Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511057 Mar 28, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>.. oh, that's easy! G_O_D ..
Wouldn't he have to be a woman for that?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#511058 Mar 28, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Great.
I don't call out others.
When I provide proof I do, then I'm lying about those poster.
Well here it is -- Dusty:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
-- David Reagan:
http://lamblion.com/articles/articles_bible6....
Theft is theft.
Lying is lying.
You are good at both.
That's how you demonstrate plagiarism: two links from two authors each claiming to have authored the same material. Whoever published them second was the plagiarist. Did you say that they both plagiarized a third writer? Possibly. But certainly the second of these two plagiarized.

It's never enough just to make the claim. And those making the claim should be prepared to defend it or to be embarrassed and denounced for being unable to do so.

A similar situation arises when you are accused of taking somebody's words out of context. The implication is that that changed their apparent meaning to something that the author didn't mean. I generally also insist in these cases that the accuser post the passage with the missing context and post it beside the redacted version, such as, "... I hate my wife" and "I would never say that I hate my wife," with links to the before and after posts. That never happens.

And before you arrived, a poster accused me of lying saying that I has posted contradictory statements. I demanded that the poster making the accusation do just what you did: juxtapose the exact words of two posts with accompanying links that clearly show a contradiction, and then explain why they constitute a lie. It never happened, either.

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We see quite a bit of false witness and plagiarism from these religious people, and much, much less from the unbelievers, which causes me to conclude that church culture teaches lying, albeit indirectly and by example rather than explicitly. Lying for Jesus is alright. If it weren't, Jesus would stop it, right? Their most prominent leaders do it, whom they believe have been hand-picked by their god for the job.

"Pope Blames Atheists for Holocaust, Ignores Catholic Complicity"
http://atheism.about.com/b/2010/09/21/pope-bl...

"Pat Robertson:'Miserable' Atheists Are Trying to 'Steal' Christmas"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/pat-...

This kind of behavior is copied a million times over every day, often right here.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#511059 Mar 28, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
You excel at lying. Dusty did not claim the writings to be hers and you have no proof or evidence of theft
When you present the words of others without attribution, you are implying that you wrote them, except perhaps in cases such as when quoting Shakespeare, the bible, well known aphorisms, famous song lyrics, a classic line from a movie, and the like.

Not everybody who plagiarizes intended to misrepresent the plagiarized material as their own. Some just don't know the rules. But if you don't attribute them, or at a minimum, enclose them in quotation marks, that's what you've done. It's still plagiarism.

And it doesn't matter if any copyright law was violated. Plagiarizing from the public domain is still plagiarizing.

"Plagiarism vs. Public Domain"
http://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/generalco...

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511060 Mar 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>That's how you demonstrate plagiarism: two links from two authors each claiming to have authored the same material. Whoever published them second was the plagiarist. Did you say that they both plagiarized a third writer? Possibly. But certainly the second of these two plagiarized.

It's never enough just to make the claim. And those making the claim should be prepared to defend it or to be embarrassed and denounced for being unable to do so.

A similar situation arises when you are accused of taking somebody's words out of context. The implication is that that changed their apparent meaning to something that the author didn't mean. I generally also insist in these cases that the accuser post the passage with the missing context and post it beside the redacted version, such as, "... I hate my wife" and "I would never say that I hate my wife," with links to the before and after posts. That never happens.

And before you arrived, a poster accused me of lying saying that I has posted contradictory statements. I demanded that the poster making the accusation do just what you did: juxtapose the exact words of two posts with accompanying links that clearly show a contradiction, and then explain why they constitute a lie. It never happened, either.

==========

We see quite a bit of false witness and plagiarism from these religious people, and much, much less from the unbelievers, which causes me to conclude that church culture teaches lying, albeit indirectly and by example rather than explicitly. Lying for Jesus is alright. If it weren't, Jesus would stop it, right? Their most prominent leaders do it, whom they believe have been hand-picked by their god for the job.

"Pope Blames Atheists for Holocaust, Ignores Catholic Complicity"
http://atheism.about.com/b/2010/09/21/pope-bl...

