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“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508887 Mar 24, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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No...I am not stupid RR...sigh...
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php...
The High Cost of the Death Penalty
The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases. This process is needed in order to ensure that innocent men and woman are not executed for crimes they did not commit, and even with these protections the risk of executing an innocent person can not be completely eliminated.
If the death penalty was replaced with a sentence of Life Without the Possibility of Parole*, which costs millions less and also ensures that the public is protected while eliminating the risk of an irreversible mistake, the money saved could be spent on programs that actually improve the communities in which we live. The millions of dollars in savings could be spent on: education, roads, police officers and public safety programs, after-school programs, drug and alcohol treatment, child abuse prevention programs, mental health services, and services for crime victims and their families.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news...
After decades of moral arguments reaching biblical proportions, after long, twisted journeys to the nation's highest court and back, the death penalty may be abandoned by several states for a reason having nothing to do with right or wrong:
Money.
Turns out, it is cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them, according to a series of recent surveys. Tens of millions of dollars cheaper, politicians are learning, during a tumbling recession when nearly every state faces job cuts and massive deficits.
Life in prison is a slower form of the death penalty. For the sake of compassion, get it over with quickly and neatly.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#508888 Mar 24, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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No...I am not stupid RR...sigh...
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php...
The High Cost of the Death Penalty
The death penalty is much more expensive than life without parole because the Constitution requires a long and complex judicial process for capital cases. This process is needed in order to ensure that innocent men and woman are not executed for crimes they did not commit, and even with these protections the risk of executing an innocent person can not be completely eliminated.
If the death penalty was replaced with a sentence of Life Without the Possibility of Parole*, which costs millions less and also ensures that the public is protected while eliminating the risk of an irreversible mistake, the money saved could be spent on programs that actually improve the communities in which we live. The millions of dollars in savings could be spent on: education, roads, police officers and public safety programs, after-school programs, drug and alcohol treatment, child abuse prevention programs, mental health services, and services for crime victims and their families.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news...
After decades of moral arguments reaching biblical proportions, after long, twisted journeys to the nation's highest court and back, the death penalty may be abandoned by several states for a reason having nothing to do with right or wrong:
Money.
Turns out, it is cheaper to imprison killers for life than to execute them, according to a series of recent surveys. Tens of millions of dollars cheaper, politicians are learning, during a tumbling recession when nearly every state faces job cuts and massive deficits.
I didn't imply that *you* were stupid.

Then the cost if court is too high. There's no justifiable reason to keep a person alive that kills in cold blood. None.

Look at Scott Peterson. That sonuvabitch my feted his pregnant wife so he could screw another gal.

F_ck him. He doesn't deserve the qualities of life - even a prison life. He gets hot coffee, 3 squares a day, Doritos, cable TV, Internet access, porn, blow jobs, anal sex, etc.

He doesn't deserve it.

If we're gonna keep these killers alive, throw em in a metal cage & feed em bread.

F_ck em all.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508889 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Booots, if I could have only a year...
You have my understanding, for what it's worth.
You know, once, I had a gun. Bullets were in a different room, the gun was downstairs. Anyways, it was just too much effort to go down there stairs.
I deeply, deeply miss that nickle plated solution.
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Tell it to all the female victims who saved their families with a firearm while their husbands were away.
I own two matte-black "solutions," both semiauto.
Aerobatty wrote:
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Get off your soap box.
We're not talking about the same thing.
We're not?

I thought we were talking about the pros and cons of firearms ownership. You said a gun was never a solution; I proved that quite frequently it is.

“Ditat Deus”

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#508890 Mar 24, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yeah.
Due process is so un American.
And so what if a few innocent people get hanged, right?
Did you see the story of the guy who had a heart attack 2 days after he was released after 20 years of being wrongly convicted of murder?
Shoulda just hung him 20 years ago, right?
No. That's stupid. Every American has the right to due process, to a fair trial.

I'm talking about after they're convicted.

