“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506484 Mar 19, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I believe you understand the point I was making... are you directly responsible for what your forefathers may have done to blacks and jews?
(Obviously there are ALWAYS consequences of what our parents have done...good or bad... which affect us all - but are you directly responsible for their actions?)
If that is true, then in the reverse it is true also. How is a parent responsible for their children's actions when their children come into their own accountability?
How is God responsible for Adam and Eve's choices? God warned them "ahead of time" what they could do and shouldn't do... and the good or bad consequences of each. And out of all the many different varieties of trees in that garden... there was only ONE that they weren't suppose to tamper with... "one" out of possibly millions. Now why did they have to mess with that one forbidden thing? Why would God even put that tree there in the first place if it could cause them to fall? If God did not put that "one" tree there then A&E wouldn't have had the ability of "genuine", free will.
Because the one you obey or are "loyal" to... is the one you love. And that is what God is after, "genuine love".
If I left my son in a fenced in garden with " a tree with a fatal fruits and an immensely evil and dangerous serpent" - that I'd created, and my son had been affected by both of those.

I'd be charged with child abuse and neglect, and rightly so.

Theists would worship me.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#506485 Mar 19, 2013
scaritual wrote:
You're wrong, an atheist credits nothing to gods, but, theists do.
It's within that dialog between the atheist and theist concerning those deity myths, a strange thing occurs.
Theists are certain they know everything the mythical deity certainly does, or is responsible for, and also everything the mythical deity certainly does not do.
Yet, that varies from theist to theist; One says the deity did everything in 6 days; Another will say it was millions of years ago; Another says there was a world wide deluge; Another will say it was a localized event.
One will say "HA, that story is METAPHOR!", another will claim the same story to be literal.
This is what atheist observes during these conversations with theists. Multiple and widely ranging divergent beliefs - all concerning the same - and I should stress that -*the same deity*.
It isn't just the Abrahamic god(S) that the atheist sees this phenomena.
Every believer in a different deity I've ever spoken with evidences the same types of inconsistencies, concerning what their deity is, or does, or in how that deity interacts with the commonly shared reality humans operate in. Just talk to them. It's easy to see.
My position(as an atheist) remains constant and consistent. I do not have a theistic belief there are deities. I do not credit deities with anything.
The theist position is inconsistent when describing what their deity does or is, or how it operates.
So, when the atheist asks:
"Does your deity do this?" "Did your deity create that as well?" "Why did your deity make that?"
It isn't because we think your deity did anything.
We want to see what you think your deity does - and let me tell you - that answer varies from theist to theist, denomination to denomination, from one deity to another, and it's always the same.
Erratic and confused.
You all have different beliefs, even when discussing the beliefs of the believers who believe in the same deities.
None of you know what your mythical deity is about, you have some vague ideas, and some central point(a creation, laws, intents, all vague, still)
The atheist might as well be spinning a wheel with multiple answers pasted upon it concerning the mythical deity.
The results would be the same. Ask the same question 5 times, get 5 different answers.
The theist has no real idea what their mythical deity does or would be responsible for.
We(atheists) see beliefs of the theist that vary about what they believe it(deity) does, and that varies, even on the same questions, asked of the same person.
What the theist answers with today might change tomorrow.
Theism: Confusion and conflicting answers concerning their mythic deities. That they are 100% certain of.
hahaaaa
*pees on the wall*

What?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#506486 Mar 19, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Alpha and omega are Greek letters. Did the Greeks write the Bible?
Here's a wonderful article on how the bible was written.

http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/4_How_w...

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506487 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot, "to a non-believer".
Just sayin...
So you understand the non-believer part, good.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#506489 Mar 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
So you classify yourself as a "fake" Christian..."on the fence" Christian..."wanna have fun" Christian???
If you don't think you are genuinely Christian...then why call yourself one at all?
Or are you just kidding on me??? LOL
Come on RR...let your little so shine!
We outsiders will still like ya...well at least I will.
I'm kidding.

Im a born again Christian that loves Jesus Christ.

But I'm not above temptation, if you know what I mean...

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506490 Mar 19, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>eternal death of the soul, is nothing to mock.
I think the soul concept is a silly one.
Is that "mocking"?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506491 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
And if that were true, atheists wouldn't have bothered with creating websites like evilbible....
Sure they would, just like people who don't agree with or believe in nuclear weapons make sites that point out the folly of nuclear weapons.