"Pat Robertson:'Miserable' Atheists Are Trying to 'Steal' Christmas"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/19/pat-...

This kind of behavior is copied a million times over every day, often right here.
Where is the claim made by the alleged plagiarist to have authored the material? Do you have something other than your opinion to provide in this matter? What does Jesus have to do with it? It has been clearly demonstrated in this thread and others that atheists are also skilled liars, straw men, deflectors and hypocrites. I'd say these behaviours are more a human thing than a religious one. This is seen throughout the world as well. You are now in this post blaming religion for something that most people do, even atheists. Do you consider that honest?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#511061 Mar 28, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. atheists share only one common denominator - a non-belief in a god ..
.. some atheists may find homosexual intimacy disgusting but the vast majority support equality for all. That's the very platform of secularism ..
.. again, most discrimination has its roots in the bible ..
Right, so don't go blaming religious people *only* for voting down gay marriage.

It was all of us, religious and non-religious alike.

Why do you think "most discrimination has its roots in the bible"?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#511062 Mar 28, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. I apologize. Next time I'll bring three scarves instead of only one ..
How dare you?!

Poor Catcher....

Ima send him a few scarfs, just in case.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#511063 Mar 28, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the claim made by the alleged plagiarist to have authored the material? Do you have something other than your opinion to provide in this matter? What does Jesus have to do with it? It has been clearly demonstrated in this thread and others that atheists are also skilled liars, straw men, deflectors and hypocrites. I'd say these behaviours are more a human thing than a religious one. This is seen throughout the world as well. You are now in this post blaming religion for something that most people do, even atheists. Do you consider that honest?
Stop fighting with IANS. It accomplishes nothing.

Be the better person, crack a joke.

What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 100?
Your Honor.

...

What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50
Senator.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511064 Mar 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>When you present the words of others without attribution, you are implying that you wrote them, except perhaps in cases such as when quoting Shakespeare, the bible, well known aphorisms, famous song lyrics, a classic line from a movie, and the like.

Not everybody who plagiarizes intended to misrepresent the plagiarized material as their own. Some just don't know the rules. But if you don't attribute them, or at a minimum, enclose them in quotation marks, that's what you've done. It's still plagiarism.

And it doesn't matter if any copyright law was violated. Plagiarizing from the public domain is still plagiarizing.

"Plagiarism vs. Public Domain"
http://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/generalco...
All that seems to talk about is copyright laws. Look into it then see if you can prove I'm a thief and a liar. It's all available in winlac. So far there is no proof. As for plagiarism, the work I presented had nothing to do with deceit, plagiarism or CJ the abuser and false accuser.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511065 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Right, so don't go blaming religious people *only* for voting down gay marriage.

It was all of us, religious and non-religious alike.

Why do you think "most discrimination has its roots in the bible"?
That's a good question as even Barbarians discriminated. Way before the Bible existed.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511066 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Stop fighting with IANS. It accomplishes nothing.

Be the better person, crack a joke.

What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 100?
Your Honor.

...

What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 50
Senator.
LOL... Ok then.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#511067 Mar 28, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a good question as even Barbarians discriminated. Way before the Bible existed.
I think people like to blame the bible for many things.

They blame Christianity's influence because they need a scapegoat.

Discrimination existed long before the bible.

Hell, the Romans discriminated the Christians, and they didn't have a bible...

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#511068 Mar 28, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
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peace, of course, is a good thing and christians are commanded to pursue it "if possible, with all men".

the problem occurs because satan and the kingdom of darkness has waged war against the Kingdom of God and His people. therefore, it's naive to think that there will be peace on earth with people who either deliberatley or ignorantly side with the devil in his rebellion.

"I have not come to bring peace, but a sword (i.e. the Word of God)" Jesus
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Berwick, PA

#511069 Mar 28, 2013
I REMEMBER TALKING WITH MOM-MOM about SCABIES! Being SCABIED sounds FUN because I LIKE BUGS! It's INTERESTING how CREATURES CAN MAKE A HOUSE OUT OF ANOTHER LIVING CREATURE! Good INsULATION!!

