Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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<quoted text> You really go off hard on these useless tandrums, don't you?.........you focus too long and too hard on by gone subjects instead of that which is truly important.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
By-gone subjects? Wow. Just wow. You are finding less gaps to stuff your immoral, malevolent deity into and you resort to presentism. Wow.

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Lawest100, have you considered the possibility that a different approach might be more effective? I have found that when one describes a fellow poster on Topix by negative words, that it doesn't lead to any productive.
Personally, I doubt very much that the person you were posting to is an evil person. Evil is a very strong word. We all do things which could be considered not the very best things to do, but to be classified as being evil pretty well means the person is of no worth at all.
I have done the same thing myself, on Topix, and one particular person, who many of us have dealt with on Topix, some for over 4 years, I have called evil. That was pretty harsh, when the true fact of the matter is that this person is mentally ill. I have been mentally ill and am still treated for that, but I would never accept being called 'evil' because I just am not evil.
Just a thought, as we all have our ways of how we relate to others on Topix, but I find that negativity or negative descriptions of someone that I am posting too, seldom does anything positive for anyone.
So many of these Topix threads have stagnated, because we seem to all just keep the same things day after day, and getting the same adversarial responses. Kike when two sides in a war or a battle declare a truce, and a few keep shooting, it makes it very difficult to get together to discuss a peace agreement.
Regardless of our opinions on any particular subject, none of us are going to change another person's opinion by attacking that person as a human being.
My suggestion, as I posted a few days ago, is for all of us to try treating others as fellow humans on this big ball (different words this time) who are each trying in our own ways to get through each day.
I understand what you are saying Booosts and I appreciate the civility of your post, but one thing that you must understand is that there is a vast difference between Mental Illness and homosexuality, the first thing that we were taught in training when I joined to work at the SCDMH in 1980 as a Mental Health Specialist ( fancy name for nursing assistants ) that there was a difference between mental retardation ( with NOW the more politically correct word being AUTISM ) and mental illness, A person acquires Autism at birth while mental illness can develop at anytime of a person's life, many say that homosexuality is also something that people are born with, but that is not really true, homosexuality is a sin, and one that the individual can free him / herself from if truly desired to do so.

And just as their fight for "equal rights" should not be compared to black people and the civil rights movement, it should not also be equated to mental health issues which is essentially a disease, one is biological, the other is a sin.

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How does that fit in with "loving your neighbor as yourself"? Do you consider yourself evil when you willfully sin? What about the cliche..."love the sinner hate the sin"?
Your posts...as I read them...are troubling. You have gone beyond judging the sin and now seem to be judging the person. You have judged people to be worthless...at least that is how your posts read.
You call Alice evil and told HL that she disrespects people because of who she is. In both cases being lesbian is only a small part of who either one of them is...yet you judge them based on that small part.
I know...you call it love.
Read my post above to Boosts please, whenever you willfully engage in ANY sinful act that is evil, and you do so without caring, then that does MAKE you an evil person, even the saved sins here and there on either a minor level or ignorantly so, and we still have to repent from those as well if we want to draw nigher unto God and to be the best person that we can be in Jesus Christ, we are convicted and want to repent from such, and that is yet another purpose for God's Word to reprove us and clean us up by our submission to the Word.

Anyone who wants to continue on that sin knowingly without any conviction of the wrong that they are doing is very wicked, and I hold to what I have said previously.

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Bartholomew Oglethorpe wrote:
<quoted text>By-gone subjects? Wow. Just wow. You are finding less gaps to stuff your immoral, malevolent deity into and you resort to presentism. Wow.
Although I will respond to this one commentary, your posts are not really worth reply, so why don't you stop making a fool out of yourself?!

