Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#520161 Apr 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.......
And we are free to follow our Leader :)
Are you proud of this, too? Your idea of freedom sounds like you've given up on running your own life. I don't identify with being a sheep or being led except in trivial ways and limited contexts, such as being on a team with a coach, or while in training or in the military.

People who need a guru or a keeper seem incomplete to me.
Adam

Germany

#520162 Apr 14, 2013
boooots wrote:
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I have been experiencing a lot of guilt because when my children were young I failed to have them stoned to death according to God's command in Deuteronomy 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
I guess I only screwed up on my son, because my daughter was not included in that command. I let him live and now he has 4 sons of his own, and is a doctor who is likely helping to keep alive many stubborn young men who should be stoned. How will I ever live with myself for such a sin?
LoL

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#520163 Apr 14, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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NOTES ON JOB: "The ancient folktale of a patient Job (1.1-2.13; 42.7-17; Jas. 5.11) circulated orally among oriental sages in the second millennium B.C. and was probably written down in Hebrew at the time of David and Solomon or a century later (about 1000-800 B.C.)." - Bruce M. Metzger
"P.H.D from Princeton Theological Seminary. He stayed at Princeton as a Teaching Fellow in New Testament Greek. On April 11, 1939, he was ordained in the Presbyterian Church in the U.S.A.[1] which after mergers is now known as the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). In 1940, he earned his M.A. from Princeton University and became an Instructor in New Testament. Two years later, he earned his Ph.D.("Studies in a Greek Gospel Lectionary (Greg. 303)"), also from Princeton." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_M._Metzger
Metzger became widely seen as an 'Apostate" by Christianity in later life. He simply mentioned and told what essentially all theologians are aware of, but rarely mention.
They have to make a living, too. Nothing worse than putting yourself out of work.
Anyway...
"Belonging to "Israel's FICTION, rather than to its history, and should be read among its tales and stories"; the book of Job is "religious FICTION" - How to read the bible, 1946, Edgar J. Goodspeed
"Edgar J. Goodspeed was born in Quincy, Illinois. He graduated from Denison University (where he also received a doctorate in Divinity, 1928) and the University of Chicago (Ph.D. 1898)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_J._Goodsp...
The bible is full of such "borrowings" or adaptations of older myth and legend from previous cultures. Sometimes, just modified passages or verses here and there, and at other times, almost an entire book.
Take the book of Daniel, for instance.
Except for being altered and manipulated heavily to fit within Judaic mythology and being "historicized". The book of "Daniel" is taken in large part, if not entirely from earlier Ugarit mythology. Dan'lil in Ugarit, if I recall correctly. It can be found. You just have to look for the information. Information that a large majority of theologians are aware of.
But, rarely revealed or mentioned.
Exactly. Even Jews admit Job is allegorical fiction.
Another case of Christianity not understanding the books they stole from the Jews.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#520164 Apr 14, 2013
He that tilleth his land shall be satisfied with the bread:but he that followeth vain persons is void of understandings.
Proverb 12:11

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#520165 Apr 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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And you are apparently happy to use your prayers as weapons.....
ROFLMAO

An atheist claiming prayers are weapons!

Afraid the God he doesn't believe in will smite him ?

What a nut case!

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#520166 Apr 14, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
Cloud Atlas -- Awesome Movie :-)

http://filenuke.com/p7olrrgu0kqu
Yes, yes it was.
Did you see it when it came out in theaters?

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#520167 Apr 14, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>Those weren't the days my friend.
:-(
I see what you did there.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#520168 Apr 14, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>Frances Bacon, hey?
Ahah! That was good!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#520169 Apr 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> I wish that you could appreciate the irony of your entire post here, this is so incredibly backward and turn inwards towards heresy that words escape me right now, you are a total and complete example of someone whose mind has totally been captured by the adversary of one who you don't believe exist, he has you in a firm and power grip, lets see here......
A church that endorses same sex marriage, gay ministers and married gay ministers, calling Holy men of God who spoke when moved by his spirit as liars and ignorant men as well as bigots, upholding science over the God who created it all, accusing someone of a lack of common decency and common sense for telling you the truth, etc......
Whatever I have described about your spiritually dilapidated state in the past just doesn't seem strong enough to define the disgusting content in this post.
The one major thing, with respect, that you continue to overlook is your logical error (which is an actual recorded logical error, as determined in the field of logic which I studied in university - the error, not that particular example).

When you respond to me about my heresy, etc., you make the "begging the question" logical error, which is saying that though I have stated in my reasoning that I don't believe in a god, this god exists anyway. My post is based on my perception in order for me to post what I believe, not based on an unproved deity, which may or may exist.

You keep making the assumption, by the way you reply, that God and God's Word are a given, that they are proved true, and therefore everything that follows must take that into account.