F_ck em. There's too many people anyway, it wouldn't hurt to weed a few of us out, especially rapist, molesters & murderers.

“Ditat Deus”

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#508891 Mar 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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How about a list of the countries who have the death penalty today.
Then we'll talk about civilization.
You are just as much a barbarian as those who stone people to death.
Worse. The very thought of killing excites you.
Thanks, Dr Phil. You're wrong. It does NOT excite me.

What pisses me off is people like you that wanna be all soft & loving & kind & nurturing to a God damned murderer.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508892 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God made men.
The rifle made em equal.
No, it was the Colt .45.

You still don't seem to trust "God," though; you place your trust in your rifle. I don't mind, I'm not criticizing you for it; just be honest about it, thass all. You do not trust "God" as much as you do your rifle. That being the case, why should anyone *else* trust in your "God?"

Bible verses will not be acceptable reasons; you're going to have to come up with *your own* reasons.

“Ditat Deus”

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#508893 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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But what if he repents, and asks jesus into his heart--like you did? What then? Will you still hang him?
Who gives a shit. He'll have to be judged by God either way.

He made his bed, now he can sleep in it.

Hang him, fry him, has him. Who cares. As long as the murderers in America start to get punished, that'd be great.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#508894 Mar 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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What did I say?
Had he lived 100 years ago, RR would have participated in lynchings.
Keep reading, Herr Doktor.

I already wrote, "Every American has the right to due process, to a fair trial."

***once convicted***

...f_ck em.

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#508895 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

How would you know? Do you own your own personal jet to fly across the country to interview people? Maybe a time machine?
Neither would be required as the excuse would still remain just that.

If someone turns their back on God based on what man does, not only it is specious reasoning it is an excuse. If I didn't like how someone was acting who believes the Earth is round does that mean I should stop believing the Earth is round?

It is silly

How any particular believer acts has no bearing on the existence of God

And if someone left the faith because of what they perceived as bad examples, why did they not stay based on the good examples?

It is an excuse
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
People accept or reject your jesus based on the examples set by the "true" believers.
Even without my family's tradition, I would be disinclined to join the christian cult, based on the examples so many of its followers set.
Then with all due respect you don't understand how faith works

You wouldn't believe in something because you don't like how some others act that also believe in it?

I would pose your own question back to you. Do you have a jet or time machine?

There are hundreds of millions of Christians. Have you met them all, past and present?

Even based on your criteria, you would make a decision based on .00000000000001% of the membership?

Again, just silly

Personally I don't care either way or what excuse or reason you have. To each their own. If it makes you feel better to blame others then do what you have to do. I am simply pointing out the factors you are using have nothing to do with whether God exists

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508896 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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What if they "repent and ask jesus into their hearts," like you did? What then?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Then expedite their execution. Get em to God quicker. They don't deserve to live.
So *you* decide their worth, and not "God."

Thank you for that, however unintended, admission.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508897 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Then expedite their execution. Get em to God quicker. They don't deserve to live.
Face it, dude, you don't believe in your "God" any more than I do; for you, it's just a convenience.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#508898 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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No, it was the Colt .45.
You still don't seem to trust "God," though; you place your trust in your rifle. I don't mind, I'm not criticizing you for it; just be honest about it, thass all. You do not trust "God" as much as you do your rifle. That being the case, why should anyone *else* trust in your "God?"
Bible verses will not be acceptable reasons; you're going to have to come up with *your own* reasons.
Don't be naive.

God ain't gonna stop a bullet no more than He's gonna make it so I don't have to eat......

I trust in God to give me courage, strength, and above all else, common sense & a sense of morality to do what's right.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#508899 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thanks, Dr Phil. You're wrong. It does NOT excite me.
What pisses me off is people like you that wanna be all soft & loving & kind & nurturing to a God damned murderer.
As I said, you haven't progressed past caveman level.

And you have the incredible hypocrisy to proclaim yourself a follower of Jesus.