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AnnieJ wrote:
@NoStress...if you are reading along...
We have discussed this before...name-calling justified biblically. The "Jesus did it so I can too" excuse that so often is used by many has always seemed "not right" to me. In my search for answers to this I ran across an article that might be of interest to you. The guy the article is written about is not important but there were a few statements that were made that follows my line of thinking.
Here is an excerpt...
http://www.ruckmanism.org/ruckmans-attempt-to...
"Ruckmanís attempt to vindicate his name-calling with Scripture

On numerous occasions Ruckman appeals to Scripture in an attempt to justify his outrageous name-calling. It cannot be denied that on a few occasions our Lord used some tough language when dealing with certain people, most notably the Pharisees. However, our Lord is sovereign, and was consistently capable of expressing anger without ever committing a sin and could see the heart of the person he was judging. This cannot be said of Dr. Ruckman or anyone else. Also, Christ in his omniscience knew whether or not a strong denunciation in a given situation would be counter-productive or not in the long run. There were a significant number of occasions when Christ turned away from a confrontation.
Ruckman also compares himself with such Bible characters as Jeremiah, Elijah, John the Baptist, and Paul in an attempt to justify his behavior. Ruckman seems to believe that the occasional tough language of Bible characters vindicate him, but it should be considered that we do not know the tone of voice used or to what extent the vocabulary used in a different language and culture thousands of years ago was as offensive or rude as it may sound to us in another language and culture."
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Each time that I hear "Jesus did it so I can too" I wonder...
Are they raising themselves up to the level of Jesus or pulling Jesus down to their level.
LOL - Did you sense a butterfly on the wall my friend ;O) Thank you for the link, I will read it here in a few. I hope you are having a wonderful day today, and will get back to you soon.
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Topix is 'Freedom of Speech'--

Just because we are CHRISTIANS, we still have that RIGHT. The right to have our opinions and the right to WRITE them on our post.

'Love thy neighbor' also means --Telling them the TRUTH' and the TRUTH does not sound good to the SINNER.

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simplyput wrote:
Topix is 'Freedom of Speech'--
Just because we are CHRISTIANS, we still have that RIGHT. The right to have our opinions and the right to WRITE them on our post.
'Love thy neighbor' also means --Telling them the TRUTH' and the TRUTH does not sound good to the SINNER.
AMEN Brother, Sister, whichever!!!

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simplyput wrote:
Topix is 'Freedom of Speech'--
Just because we are CHRISTIANS, we still have that RIGHT. The right to have our opinions and the right to WRITE them on our post.
'Love thy neighbor' also means --Telling them the TRUTH' and the TRUTH does not sound good to the SINNER.
Thank you for pointing that out SP, that is something that seems to go right over their heads.

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<quoted text> I understand what you are saying Booosts and I appreciate the civility of your post, but one thing that you must understand is that there is a vast difference between Mental Illness and homosexuality, the first thing that we were taught in training when I joined to work at the SCDMH in 1980 as a Mental Health Specialist ( fancy name for nursing assistants ) that there was a difference between mental retardation ( with NOW the more politically correct word being AUTISM ) and mental illness, A person acquires Autism at birth while mental illness can develop at anytime of a person's life, many say that homosexuality is also something that people are born with, but that is not really true, homosexuality is a sin, and one that the individual can free him / herself from if truly desired to do so.
And just as their fight for "equal rights" should not be compared to black people and the civil rights movement, it should not also be equated to mental health issues which is essentially a disease, one is biological, the other is a sin.
Peace.
The bottom line, though, Lawest, is that whatever various people classify homosexuality as, gays are first and foremost human beings, and I think on average, at least the gays that are well known by the world have exceeded many others in their chosen professions.

Some of the greatest people in the arts, music, and that we likely have all learned about from the past, were gay, though likely due to gays having mainly always been demonized they were not being as public about that as some do nowadays, because now they are protected by the law.

I will have to reject your diagnosis regarding homosexuality being a sin. It is an orientation, which like all sexual orientations, one can choose to act on or not, though most healthy humans will want to act on their sexual orientations in their lives, because whether some do not like to admit it or not, sex is probably one of th emain motivating forces behding a lot of what we humans do in our lives.

