Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#512773 Mar 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
The part of my life without your religion has been much better than the part with it. How can you account for that if being separate from your god is so unnatural? Why am I still strongly recommending unbelief rather than lamenting the choice after so many years?
psalms 23 wrote:
Well really cant give an account, because i personaly dont know you
How does that matter? I am telling you that my life was like a crooked path on god, and has been much better since.
psalms 23 wrote:
IMO you had head religion and you never allowed God to be the Lord of your life.
I guess knowing me isn't important for judging me.

How could "head religion," whatever that is, make my life worse than it has been with no religion?

Are you saying that your god rejected me even while I was still fervently loving, obeying and worshiping it? Obviously, I had no use for such a thing then or now.

As I said, I have been much better off since walking away from faith. How do you account for that?
psalms 23 wrote:
In order to see and identify a crooked line, you must first know what a straight one is.?
I have lived both lives. I know which one is crooked.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#512774 Mar 31, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>If a GOD were all that to you, why are you on an entertainment site and not spending quality time with your GOD?
On Easter, no less.

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#512775 Mar 31, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>I'll try, but it will likely be wasted on ya.(c:
Hi Scott :) I like your posts, I also don't understand why some posters get all huffy about posters who know each other or are friends, outside of topix. Does that happen a lot?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#512776 Mar 31, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Well I happen to think your analysis of who has the gifts of spirit based on a internet billboard is quite absurd. Looks as if because Christians defend their faith, to you they do not have peace or the gifts of the Spirit.

Jesus defended and discussed passionately. Does that mean by your definition Jesus did not have the fruits of the Spirit and did not have peace?

You see Christians on this billboard and in your life that are miserable?? You can actually see the lives of Christians that are on this billboard??? Really? how so?

Maybe in your life behind the billboard you need to hang around different Christians :)

I will be perfect in heaven, because God is His word says I will be perfect in heaven.

Humans don't have dominion over [all] animals now. Go and try and tame a crocodile and see what happens. We lost dominion when sin was introduced.

All your theological gyrations and hypothetical arguments into a spiritual world is all precedent on the presence of Sin, Lucifer and a War.

And all three will not be present when the Jesus Follower enters Glory. Eventually Satan and his kingdom will be eternally damned, therefore no sin, and no war. Eternal Peace for the Jesus Follower. Glory to God!
Eternal boredom.

Pure hell.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#512777 Mar 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>There is plenty that is impossible.

DeAngelo of Memphis wrote, " So all things ARE possible through "a powerful force or entity that transcends space and time" or something like that, right. If U feel that my argument is flawed, point out where U disagree."

What argument? You've merely stated that some amazing things are true, and that you are unaware of anything that is impossible.

The scripture in question - Matthew 17:20 - "And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

You can't think of a single thing that is impossible for you? For starters, how about you remove a mountain by talking to it.

Then visit the sun without a spacecraft and without burning. Then swim into abyssal waters. Then inhale a liter chlorine gas and survive. Then get younger. Then destroy energy. Then violate the law of entropy. Then accelerate to greater than the speed of light. Then construct a perpetual motion machine. Then find a solution to the equation a^n + b^n = c^n where n is an integer greater than two.

Why don't you know that some things are impossible? Why is this conversation necessary?
He could do all of those things.

He CHOOSES not to, right?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#512778 Mar 31, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>Would you tell me what is fake about enjoying a tree full of birds who are eating the buds or what is fake about watching a squirrel run up a tree and scaring the birds.Ya lump it all together like making donut dough,why do you not enjoy the simple things in life??
I heard frogs chirping the night before last.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#512779 Mar 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, the scripture says:

Matthew 17:20 - "And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

According to that, your faith can be quite weak.Just a mustard seed will do. And with that, you are promised that you can move a mountain by speaking to it.

Once again, it amazes me that we have to debate whether that scripture reports the truth or not. I consider faith - the reason you think this way - to be very detrimental to you.