Of course killing gets you hot. You are a bloodthirsty bastard.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508900 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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But what if he repents, and asks jesus into his heart--like you did? What then? Will you still hang him?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Who gives a shit. He'll have to be judged by God either way....
Thanks for that concession, Torquemada.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#508901 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Keep reading, Herr Doktor.
I already wrote, "Every American has the right to due process, to a fair trial."
***once convicted***
...f_ck em.
Don't be stupid.

Sorry, I shouldn't have said that---you can't help it.

And again, you'd lynch. Without a second thought.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#508902 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Booots, if I could have only a year...
You have my understanding, for what it's worth.
You know, once, I had a gun. Bullets were in a different room, the gun was downstairs. Anyways, it was just too much effort to go down there stairs.
I deeply, deeply miss that nickle plated solution.
<quoted text>
Tell it to all the female victims who saved their families with a firearm while their husbands were away.
I own two matte-black "solutions," both semiauto.
<quoted text>
We're not?
I thought we were talking about the pros and cons of firearms ownership. You said a gun was never a solution; I proved that quite frequently it is.
No.

We're not.

I don't feel the need to explain it to you.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#508903 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No. That's stupid. Every American has the right to due process, to a fair trial.
I'm talking about after they're convicted.
F_ck em. There's too many people anyway, it wouldn't hurt to weed a few of us out, especially rapist, molesters & murderers.
So they should have hung that guy that they wrongly convicted of murder 20 years ago.

Of course, our court system is perfect, right?

There's no way we'd ever wrongly convict somebody.

You're just lucky you're a moron in a country where morons are the majority.

Oh yeah.

And you're white.

That always helps.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#508906 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Keep reading, Herr Doktor.
I already wrote, "Every American has the right to due process, to a fair trial."
***once convicted***
...f_ck em.
I've been convicted of things I haven't done.

I guess I don't have the faith in the legal system that you do.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#508907 Mar 24, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Don't be naive.
God ain't gonna stop a bullet no more than He's gonna make it so I don't have to eat......
I trust in God to give me courage, strength, and above all else, common sense & a sense of morality to do what's right.
It would appear your god has failed you.

“How You Treat Me”

Since: May 10

Determines How I Treat You

#508909 Mar 24, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:

How would you know? Do you own your own personal jet to fly across the country to interview people? Maybe a time machine?
Skombolis wrote:
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Neither would be required as the excuse would still remain just that.
If someone turns their back on God based on what man does, not only it is specious reasoning it is an excuse. If I didn't like how someone was acting who believes the Earth is round does that mean I should stop believing the Earth is round?
The rotundity of Planet Earth, or her very existence, is inarguable. The existence of your god is not.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> It is silly
How any particular believer acts has no bearing on the existence of God
God, like satan and demons, exists in the mind of the believer, and operates accordingly.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>And if someone left the faith because of what they perceived as bad examples, why did they not stay based on the good examples?
Maybe because, as in the case of LaWest, for example, there aren't any?
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> It is an excuse
So is "God." A very convenient excuse.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Then with all due respect you don't understand how faith works
There are two different kinds of faith; reasonable, and unreasonable. I choose reason.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>You wouldn't believe in something because you don't like how some others act that also believe in it?
I certainly doesn't give any reason to believe in it.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I would pose your own question back to you. Do you have a jet or time machine?
Not yet. But there's always the lottery (fingers crossed)...
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> There are hundreds of millions of Christians. Have you met them all, past and present?
Even based on your criteria, you would make a decision based on .00000000000001% of the membership?
The ones I've met with personally are the only ones I have to go by. Their sincerety and practices are not what I'd call laudatory.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> Personally I don't care either way or what excuse or reason you have. To each their own. If it makes you feel better to blame others then do what you have to do.
I hold them responsible for their own actions.
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text> I am simply pointing out the factors you are using have nothing to do with whether God exists
You don't even know if "God" exists. I'm sure you tell yourself you know, but you are lying to yourself. After all, if you knew it for a fact, then you would have no faith--the sole foundation for your religion.

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