It would only be a sin, anyway, if the particular religion that called it a sin, was a legitimate following of a legitimate god, which has been proved to exist. Again, no such proven gods have been found.

So all of this is pretty hypothetical, and comes down to personal choices as to what we believe or do not believe, but in addition must obey the laws protecting all humans from danger.

The very bottom line is that most westernized countries are making all forms of gay oppression illegal, and so it will become an opinion that people can only hold in their heads but will not have any say in as far as how these people are to be treated, because all will be equal under the law.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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What?
Exactly my point.

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lil whispers wrote:
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No he is entitled to his opinions,beliefs,views,values.
He has stated his postion and it is understood on my part.
OK.

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LupyLu wrote:
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Yes, I'm his girlfriend and I'm just fine with it. Did you actually not know this before G referred to me as his girlfriend? Wow.
Thank you kindly for your concern Teddy, I really appreciate it.
He is quite the clueless fool, isn't he ?

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simplyput wrote:
Topix is 'Freedom of Speech'--
Just because we are CHRISTIANS, we still have that RIGHT. The right to have our opinions and the right to WRITE them on our post.
'Love thy neighbor' also means --Telling them the TRUTH' and the TRUTH does not sound good to the SINNER.
But in telling them the "truth" one has to "know" that what they tell is the truth. So far nothing concerning God or the Word of God has been confirmed as being true. So everyone, believers and non-believers alike, are at some risk of thinking the "wrong" way on these topics.

I think without the knowledge of a higher truth, being verified, we are best to stick to what man has learned works best to keep us all safe while we live, and that is to not do anything to anyone else that might harm them, unless they are absolutely wanting that action to happen, such as any form of sexual contact, or even just contact between any two people, will always carry with it a certain element of risk, because all human beings carry many pathogens on or in our bodies that potentially could harm ourselves or others.

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LupyLu wrote:
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Ew
I wonder if he pretends to be a proctologist for the men.

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>**POSTED TO ALICE**Because your lifestyle is evil, and when you willfully engage yourself in it.........then that makes YOU evil.
.. the evil is not what you say about your cause but what you say about people. You are an intolerant extremist ..

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." Pascal

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Rick ln Kansas wrote:
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I fart up your nose.
Now that wasn't very nice. With a total of eight registered posts to your credit, why would you announce your presence that way?
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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Although I will respond to this one commentary, your posts are not really worth reply, so why don't you stop making a fool out of yourself?!
Yes, I understand, anyone that cherry picks the Bible and claims parts of it are passť while other parts are relevant is running out of gaps to stuff their god into.

It used to be considers blasphemous to put a lightning rod on a church. Well, lightning loves spires. And, now we know there are no gods responsible, and, every day, the goddidit excuse becomes more ridiculous.

But, you judgmental fools carry on. Watching you kill Christianity one post at a Tim is wonderful.

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OK.
Just have yourself a good day.Yesterday is gone,today is here,may not be a tomorrow.Just have yourself a good today.

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Booosts Wrote:

The bottom line, though, Lawest, is that whatever various people classify homosexuality as, gays are first and foremost human beings, and I think on average, at least the gays that are well known by the world have exceeded many others in their chosen professions.

Some of the greatest people in the arts, music, and that we likely have all learned about from the past, were gay, though likely due to gays having mainly always been demonized they were not being as public about that as some do nowadays, because now they are protected by the law.

Lawest Wrote:

I'm sorry Booosts, but what Gays have contributed to society has nothing whatsoever to do with what is being discussed or the point being made, you hinge on the idea about "nothing about the Word of God has been confirmed as true", that is really becoming a weak and tired argument on your part and on the part of others, I've explained to you on more than one occasion why the believers know that God's Word is the truest thing of all as well as derived from the greatest source of wisdom of all, and again you'd have to be a partaker in Christ to understand or relate to what we are saying.

We are well aware also that gays are as much human beings as anyone else, and I do not condone the vilifying and violent acts perpetrated against them as I do not against anyone, but we have said nothing wrong in our assessment against their damnable lifestyle.

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