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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I need an expense account to buy dru...drums.
$1000 per week?
Let's see how our collection plate stacks up.

And how successful our happy hours turn out.

Then we'll deduct Pastor Catcher's generous salary (I have to maintain the lifestyle to which I have become accustomed, you understand).

And we must also deduct the amount of our charitable donations to the community at large.

Come to think of it, we may run a little short. Should we perhaps create a TV program, a la Swaggert/Bakker et al.? With a good sales pitch and continual flashing of our 800 number, we may have something!!

“Ungood doubleplus duckspeak.”

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Peace_Warrior wrote:
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I know... was just sharing the sheep with Lucy!
You missed the smile with that one...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
(((*()*))) You got a Koala today!
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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For me, I look at two components, coming from the same direction:
I have seen evidence of god.
And I see evidence of stuff like childhood artistry, which I find compatible with a god concept.
God is good, man!
I see childlike thinking actually: Your god, to me, is no different from the six-year-old's invisible friend sitting next to him on the bus seat.

But hey, if a god rocks your boat, knock yourself out.

I prefer to fly solo.

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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We've had limited seasons on religion here in America, in the past. We've never had an open season, until the Internet.
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It isn't. I know that. If my behavior doesn't reflect that I know that know, it never will.
Perhaps this is a perception problem?
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Why don't you just do whatever you feel compelled to do?
You'll be helping in one way or another.
Great. So atheism is the same it's always been, except now it has the ease of communication.

Just like everything else...

Your behavior somewhat reflects that you think atheism is new. Or at least has a new vigor.

I AM doing what I'm compelled to do. I don't see how my actions hurt or help you in any way.

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Black Thunder 42 wrote:
That is self evident.
Your deity is indeed responsible for directly and indirectly causing the death of millions of innocent lives(take the Midianites for just (1) example.
Yes.

And responsible directly and indirectly for the lives of billions of innocent people.

And?
You are saying that your Jesus is not responsible for any of that atrocity...rather he is the cure(in essence).
No I'm not. He is *our* cure, not God's.
Your church says that it is a "trinity" in which YHWH and your Jesus is indeed one and the same, and even you have made that equivocation several times.
Yes. I believe that.
If THAT is the case then your "Jesus" and your "YHWH" [being one in the same entity] is accountable equally for such abhorable, despicable activity...no if's and's or butt's about it.


I see where you're going....
You can dance around that "universal proclamation" all you want, it will not change it...and "revelation" has even more atrocity written into the future for more innocent citizens of the world.
I think I have pretty well "weeded out" the bullshit(as you put it) for you in very blunt and plainly understandable english.
If I am wrong in this attribution then you had better have your church begin rewriting the book to follow your views rather than what is actually written within it's pages.
It is what it is...History is it's witness.
I see....

You're another one that likes to blame evils on God.

Ugh...

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LupyLu wrote:
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Love you :-)
Love you too...Lupy Lu

:-P~

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Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Good morning!
How are you guys going to work out wars from the time of even the Midianites, and all the atrocities since? Genocide still goes on in every form imaginable... and who should be to blame then?
Good Good?
Bad God?
The books will never change to suit public anyone's opinion... yours, mine, no-one.
They have been written.
History repeats itself... life and death go until one day man destroys himself.
Who will we blame for that?
Not wasting time now on 'history'.
It's ~history~!
Have too much today and in the future of every moment Now to care about.
Just joining in...
>>>saying good morning<<<
Don't ask me any historical questions.
In fact none!
I'm not a historian.
I'm in your tomorrow.
Literally!
>>>good morning<<<
Good morning PW. I won't ask you any historical questions unless you want.
I don't want to place the "blame" on any particular "deity". It is the "people who are responsible for atrocity as you well know. When that "people" wants to tout an untouchable "deity" as an excuse for those atrocities(and being justified in it), then I am left with no recourse but to accuse the deity in their behalf(making them accountable as willing subjugates of those actions as well)... because they are excusing and/or condoning such abhorable behavior while attempting to remove themselves (religious institutions) from any guilt for their own or their religious institution's actions.
That is, in itself a double standard...and the reason these atrocities never end. You are seeing it to extremes all over the middle east and Africa today. When will these citizens of the world wake up and say ENOUGH?
This is 2000 year old religious inspired hatred and insanity that is no different in essence than the inquisitions and holy wars. when combined with the greed and intolerant governments, I don't see any intellectual advancement from 3000 years ago.

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LupyLu wrote:
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Got another song for you :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch... #!
Thank you lil sister.
I'll let Epi have the sweet dreams you sent me too...
>>>smile<<<

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Who am I
Did you get enough rest?
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Catcher1 wrote:
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Let's see how our collection plate stacks up.
And how successful our happy hours turn out.
Then we'll deduct Pastor Catcher's generous salary (I have to maintain the lifestyle to which I have become accustomed, you understand).
And we must also deduct the amount of our charitable donations to the community at large.
Come to think of it, we may run a little short. Should we perhaps create a TV program, a la Swaggert/Bakker et al.? With a good sales pitch and continual flashing of our 800 number, we may have something!!
I can do an excellent impression of an old time Baptist preacher.