How can this type of thinking be any good for you? I understand how it's good for the people that want you to do things in their interest. If they teach you to ignore common sense and common decency, they can teach you to believe and do almost anything. You might even believe that somebody rose for the dead that now wants you to obey the priests and give them money.

But how does it serve you to think that such things are possible?
Apparently you're unaware of just how big mustard seeds were 2000 years ago.

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#512780 Mar 31, 2013
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IANS wrote:
I guess knowing me isn't important for judging me.
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#512781 Mar 31, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
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What I believe is that Jesus Is the literal Word of God, right from the beginning.
you have claimed to believe many things in your life. Christianity is a philosophy of hate, you have finally found your rightful place

Since: Jul 10

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#512782 Mar 31, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>It is also rather hypocritical of you to call me presumptuous in pointing out your lack of Godly knowledge, what is hypocritical is for you to say that I know no more about God than anyone who do not believe and dismiss my knowledge that is imparted to every true believer by his spirit as a "con job" and how I've been had hook, line and sinker, while accusing me of not knowing what it is that you know or know not........WHEEEEEEEEW.
Truth is that it is your own words that allows me to know where your head is at on this subject, without sounding "all knowing" you really are like an open book to me, and you know I have a theory about atheist like yourself, I believe that deep down you do know that the existence of a being far greater than man does exist and that it is nagging at you deep down at your core and you don't really have the gumption to face it and take on the vast possibility of God's existence, and so you avoid reading scripture like I posted because you are afraid to face it and open up your mind to how wrong and off keyed you have been for all of your life. Really very sad.
You can have that assumption about me if that makes you handle your day better. However, I know what I know and what I don't know. Obviously, if one is still breathing and people keep bringing up the subject of God, and one lives in a world where people go to church, etc., there will always be a small nagging feeling that maybe there is a god. I get similar feelings when I see an attractive woman, that maybe I could be with her, though I 'know' that I am 66, she is 19 or 39 or 59, and she would not be interested, and I am married and have no desire or intent to 'cheat' on my wife.

One cannot help the thoughts and impulses that spring into one's brain.

Do I sometimes wonder 'what if I am wrong?'? Certainly, I do, because I still have an active brain, and I also wonder 'what if my wife and I are killed in a plane crash this coming Tuesday' while we are returning to Canada, because every year some people die in plane crashes, and it is always a very real possibility when one is flying that the plane will crash, and the odds of surviving a crash are very poor'. But I don't really 'believe' we will die in a plane crash on Tuesday. But I could be wrong.

If on the outside remotest chance that I am wrong and a god does exist, I am more than certain that if one lives after death, and how one lives after death reflects something to do with what one did, thought, and the decisions one made while alive, then I have not done anything that would put 'my eternal soul' at any more risk than has every other person on this earth, including you and all of the others who claim to 'know God'.

I know that any god that I would ever want to worship, spend eternity with, or have anything at all to do with, would not torture simple human beings only because they did not, or refused to, get to 'know' him during their earthly life. There would be no logical reason for anyone wanting to be with such a monster. That would be like people, about to be gassed in the Holocaust, wishing to have sex with Adolph Hitler, but millions of times worse than that.

If your belief in God comes with the need to talk down to those who don't profess a belief in God, because you cannot counter their points in any other way, then that is what your belief will have to depend on.

Personally, I will, at least in my current state of mind, stick to believing what is believable and what can be shown to have a reason for me to believe. The only possible reason I would believe in a god today is if I was so unsure of His existence, that I was frightened into it by those who pull the "Pascal's Wager" scam, trying to scare people into believing.

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#512783 Mar 31, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>you have claimed to believe many things in your life. Christianity is a philosophy of hate, you have finally found your rightful place
Um... Thanks?