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511070 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I think people like to blame the bible for many things.

They blame Christianity's influence because they need a scapegoat.

Discrimination existed long before the bible.

Hell, the Romans discriminated the Christians, and they didn't have a bible...
Yep. You can go even further back in history than the Romans too. Speaking of the Bible, have you seen that mini series on the History channel?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#511071 Mar 28, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
Mornin Captain;
Where you been walkin in ancient research this time?
Hope you consider sharing with me.
All over the world LW. Look'n fer little pieces. Them ones ya cut yerself don't look right when the puzzle starts ta connect, so ya gotta be careful. I'll share when it's sensible(at least ta me).

;)

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511072 Mar 28, 2013
Name appears on post wrote:
I REMEMBER TALKING WITH MOM-MOM about SCABIES! Being SCABIED sounds FUN because I LIKE BUGS! It's INTERESTING how CREATURES CAN MAKE A HOUSE OUT OF ANOTHER LIVING CREATURE! Good INsULATION!!
Yes, that is interesting. Toads hey? So are they poisonous, your babies? Here they are... I like cats.
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Berwick, PA

#511073 Mar 28, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
peace, of course, is a good thing and christians are commanded to pursue it "if possible, with all men".
the problem occurs because satan and the kingdom of darkness has waged war against the Kingdom of God and His people. therefore, it's naive to think that there will be peace on earth with people who either deliberatley or ignorantly side with the devil in his rebellion.
"I have not come to bring peace, but a sword (i.e. the Word of God)" Jesus
I have a sword. It's from India, I think, and very old.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#511074 Mar 28, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
Try again, thief:
pla·gia·rism
[pley-juh-riz-uhm,-jee-uh-riz- ]
noun
1.
an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author....
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagia...

Nope. No proof of theft. Try again.
What a strange rebuttal. Your dusty pal did exactly what is described above - used the words of another without attribution. That's plagiarism by definition.

Reality creation is an amazing thing to behold, something that I also think is facilitated by religion - by faith based and magical thinking. Whatever you want to be true can be by faith, even if it's not possible, even when contradicted by convincing evidence.

You choose your preferred reality and defend it against evidence with a confirmation bias, as you have just done:'Nope. No theft here' even when your pal was obviously guilty as charged.

Why can't you say, "Yep, duststorm stole the words, but I doubt that she was intending to deceive anybody. She probably doesn't know the ethics of scholarship, or why her behavior constitutes theft of intellectual property"?
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Berwick, PA

#511075 Mar 28, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, that is interesting. Toads hey? So are they poisonous, your babies? Here they are... I like cats.
Poison toads, YES! But not to humans. They're American Toads, which are pretty harmless. But not to dogs, and most non-humans. They could kill dogs, but the most they could do to humans is cause mild skin irritation. My toads would never irritate my skin though. They trust me, and love me. So they keep their toad milk in their poison milk glands, i.e., paratoid glands!! Yes, cats are nice. They have their own secret world, and they hunt A LOT more than most know, also!! I wouldn't want cats near my babies, but I appreciate cats because they don't trust humans unless humans absolutely prove themselves, and even then they are wary!!

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#511076 Mar 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>What a strange rebuttal. Your dusty pal did exactly what is described above - used the words of another without attribution. That's plagiarism by definition.

Reality creation is an amazing thing to behold, something that I also think is facilitated by religion - by faith based and magical thinking. Whatever you want to be true can be by faith, even if it's not possible, even when contradicted by convincing evidence.

You choose your preferred reality and defend it against evidence with a confirmation bias, as you have just done:'Nope. No theft here' even when your pal was obviously guilty as charged.

Why can't you say, "Yep, duststorm stole the words, but I doubt that she was intending to deceive anybody. She probably doesn't know the ethics of scholarship, or why her behavior constitutes theft of intellectual property"?
This isn't about Dusty. I don't even know him. CJ used that as an example for his accusations against me. Never mind.

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