Maybe a "tent revival" is in order?

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macumazahn wrote:
That 96% of Americans believe in something-or-other is not a problem.
Agreed.
That fundamentalism is still extant should be a cause of the profoundest disgrace.
Fundamentalists believe in strict and literal interpretations of the bible. Most of the Christians I know are not fundamentalists. Even my "Super Mormon" in-laws aren't. They drink, smoke, have sex & kids outside of marriage, etc, etc, etc.

If I hadda take a wild guess, I'd say that 5-10% of Americans are fundamentalists.
Adam

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Mar 20, 2013
 
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Did God Die for Our Sins?- FUNNY - Sh. Dr. Shabir Ally Vs Jay Smith

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mike wrote:
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Often while in despair it is necessary to ignore the obvious, survival hinge on hope and determination.
This is an entertainment site, to express a GOD here would indicate you don't expect to be taken seriously.
Don't underestimate the power of the mind.
Fine mike... I don't underestimate any mind.

No-one can express God mike... no-one.
As for the mind?
Never!
Take Care

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scaritual wrote:
Maybe you're being facetious. Maybe you're trying in RiversideRedneck way attempting to illustrate a concept.
Nevertheless...
Actually, I was being flippant...
"Insist", implies that I'm doing something that isn't acceptable or normal, and by some sort of forbearance on your part, you accept that myself, atheists, or others will do that.
In the context of my post, "insist" had nothing to do with "acceptable or normal". It had to do with bring forceful or demanding.

I don't think atheists are unacceptable or abnormal, not at all. I'm sorry that you have that impression of me.

I think most atheists are pretty good people. It's the ones that seek to remove religion & change America to their "my way or the highway" attitude that I have a problem with.
I don't need your permission to point out the flaws in religious beliefs.
Nevertheless, you have it.

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Mar 20, 2013
 
Catcher1 wrote:
Let's see how our collection plate stacks up.
And how successful our happy hours turn out.
Then we'll deduct Pastor Catcher's generous salary (I have to maintain the lifestyle to which I have become accustomed, you understand).
And we must also deduct the amount of our charitable donations to the community at large.
Come to think of it, we may run a little short. Should we perhaps create a TV program, a la Swaggert/Bakker et al.? With a good sales pitch and continual flashing of our 800 number, we may have something!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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Perhaps I can help...or make things worse.
The open-mindedness of most people that accept religious claims are like the openness of a mousetrap. It's only open until a mouse comes in to take the cheese. Then it's shut. Some mice may only smell the cheese, or take a small bite. Only one mouse really grabs the cheese enough to close the trap, and then no other mice can get at that cheese.
**Clipped for space, no disrespect intended, full comment found here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Thank you for the time and effort you put into this post Tide, I appreciate it and am chewing on it. I don’t claim to be the brightest light bulb in the package, which is why I decided to look up logical fallacies for a refresher after my initial reading your post above…I find it particularly interesting that the site I pulled up states:
Ad hominem-
An ad hominem argument is any that attempts to counter another’s claims or conclusions by attacking the person, rather than addressing the argument itself. True believers will often commit this fallacy by countering the arguments of skeptics by stating that skeptics are closed minded.
http://theskepticsguide.org/resources/logical...
Does the above not suggest that stating that a person is closed minded is in fact attacking the person?(The comment that Christians are closed minded was what I was calling to attention *originally* as a character attack - I feel like my point is disappearing in the argument)
The claim to be open-minded is frequently used by people who wish to sound virtuous, and simultaneously make their opponent sound intolerant, while defending or promoting their ideas and beliefs.
This appeal to be 'open-minded' is a fallacious one. Its message is simply: be credulous.
http://www.ukskeptics.com/appeal-to-an-open-m...
I am sorry…I am not trying to argue here, but I feel that a simple point has been argued to death in an attempt to not address it for what it was. If I may restate the issue?
1. Statement that: No unbeliever is using slander or character attacks.
2. All believers are closed minded:“What do you think of a mind that accepts claims without sufficient evidence, the definition of religious faith? Is that an open mind to you? If so, you don't want that kind of open mind. That barely qualifies as a mind at all.”
I saw #2 as a character attack so called #1 to attention.
~Question~
Is #2 not a character attack?
Ok, going to go get dinner ready. Again thank you for your post Tide and I will read into it some more, it contained lots of information.

