorance is evident.
<quoted text>
Look back to the comment of alcoholism.
Ignorance once again displayed.
<quoted text>
Indoctrination. When you are taught all your life to do something a certain way, then that's how you believe things to be. Same as you, you have been taught by your parents probably, and the church, to hate gay individuals.
Ignorance yet again.
<quoted text>
There is no "right" to harm anyone or anything.
If you truly believe that anyone advocates for a person's right to kill or abuse, then yet again, you are messed up in the head.
You cannot compare gay individuals to murderers because there is no harm being done.
Besides, the fact that you are TRYING to compare gay individuals to murderers proves that you are a bigot. You are showing extreme intolerance and hate towards gay individuals.
<quoted text>
If you don't believe in psychology, then I really can't continue this discussion because you are obviously horribly uneducated in the matter.
People choose whether they want to get the no-name brand or the well-known brand. They DON'T choose whether they like chocolate over vanilla. That is an attraction that you can't change.
If you like chocolate more than vanilla or vice-versa, then that's how it is.
You are so ignorant, it's unbelievable.
You haven't NOTICED in your..uuuhm...?studies?... that IF an action harms another such as child and spouse abusers- they say it is NOT genetic...but if it is self indulgence in substances or sex...IT's GENETIC?

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#524511 Apr 23, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I gotta stand with ya on that Annie.
What happened there really got to me too. I guess it was obvious. I didn't want ta post when I was seething, so I refrained.
I think that several of us tried not to answer ugliness with ugliness.

My thoughts...

We non-Christians are often asked why we left the faith. When we try to explain...what we get in return...(not always but often)...are insults and name-calling. Often we are told that our explanation is a lie...they come up with their own scenario...makes you wonder why they even bothered to ask.

Over the life of that thread DoC was attacked often for his posts...he handled it with grace and dignity...I don't recall him ever answering with retaliation.
mike

AOL

#524512 Apr 23, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> As I've said in my other post to you.......Hell and destruction will be your portion.
Only because you fail to show the "Love" of a GOD, therefore, many will reject the GOD you represent.

It comes down to what you do, not what you say.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#524513 Apr 23, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
All you need is Faith boots.
You can believe anything with faith. Or its opposite. What good is that?
psalms 23 wrote:
If one is truly wanting to know if God exist, then would'nt it be smart to go by his directions in the BOOK (Holy Bible), instead of looking under a microscope or in the endless trails in the theory's of science?
Nope.

You've got to look at something that you know was made by the creative force to understand it. Whether the source for our universe was a sentient being, unconscious laws, or something else, if you want to understand that source, you have to study the universe.

The book is an obvious counterfeit. It got almost nothing right about the universe.
psalms 23 wrote:
The simplicity of knowing and having a relationship with God/Jesus is not a scientific method, and does not require math problems, equations and the measure of time space and matter..
The belief in your god not only does not require an understanding of science, an understanding of science works against a belief in your god. Just ask scientists what they believe, and compare that to non-scientists.
psalms 23 wrote:
The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists:
So what? What if it said to jump off a cliff?
psalms 23 wrote:
If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith.
If somebody asks you to trust them that could just as easily have offered you evidence, you shouldn't trust them. It' a red flag for an abusive and manipulative personality.

What happened to the miracles from your god? They seem to have stopped right around the time that everybody had a camera in their phone or iPad.

=======

"Seems to me that Christians worship the incredible shrinking god. I mean at one time it was supposedly capable of flinging thousands of billions of galaxies into existence with a mere thought. By the time of Noah, it was reduced to flooding an insignificant speck in the cosmos.

"By the time of Moses, its best trick was moving a tiny portion of a minor sea aside for a short while. By the time of Jesus, it has to send a delegate on its behalf who leaves behind only rumors that he was able to turn water into another beverage, or render himself extra buoyant.

"Now it counts as a miracle if a water stain grows mold that kind of looks like a bearded face which could be claimed to resemble this supposed delegate. How much more pathetic can this god get? How do Christians manage to sing praises of its glory and greatness without feeling like fools--or at best, like new parents gushing over their toddler's ability to make a pee." – Kronk

Since: Jul 10

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#524514 Apr 23, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>specifics please. what books did were remove from the canon, and which ones were added to the canon?
There are different bibles with more books. It's no big deal, it's only repetitive. Some books some bible editions removed, due to repetition. an easy explanation.
Can you name the 40,000 branches of Christianity?
You exaggerate to feed your doubt. That is your right.
What you don;t believe happened, is simply what [you] don't believe happened.
it always come backs, to [you]. it is always, on [you].
trifecta1, why be so defensive? I don't know, off the top of my head, what books were added later and what books were taken out later. I learned that stuff (some of it) years ago, and today it is of no importance to me. Kind of like I know man has gone to outer space and I know that he has vehicles that he used to do that, but I couldn't explain how all that works. I have been to Cape Canaveral (Kennedy) twice, I think.