Since: Jul 10

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#512784 Mar 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Most of them, yes. You don't, and most of the rest of the Christian posters here don't either.
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That would be reason enough. But there is more. I see Christians on these threads and in my life that are absolutely miserable.
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You assume too much. Why would you be perfect in heaven? The angels that rebelled weren't. Are you expecting to be turned into a robot?
I quite agree that if any of those who claim to 'know God' etc., were really experiencing the joy they claim comes with that knowledge, and many here have stated often about how wonderful their life is since they 'found God' then they would be out enjoying that wonder, rather than spending their time getting themselves all worked up over what some non-believers say, or don't say about their God.

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#512785 Mar 31, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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A third of the angels disagreed. According to myth, they knew your god personally. They knew what heaven had to offer. And they freely chose to leave it. You have zero reason to think that it won't be the same for you: a chance to rebel and be cast out of heaven. Your god seems to prefer that.
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That's a robot.
Besides, your god has no interest in such creatures or he would have made us that way on earth. Your assumption, which you cannot support with scripture, contradicts everything else your bible teaches about your god and what it likes.
Sorry if this makes you uncomfortable.
Yes, a good point, why would those who don't know if there is a heaven want to risk all to be able to go to a place which 1/3 of its former inhabitants chose to leave. It can't be such a great place to lose that many. If it was as great as believers claim why would any leave?

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#512786 Mar 31, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Discussions do not make me uncomfortable. If they did, I would not discuss. Do you like to engage in activities that make you uncomfortable??
God did make he first humans that way on earth. The presence of the Enemy of God, tempted the first humans. They knew it was not the voice of God, and they yielded to a fraud. Humans introduced sin into existence, not God. Humans are responsible for sin.
1/3 of Angels disagreed, because they was a WAR. Lucifer, was an extremely potent and powerful presence in heaven. Pride took him over, and he went after God. That just shows how powerful the enemy of God is. A Jesus Follower will not have lucifer in heaven to start a war, so I'm quite comfortable in that I will not want to rebel.
However that is the afterlife. For now the blessings is this life is good. When I get to Glory with the Christ, that is a whole another existence. I will be concerned with that existence, when it comes.
The first humans one earth would have been here long before anyone had the knowledge or ability to report what it was like then, so how do you know about what the first humans on earth were like?

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#512787 Mar 31, 2013
s/b 'on earth', not one earth

Since: Dec 12

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#512788 Mar 31, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>I quite agree that if any of those who claim to 'know God' etc., were really experiencing the joy they claim comes with that knowledge, and many here have stated often about how wonderful their life is since they 'found God' then they would be out enjoying that wonder, rather than spending their time getting themselves all worked up over what some non-believers say, or don't say about their God.
The same can be said about the kind and much happier non believers.

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#512789 Mar 31, 2013
boooots wrote:
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I will agree with you about some churches LL, but without the churches you would not have any knowledge of the God and Jesus that you love, because without the continuity of the Faith which is perpetuated by the churches, man would long ago have dropped the concept of God entirely.
I am a bit confused by people who state they are Christians and worship God, but they refuse to go to Church and worship with other people. Though now I place no value in church attendance because I do not believe in God, one cannot have the God without the church/synagogue/mosque because it takes organization and a continuity of passing on the word from one generation to the next to maintain these old myths.
Yes, a person, once they have been indoctrinated in the religion, can elect to stay home and do their own thing regarding God, the rest of their life, but if all people did that, the God would still disappear after these people died off.
Many say " I do not believe in religion, I believe in god." This is their way of saying that they do not tithe any church, and they do not support the philosophy of any organized religion.

These people are the end of the belief system, the church will fracture into individuals who do not agree with each other. The lack of cohesion will be the end of the political power of the belief system, and will damage the uptake of new believers.

But

I do not think we should point it out, keep it to ourselves; nice private laugh..... what do you say?

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#512790 Mar 31, 2013
"Blessed are the cheese makers."