Or pollution, or animal abuse, fossil fuels or any other thing a person does not have a belief in.

They utilize many ways to speak out against that.

Deities included.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#506493 Mar 19, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>A HOLY woman wouldn't expose herself.
Amen... AND would not condone gay marriage.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

2 Timothy 4:3

That time is here my brother.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506494 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot, "to a non-believer".
Just sayin...
No, not only to a non-believer.

"God has a plan" is not a satisfactory answer to any question.

It's equivalent to saying, "I have no idea, and yeah, it doesn't make sense, so WTF, let's jast say it's God's plan."

Question: Why does God allow innocent children to die of leukemia?
Answer: God has a plan.

That's not an answer, it's kicking the can up to the sky.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#506495 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
How many anti-pink unicorn sites are there?
Anti-pixie dust?
Anti-leprechaun?
Anti-Buddha?
Anti-Santa?
No, no, no. It seems the atheists are only interested in God. They seem to spend more time discussing Him than theists do.
Statement from the following web site...

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/unic...

Argument for and against (wasn't sure what they were trying to prove! LOL) the "invisible" pink unicorn...

"Invisible pink unicorns?

Can we determine the existence/non-existence of invisible pink unicorns? Actually, the answer is "yes." Unicorns would be pink if they reflected pink electromagnetic radiation (i.e., light). However, in order to be invisible, the unicorns would reflect no electromagnetic radiation. Therefore, the term "invisible pink unicorn" is self contradictory. Therefore, we know absolutely that they could not exist. I don't know who invented the term "invisible pink unicorns," but they were obviously deficient in their physics education.

However, for the sake of argument, let's change the term and drop the "pink" part. Is it possible to determine whether or not invisible unicorns exist somewhere in the universe? Technically, it would be very unlikely that any organism would be invisible. The only reasonable chemical basis for living organisms in this universe is carbon-based life. This would ensure that unicorns would always be visible. Although possible that unicorns might be invisible due to being made of anti-matter, such existence would be problematic, since their interaction with ordinary matter would result in their immediate and spectacular destruction. Could unicorns be made of exotic matter? While possible, there is no evidence from physics that any creatures could be made of exotic matter. At present, it is possible to detect exotic matter only indirectly through particle physics and through its ability to bend light (only detectable through gravitational lensing of distant galaxies). At this point, we would be unable to detect a unicorn made of exotic matter. So, although we can be fairly certain that invisible unicorns do not exist in the universe, we could not take the strong aunicornist stance.

Alone in the Universe: Why Our Planet Is UniqueIs it possible that pink unicorns might exist somewhere in the universe? As of today, we don't know if life exists outside of our Solar System. Some scientists believe that life is common throughout the universe, while others think that all life or only advanced life is rare in the universe. The origin of life by naturalistic means seems extremely improbable. In addition, the earth seems to exhibit unusual design, since the existence of tectonic activity on such a small planet for such a long period of time is probably the result of an extremely unlikely collision event early in its history. Without tectonic activity, the earth would be a waterworld, since continents would not form. Advanced life (beyond fish) cannot exist on such a planet (hence no unicorns).

Atheism requires that abiogenesis (a naturalistic origin of life) is at least possible, if not likely, and that habitable planets are common throughout the universe. Such a scenario, if true, would make it likely that pink unicorns do exist somewhere in the universe. Therefore, an atheist would be illogical to assume a strong aunicornist stance. The unicorn argument as an argument against the existence of God fails logically, since it is not possible to definitively show that unicorns do not exist somewhere in the universe."

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506498 Mar 19, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>If you're their friend, they know you're a Christian right? So ask them if they think Jesus Christ would approve of them getting married.
More than likely the conversation would end right there.
Let me ask you a question.

If two male friends of Jesus told him they were getting married to each other, what would Jesus say to them?

And, what's the basis for your answer?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#506499 Mar 19, 2013
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>
Sheese ...folks make it difficult. I mean; you're talking to a bunch of people that still adorn themselves and each other with pretty rocks. And it's done all over the world ...value's, attitudes, beliefs ...macho, feminine ...culture matters little.
The universe is alive, the millions of galaxy's beat to a rhythm we can't comprehend. Life doesn't begin at conception, nor does it end with earthly death. People might as well be arguing over whats at the other end of a black hole.
Good post HU :)

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506500 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah yes. You're correct. I don't think there's any Christian church out there that doesn't teach us that God is the author and origin of all things, the alpha and omega....
That's why you should join the Holy Church of Catcher.