The things I know (or don't know) about God and the Bible are based on material facts, or lack of them, whereas the things you know and believe about God are based on belief, because currently there are no facts, that can be verified.

The bottom line, trifecta1, is that billions in the world believe there is a god, or gods (in some cases), but not one person in the world can present material evidence or even evidence (such as with gravity) which is not material but evidence that is material, will prove what one can't see. We can't see gravity or the actual wind, but we can easily see how they affect material things.

If the books were God inspired, then why would there be books that contradicted other books, yet believers believe each book is God's truth? No I can't give you books and chapters now, but that argument with evidence has been presented so many times that it is not hard to find. Because it is of no importance to me, I do not remember specifics.

The best "evidence" that I have heard believers give for God is that 'you will see when you die', which is not evidence but a threat that if you don't start believing now, something very horrible will happen to you. Yet there is not one single human being has ever proved that hell exists (other than hell of their own making, or the making of those who controlled their lives, while they were living).

What you believe happened is simply what you believed happened (as you said to me) if you can't show another human being evidence that will irrefutably prove what you say, and I know that currently you cannot do that. You could be right and you could be wrong, but neither you nor I today can find evidence to show that.

I cannot show you evidence that God doesn't exist, because as mentioned in the various threads I have been on here, thousands of times, evidence of nothing is impossible.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#524515 Apr 23, 2013
simplyput wrote:
Why does it bother you if he calls it a billboard?
Why does it bother you that he corrected the Derp? This is a venue for discussion. Maybe Derp learned something.

Just kidding.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#524516 Apr 23, 2013
Truths wrote:
<quoted text>
Respectfully I say: As the scripture you provided earlier attest is right for me to do---The problem with your delivery of His word- is that you insulted the man for having told you one of his problems with the word. How can anyone want to read the info you provide when the post is started in an UnChristian way?
Deb..........I hear and understand what you are saying, and here is where you and I obviously differ, I have no problem at all with Booosts and others not being able to believe, but the problem that I do find irritating is that he and others go completely out of their way to disrespect our faith and make the most hateful and blasphemous statement against our Lord Savior and God, I realize that the enemy is behind their motivations, but I will call this aberrant and disrespectful behavior out as often as I will, if you find that to be "unchristian" then I am sorry, but nothing that I have said to Booosts is untrue and I have been dealing with him for awhile now, he came to this thread complaining about our posting scripture on what is a christian based thread, constantly calling for "proof" of our God's existence as well as other dismissals of our beliefs.

I stand again by what I have described him as having an unblessed mind that is tossed up in calling bad good and good bad, and darkness light and vice versa. Blessings.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#524517 Apr 23, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice argument.
<quoted text>
Apparently.
You put faith IN man- and what MAN has discovered.
You put your faith in the very beings who have caused the grief of the world . ANYTHING that man has learned which has benefitted people, IS a gift from God meant to benefit us all. Yet people turn it around and use it for their own purposes and self gain. HUMANS are flawed and greedy. Not God.

This poem -which I found a few yrs ago- describes PROOF of God in a perspective that was the same for me...and apparently to many others.

~*~God Believes In You~Ask Him~*~
The evidence of God, is in the
answering of prayers,prayed in FAITH or
OUT of a last ditch effort of a non believer.
Miracles~THAT no hands of humans have caused,
except hands folded together in prayer
to Jesus and OUR Father.
Proof~
that Non believers call miracles
and "signs" coincidence,
YET they are SEEKING and wishing God was real,
so that they too may experience coincidence of
good things coming together for THEMSELVES
~for their OWN peace of mind.
God is proved TRUE~
...when you are so negative you
can NOT stand your own selves, so we try FAITH
and ask for help~
...just in case~it's true.
"Coincidences" have A WHOLE new meaning~
as they become OUR VERY OWN answer to prayer.
Proof~
In THE JOY in a prepared heart that hears Loudly for
the first time,what they once hated and CURSED
as LIES.
Moving forward to the exuberance of a child of wonderment,
seeing for the VERY first TIME
all the Blessings we were bestowed with all along~
that we NEVER once gave thanks for.
HE still BELIEVES in YOU.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#524518 Apr 23, 2013
The birds start to sing before the sun rises ...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#524519 Apr 23, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Ran out of intelligent things to say ?
IN Trifecta's defense, these Internet forums are what in pre-internet computing days were called Bulletin Boards from the non-computer Bill Board.
LOL. Bulletin board comes from billboards? What kind of slop apologetics was that? A bulletin board is not a billboard, nor derived from one.