That is not so. God and God's Word have not been proved to be true, so in a logical argument, if you start with incorrect or unproved statements, your conclusion will not be logical. It is nearly 50 years since I studied logic so I might not have explained that exactly the way a professional would, but the gist is you cannot try to convince a non-believer that God exists by assuming God exists in your argument.

This is old news to me, because we have been dealing with the "begging the question" error on Topix since I started posting here. It seems to be an error that believers always make. They try to jump over the part about proving there is a God and go right to what might be the case if this God exists.

You first have to provide proof of your God, before you can logically make any statements about what this hypothetical God expects. Even if you prove God, you would then have to prove that this proven God is the same God that you claim His Word came from.

Those are very large expectations when there is no evidence to work with.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#520170 Apr 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
But the whoring and the promiscuous could have, right? If you are not ready for the responsibility of raising a child........
It's none of your business.

Nobody cares what the Jesus thinks about abortion, nor what you think he told you to think.

That issue is settled. People will continue to get abortions whenever it is available and it is their preference. Unless your church ceases wasting away, the matter is settled, and the existing barriers that it has erected will be brushed aside.

Move on.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#520171 Apr 14, 2013
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=weXyIp9pP_8XX&lc= iAGjC2ktDo8lKg7-QYzoI52YX14zjc nYndVKfiJTFII

It´s no good sweetie.
It's so good, you mean.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#520172 Apr 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>That's blasphemous, God doesn't use homosexual men to further HIS purposes, that is a lie straight out of the pit of hell.
Gay people brought about a bunch of things you love.
You know the Mona Lisa?
That was painted by a bisexual crossdresser.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#520173 Apr 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Reason argues against the existence of a creator god.
To wit, either some substance of some sort has always existed, or else something bootstrapped itself into existence. Either way, a creator god is very unlikely.
Consider the competing theories for origins.
The universe has always existed as an oscillating through a state of alternating bangs and crunches, or else it popped into existence uncreated one fine day as a singularity, a microscopic point.
A sentient, potent, intelligent god that either always existed or which came into existence at some point in the past created the universe.
Something inanimate outside of our universe has always existed or came into existence, perhaps an insentient, amorphous multiverse from which our universe budded.
Something apparently exists uncreated. What is the least likely thing listed above to exist uncreated? A sentient, immortal, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite, eternal, and perfectly moral god.
In fact, can you think of anything less likely to exist uncreated than a god? No, you can't. Even a race of gods is more likely than the possibility that reality generated just the one and then stopped.
Gods are a gross violation of Occam's Razor. A blob (multiverse) or speck (singularity) are each orders of magnitude more likely to have existed or come into existence uncreated.
Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance.

Occam's Razor supports a creator God.

You are as clueless as a fundie.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#520175 Apr 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> True enough, she MEANS to post discord and ignorance on this thread.
HL likes to tease people when they are constantly attacking her as a person. HL is a very good woman and mother, and she takes exception, as I do, to homophobic attacks and hate mongering. She does it partly because she is gay herself, while I do it because I oppose homophobia and all other forms of bigotry.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#520177 Apr 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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This would be a good time to review a recent turn of events on this thread.
NoStress asked where her Christian views would be welcome. They're welcome here for the purpose just delineated.
But obviously, that's not what she meant. She wanted to know where her Christian opinions would be embraced without critique or dissent.
I answered that she would need to confine herself to protected environments like church and home if she wanted that, which is where Hick-up became offended and accused me of telling the Christians that they had no right to be here. I didn't recognize that he was referring to the comment I actually made, said that I had not said that, and was immediately called a liar.
This has been a recurring experience during my time here on this, my first predominantly Christian thread.
Talking to yourself now ?

You really are insane.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#520178 Apr 14, 2013
An ungodly man diggeth up evil and in his lips there is as a burning fire.
Proverbs 16:27

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#520180 Apr 14, 2013
Lacez wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, yes it was.
Did you see it when it came out in theaters?
Unfortunately no but I have now :-)

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#520181 Apr 14, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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That christians can't tolerate criticism is evidence that their belief is weak. That they don't really know what they claim to know.
It's the ones who can actually discuss their beliefs alongside our disbelief and do it with civility that I admire.
It's too bad that they are so rare.
Same can be said of the atheist/agnostics.

It's a two way street.
Bartholomew Oglethorpe

United States

#520182 Apr 14, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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ROFLMAO
An atheist claiming prayers are weapons!
Afraid the God he doesn't believe in will smite him ?
What a nut case!
That's interesting, because that is not what he said, at all. The intent of the theist was to brandish the prayer as a weapon. Its efficacy is immaterial. It's curious why you would take such a contrarian approach with a strawman. It's seems rather churlish and childish.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#520184 Apr 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
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JOB 38:25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
"Hath the rain a father?" Do you consider that wisdom?

How about this?

Seuss:

"I could not, would not, in a house.
I would not, could not, with a mouse.
I would not eat them with a fox.
I would not eat them in a box."

If not, why are these words less wise than your choice? How will either help my life to be better than the other?

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