We don't believe silly things like that.

Why travel coach, when you can go first class?

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#506501 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
How many anti-pink unicorn sites are there?
Anti-pixie dust?
Anti-leprechaun?
Anti-Buddha?
Anti-Santa?
No, no, no. It seems the atheists are only interested in God. They seem to spend more time discussing Him than theists do.
Anti-Leprechaun

'Leprechauns' Banned from St. Patrick's Day Parade

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php...

Someone really didn't like those leprechauns...won't even let them march in the parade.

Some people blame them for their evil mischief.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506502 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I am Christian but I am not genuine.
I'll have a hell of a day when it's my time with the Lord.
Dudes gonna be pissed.
All the dudes?

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#506503 Mar 19, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
If I left my son in a fenced in garden with " a tree with a fatal fruits and an immensely evil and dangerous serpent" - that I'd created, and my son had been affected by both of those.
I'd be charged with child abuse and neglect, and rightly so.
Theists would worship me.
Though Adam is a Son of God he was also created as an adult man... not as a little boy.

There were several things he was tasked with and accountable for before his wife came on the scene. So Adam was an adult and accountable for his own actions... Perfect in the day he was created but made a bad choice out of his own autonomous, free will. Eventually, he chose to not trust in God.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#506504 Mar 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe it is. I don't think of criticisms of intelligence as character attacks.
I have been reading your responses to me found here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

To the above I was going to simply respond with,“I personally find that to be an odd statement.” and leave it at that. Yet I found myself repeatedly coming back to your simple statement, as I worked out the rest of my response. At this point, I do not think that anything that I say to the rest of your response matters much, if I do not understand your perspective on the above. I do not understand how anyone that bases their view of life in general on logic, could honestly say such a thing. Can you explain to me how questioning another’s intelligence is not a character attack? Intelligence has ~much to do~ with character. Let me give you an example:

“Intellectual Empathy: Having a consciousness of the need to imaginatively put oneself in the place of others in order to genuinely understand them, which requires the consciousness of our egocentric tendency to identify truth with our immediate perceptions of long-standing thought or belief. This trait correlates with the ability to reconstruct accurately the viewpoints and reasoning of others and to reason from premises, assumptions, and ideas other than our own. This trait also correlates with the willingness to remember occasions when we were wrong in the past despite an intense conviction that we were right, and with the ability to imagine our being similarly deceived in a case-at-hand.”

Do you feel that you personally have this character trait? Do you see what I am asking you? I have the feeling that you do not understand what you actually said to offended me. In the rest of your response to me you say that you think I have a problem with how you view of:“the Christian church, the bible, its god, and faith-based thinking”. You are wrong when it comes to the Church, Bible and God… To be honest I value the outside opinion. What I do question is what you mean by faith-based thinking. The *only* reason that I do so, is because you point blank said that believers have closed minds (or barely qualify for a mind).


The above quote found here:
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/valuabl...

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506505 Mar 19, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Alpha and omega are Greek letters. Did the Greeks write the Bible?
Maybe God is Greek.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#506506 Mar 19, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure they would, just like people who don't agree with or believe in nuclear weapons make sites that point out the folly of nuclear weapons.
Or pollution, or animal abuse, fossil fuels or any other thing a person does not have a belief in.
They utilize many ways to speak out against that.
Deities included.
Good point.

I hadda think for a minute and you know how I hate that.

The difference with those examples and the anti-theist nuts is that the anti-theist nuts try to proclaim their beliefs as fact. They try their hardest to make others follow in their footsteps.

It's kinda like the anti-gun nuts or the anti-abortions nuts. They all seem to have the same attitude of "my way or the highway".
Adam

Frankfurt Am Main, Germany

#506507 Mar 19, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
I sound like swine flu,and you sound like swine S....SHEISSE stinking and posting crap
read Mein Kampf you idiot, and tell us what page Hitler plan holocoust aginst jews,
you low quality Swine Scheisse seating in mosque,but night time eating pork under own bed?
pfuj dumb but polack
You are a dirty east european half jew polak pretending to be german. I don´t care about Mein Kampf. Mein Kampf is here. You are a shitty dirtbag eating swine claiming to know and to practice christianity, one of Judas many priests. Get lost

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