Do you think that you can make anything true through verbal sleight of hand and loose association like that? Faith based thought probably makes you think so.
G_O_D wrote:
It has nothing to do with the roadside signs of the same name. Trifecta is simply using the original name for what Topix is.
We know that a message board has nothing to do with a roadside billboard. That was the point.

Anyway, you just said it did. You said that one was derived from the other.
G_O_D wrote:
Trifecta is simply using the original name for what Topix is.
Do you think that you just demonstrated that? You didn't. You claimed it.

Show us examples of or references to anybody else using "billboard" as a synonym for "message board" to support your claim. I looked and couldn't find any. I think that you're making this up, too.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#524520 Apr 23, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
What is said in the volume of a book that is believed to be the word of God does not prove the existence of God. One needs to know first that God exists, and then whether God is or could be the author of a book, and then whether what He authored could or could not be true.
Those are some pretty big unknowns.
As I've said before and as always........your argument and your "logic" fails, having to have proof of God's existence before you can believe and / or take his Word under consideration is NOT faith, and babberling it over and time again is not going to help you, and the only unknowns that exists where God is concerned is only in the minds of unbelievers like yourself and others.

John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." 26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." 28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#524521 Apr 23, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>eh?
You lack even the basic skills needed to search up a word on the Internet.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#524522 Apr 23, 2013
Le_le wrote:
Truths wrote:
by contaminating our food sources, medicines and water supply - all for their own personal profit. Those WITH God- do NOT do those things to others. Those WITH God- do not succumb to the level of grief that stops OUR hope .
Hi Deb.
I found this quote from you in one of IANS' posts.
I do not have time to go into the thread and find your original post, so I just copy and pasted the above.
Just wondering..
Shouldn't you have written:
Those WITH God -SHOULD NOT- do those things to other's. And,
Those WITH God -SHOULD NOT- succumb to the level of grief that stops our hope.
??
I see a heck of alot of people claiming to have a heart for God doing those very things, here on
topix and surely in the real world....
Wishing you a great day..Talk with you later..
I agree (((((LeLe)))))))) THOSE truly WITH God- do NOT do those things- many claiming to be speaking for and working for God- are NOT truly His helpers- they are flesh driven to be right,,.,,instead of heart driven to share Jesus. Hopefully- they take counsel from those who try and show them His way.

But you and I - and most of the people here- have already witnessed that many will still stay attached to their own version /c: But every once in awhile- a person will get an understanding, due to the posts of others here.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#524523 Apr 23, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> You are welcome Deb.(C:
We all have to prayerfully ask God to help us to not give in to the flesh in how we post ~ and to NOT post if we are losing patience. Each of us steps into the goop and has cleaned our feet on the rugs of this thread. But His children strive to not let it happen as often in hopes of it not happening at all.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#524524 Apr 23, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>Then you are as crazy as he is.

Seems you make five people that got IANS's back. If he is sooooo right why does he need you and the other four to attack me ?

Let's see, four people agree with whatever he says against me and no one else here agrees with them.

Seems you are in the minority.... and quite wrong. I doubt you even know what the arguement is about anyway.
I don't. You're right.

But I've watched you go from being somewhat reasonable to virtually frothing at the mouth while Ian's has maintained his usual artistry of words.

Very telling.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#524525 Apr 23, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Hello Truths
How does posting on an entertainment site give glory to your GOD?
Who is being helped as a result of your postings?
People need help in real life, not on this entertainment site.
Bible gateway is the bible in all languages and texts online (c:

((((((Mike))))))) Thank you for the post (c:

~*~God Believes In You~Ask Him~*~
The evidence of God, is in the
answering of prayers,prayed in FAITH or
OUT of a last ditch effort of a non believer.
Miracles~THAT no hands of humans have caused,
except hands folded together in prayer
to Jesus and OUR Father.
Proof~
that Non believers call miracles
and "signs" coincidence,
YET they are SEEKING and wishing God was real,
so that they too may experience coincidence of
good things coming together for THEMSELVES
~for their OWN peace of mind.
God is proved TRUE~
...when you are so negative you
can NOT stand your own selves, so we try FAITH
and ask for help~
...just in case~it's true.
"Coincidences" have A WHOLE new meaning~
as they become OUR VERY OWN answer to prayer.
Proof~
In THE JOY in a prepared heart that hears Loudly for
the first time,what they once hated and CURSED
as LIES.
Moving forward to the exuberance of a child of wonderment,
seeing for the VERY first TIME
all the Blessings we were bestowed with all along~
that we NEVER once gave thanks for.
HE still BELIEVES in YOU.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#524526 Apr 23, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
trifecta1, why be so defensive? I don't know, off the top of my head, what books were added later and what books were taken out later. I learned that stuff (some of it) years ago, and today it is of no importance to me. Kind of like I know man has gone to outer space and I know that he has vehicles that he used to do that, but I couldn't explain how all that works. I have been to Cape Canaveral (Kennedy) twice, I think.
The things I know (or don't know) about God and the Bible are based on material facts, or lack of them, whereas the things you know and believe about God are based on belief, because currently there are no facts, that can be verified.
The bottom line, trifecta1, is that billions in the world believe there is a god, or gods (in some cases), but not one person in the world can present material evidence or even evidence (such as with gravity) which is not material but evidence that is material, will prove what one can't see. We can't see gravity or the actual wind, but we can easily see how they affect material things.
If the books were God inspired, then why would there be books that contradicted other books, yet believers believe each book is God's truth? No I can't give you books and chapters now, but that argument with evidence has been presented so many times that it is not hard to find. Because it is of no importance to me, I do not remember specifics.
The best "evidence" that I have heard believers give for God is that 'you will see when you die', which is not evidence but a threat that if you don't start believing now, something very horrible will happen to you. Yet there is not one single human being has ever proved that hell exists (other than hell of their own making, or the making of those who controlled their lives, while they were living).
What you believe happened is simply what you believed happened (as you said to me) if you can't show another human being evidence that will irrefutably prove what you say, and I know that currently you cannot do that. You could be right and you could be wrong, but neither you nor I today can find evidence to show that.
I cannot show you evidence that God doesn't exist, because as mentioned in the various threads I have been on here, thousands of times, evidence of nothing is impossible.
~*~God Believes In You~Ask Him~*~
The evidence of God, is in the
answering of prayers,prayed in FAITH or
OUT of a last ditch effort of a non believer.
Miracles~THAT no hands of humans have caused,
except hands folded together in prayer
to Jesus and OUR Father.
Proof~
that Non believers call miracles
and "signs" coincidence,
YET they are SEEKING and wishing God was real,
so that they too may experience coincidence of
good things coming together for THEMSELVES
~for their OWN peace of mind.
God is proved TRUE~
...when you are so negative you
can NOT stand your own selves, so we try FAITH
and ask for help~
...just in case~it's true.
"Coincidences" have A WHOLE new meaning~
as they become OUR VERY OWN answer to prayer.
Proof~
In THE JOY in a prepared heart that hears Loudly for
the first time,what they once hated and CURSED
as LIES.
Moving forward to the exuberance of a child of wonderment,
seeing for the VERY first TIME
all the Blessings we were bestowed with all along~
that we NEVER once gave thanks for.
HE still BELIEVES in YOU.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#524527 Apr 23, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
That is very UNTRUE statement you have made.
There have been some that I have not agreed with Lawest, but I have never read any of his post that he acts like he is wiser than GOD, he ALWAYS has given God the credit in his life, and is VERY respectable .
Man, and especially an UNBELIEVER, such as yourself , will never be able to PROVE anything God does for you., because you don't believe God , you always want PROOF. God can not be lead into Temptation to PROVE Himself.
If you remember, Satan tried to TEMPT Jesus.
Excellent post SP, and you nailed it dead on the head when you point out that so many of these atheistic people cast themselves in that very role that the devil did when he tried to tempt Jesus in the desert after his 40 day 40 night fast.

Blessings.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#524528 Apr 23, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>That's stupid. That's like asking someone drug-free; "When you choose to not do drugs?"

We are born drug-free just like we're born straight.
Ever hear of crack babies?

Try again.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#524529 Apr 23, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> As I've said in my other post to you.......Hell and destruction will be your portion.
Sure, sure, and the boogey man is under the bed at night, too.

Maybe you should look into some of the ancient South American deity beliefs.

Some of those fact-less beliefs included multiple hell's, and levels of hell.

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