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scaritual wrote:
The myth of PerfectDeity™, Perfection, TheDeal, Muh'ChosenPeople and...
MostImportantThing—Ever!
Once upon a time...
PerfectDeity™ made TheDeal with primitive nomadic desert dwellers to worship PerfectDeity™ in exchange for *favor* thousands of years ago in a far off, isolated land and called them Muh'ChosenPeople. The stories of the TheDeal were transmitted orally, and eventually became SketchyStories - although there was writing at the time.
Some of Muh'ChosenPeople finally learned to write and put SketchyStories in books. No one else could share in the TheDeal because it was just for Muh'ChosenPeople. That was part of TheDeal. PerfectDeity™ liked Muh'ChosenPeople better than RestOfTheWorld. RestOfTheWorld had to worship <blur> and it was fine they didn't have the TheDeal. Every so often, PerfectDeity™ decided the worshipers of <blur> who were living near Muh'ChosenPeople should die or suffer for being infidels and such, and not being Muh'ChosenPeople. So, he told Muh'ChosenPeople to attack and kill RestOfTheWorld, or in reality a very, very, very - very small part of it, many times, with no evidence left behind.
PerfectDeity™ grew tired of Muh'ChosenPeople, because the TheDeal improved them little to none, and they didn't worship PerfectDeity™ per - TheDeal. So, TheDeal with Muh'ChosenPeople was amended and PerfectDeity™ upgraded to Ver.3, because long before TheDeal, the FirstTwoPeople who were PerfectAndMadeInHisImage screwed up in Ver.1 of Perfection, renamed TheDeal in Ver.2 for Muh'ChosenPeople.
Ver.3 - MostImportantThing—Ever!
Premise:
PerfectDeity™ turns himself human to sacrifice himself to himself to save his own creations from the wrath of himself.
Just .·:*¨`*†BELIEVE†*¨`*:·. <(V.3 slogan)
PerfectDeity™ made MostImportantThing—Ever! available to {everyone}, but first entrusted it to somewhat literate itinerant laborers, drifters, and others with little else to do but join a cult. Human PerfectDeity™ was one of them, had himself killed(TheBigPlan), then vanished later on...
Similar to TheDeal, MostImportantThing—Ever! was transmitted orally, this time to PeopleWhoChoose=>Him© in a few languages, resulting in even more SketchyStories. It was all finally written down, edited, and put in one book about 300 years later.
PeopleWhoChoose=>Him© couldn't agree on what it meant or even be sure that they were getting the MostImportantThing—Ever!, because it was still SketchyStories and needed to be translated into a few more languages, untranslated, and retranslated into many other languages and decoded at times to understand just how unclear it was, which made it pretty clear, probably. Then people started to form DenomiNations.
Full of metaphor, hyperbole, allegory, and a few literal parts, it needs to be read with /INDWELLING\, or it's even better if PeopleWhoChoose=>Him© and KnowBeyondDoubt tell you what it means, even though they aren't sure, so some of those who KnowBeyondDoubt went to school for years to absolutely know beyond a doubt they weren't 100% sure.
There are some people who don't think it's PerfectDeity™ or the MostImportantThing—Ever! because no PerfectDeity™ can be verified or has, so they opted for noesis, however, just know that "all TrueHistorians&SeriousScho lars!" believe some parts may have happened so don't be saying, believing or thinking anything that people who KnowBeyondDoubt say you shouldn't say, think or believe because then you're just being an unreasonable ass...
...m'kay?
Now it's thousands of years after Ver.1 - Perfection, and Ver.2 - TheDeal, that PerfectDeity™ exchanged for worship to Muh'ChosenPeople and later upgraded so {everyone} can be the PeopleWhoChoose=>Him© in Ver.3 - MostImportantThing—Ever!, two thousand years ago, and incredibly...
Some people in the world today still haven't heard of PerfectDeity™, or the MostImportantThing—Ever!
Ahahahaha!!
That's great, scar.
Best part:
Just .·:*¨`*BELIEVE*¨`*:·. <(V.3 slogan)

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Catcher1 wrote:
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I see childlike thinking actually: Your god, to me, is no different from the six-year-old's invisible friend sitting next to him on the bus seat.
But hey, if a god rocks your boat, knock yourself out.
I prefer to fly solo.
That's fine.

I respect your opinion.

Just leave mine alone.

And make me a sammich.
Adam

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Homosexuals and their supporters argue that Jesus died for them on the cross. Mankind can do whatever they want? Mankind has got to know their limitations.

“Ungood doubleplus duckspeak.”

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Epiphany2 wrote:
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Love you too...Lupy Lu
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Hi Epi :) how was your day?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Yes.
And responsible directly and indirectly for the lives of billions of innocent people.
And?
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No I'm not. He is *our* cure, not God's.
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Yes. I believe that.
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I see where you're going....
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I see....
You're another one that likes to blame evils on God.
Ugh...
Hardly. I am left no recourse but to accuse your deity because your religion has portrayed it's atrocities as the wish and/or orders of it's deity(s).

I blame those very bad behaviors on your religious institutions and therefor the people within it's paramaters who condone such atrocious activity and try to irrationally remove responsibility of that entity or justify the atrocious acts and continuation of the very thought process that is the cause of such worldwide misery.

Don't try to blame an invisible entity for the twisted and perverted actions of the subjugates of that institution(s). When you do that you are evading prosecution of the real perpetrators of the injustice...the religious institutions...and it will surely continue until you raise your voices in unison to stop it...or it is eventually outlawed as an incitement of injustice by world society.

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