Since: Jul 10

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#512791 Mar 31, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Well I happen to think your analysis of who has the gifts of spirit based on a internet billboard is quite absurd. Looks as if because Christians defend their faith, to you they do not have peace or the gifts of the Spirit.
Jesus defended and discussed passionately. Does that mean by your definition Jesus did not have the fruits of the Spirit and did not have peace?
You see Christians on this billboard and in your life that are miserable?? You can actually see the lives of Christians that are on this billboard??? Really? how so?
Maybe in your life behind the billboard you need to hang around different Christians :)
I will be perfect in heaven, because God is His word says I will be perfect in heaven.
Humans don't have dominion over [all] animals now. Go and try and tame a crocodile and see what happens. We lost dominion when sin was introduced.
All your theological gyrations and hypothetical arguments into a spiritual world is all precedent on the presence of Sin, Lucifer and a War.
And all three will not be present when the Jesus Follower enters Glory. Eventually Satan and his kingdom will be eternally damned, therefore no sin, and no war. Eternal Peace for the Jesus Follower. Glory to God!
Why would Christians, who truly believed 100% and 'know' that God exists, have any reason to 'defend their God'? Why do they get so bent out of shape when someone else 'blasphemes' this god? Surely if such a powerful God exists, He does not need a few people sticking up for Him on a discussion site, as if they don't He might get angry and go away or something.

An entity with the power and stature that believers assume of this God, could not possibly need to be bolstered up by people who spend several hours of their day on cyberspace. I think it would have to be absolutely certain that man could have no effect on this God no matter what man did.

If, on the other hand, the Christians on this site sincerely feel it is their duty to help others to get with God, so they too can enjoy what they enjoy, then why so much animosity and persecution coming from Christians as is being shown on these sites?

Turning that back on me, I am addicted to controversial discussions plus I am very interested in the harm that certain people, usually claiming some sort of Divine Right, do to other human beings under the name of their beliefs. Sadly on the threads where I have posted on Topix, even when it was not at all related to the posted topic, homosexuals seem to have been targeted especially by "Christians" and though I am not gay, nor does that orientation interest me in the least, I am vehemently opposed to gay bashing.

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#512792 Mar 31, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Ahh...the question that becomes a statement. In your mind, a question but always put forward as a statement. Is it you're trying to convince others or are you my friend, trying to convince yourself? Either way, I would rather not like to think that your lack of spiritual growth, talent and understanding has caused you to see so one dimensionally. To even disregard that even the so called cave men and their burial rituals seem to suggest worship of some kind of being, spirit or deity and that man from ever since naturally feels the urge to either worship or are never fully convinced in their minds, that they are the highest forms of intelligence in the universe.
I find that with you people, quite fascinating. There are so many things you all purposefully overlook or turn a blind eye to in order to...Not Believe. I say it may even take far more faith Not to believe than to believe. Is it a wonder to you why both sides look at each other the exact same way? My friend, everything began with life and not death, even you, a man of such high reasoning must admit. So then why must you rubish such excellent thought process to suggest that it must then all end in death? How do you prove that? Can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that 'The Other Side' does not exist? Most interesting.
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Perhaps; a supposition of possibilities, or rather more accurately, probabilities. Perhaps the cow did jump over the moon. Maybe the moon on the horizon appeared so low to the child's mind, it did seem as if the cow jumped over the moon. A possibility or a probability? What do you say? Modern medical knowledge claims that better than ever before, the skill of blood transfusion as per blood type is safer than ever before. Yet we all know that the blood contains the DNA of each individual.
Did science also tell you that blood transfusion may in some way, shape or form change your identity or your personality over time? No they didn't and they won't. The personality is dealt with by psychological science which borders on, spritual matters amazingly. Something of which, science wants nothing to do with. Therefore, how safe is medical science? They may prolong your life, but I dare to ask; at what cost?
Thank you for accomodating my response.
Shalom.
Andrew (CS).
ahhhh, yes;

Paranoia, the basis of "belief"

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