Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506473 Mar 19, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Posting again due to some static:
A question for the genuine Christians:
So you're at work, it's lunchtime and you head to the lounge. You don't always go there but this time you made an exception.
You have all kinds of friendly associates at work, black.. white, Asian and those who engage in homosexual behaviors. You like them all and get along with every last one of them.
So one of your female co-workers have been dating a male co-worker for some time and she shows off her ring to you. You're happy for them and you say, "Congratulations!!"
Everyone hears the news and two of your male co-works (who are involved with each other) decide between themselves, "Well, why not." So finally they come around to you (because you are their friend also) and tell you of their plans on getting married also!
What do you say to them?(Lights, Camera, action!)
I'm not a theist, but if I were there, I'd say:

"Don't tell Qu, he's a bigoted theist that will probably start preaching some ancient religious belief at you and an all around bummer and drag"

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#506475 Mar 19, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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It is the definition of adultery. Adultery is not against the law in the U.S. as far as I know. I see no reason for shame as long as they are all in agreement.
I would never kick a dog. I like dogs. I like all animals. Some people eat animals and wear their skins as clothing. I do neither.
We are talking about crime, we are talking about shame.

Would you have an open marriage?

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#506476 Mar 19, 2013
"Many claim to have unfailing love, but a faithful person who can find?" Proverbs 20:6
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah. Clearly that passage came from a culture that values ownership of partner's sex and sexuality within marriages. It most certainly could not have come from a culture that doesn't value strict ownership over partner's sex and sexuality.
So they're basically saying "it's difficult to live up to our culturally ideal of marriage. Few do." with the implication "it's a positive to find someone who can live up to our cultural ideals. Good luck on that."
The passage therefore demonstrates the conflict between cultural morality and human biology.
Re: the quote from Jesus. Of course you believe that! You don't want to believe that some of the passages attributed to him are designed to manipulate and control your behavior. I would expect no less than fervent belief in such a manner on your part, for I accept at your word that you are a Christian.
Actually, no... I can't agree with most of your points. That passage (Proverbs 20:6) has nothing to do with sex or sexuality within marriage. Genuine Love absolutely does not always equate to Eros (erocticism). The passage simply says what it means and it transcends time and all cultures.

First of all, flattery is a form of hatred. Who would want someone unfaithful? They are like paper in fire.

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Concerning what Jesus said in the other passage about striving to get in... obviously if one takes that with distrust then their conlclusion would result in a negative response, HFY: "You don't want to believe that some of the passages attributed to him are designed to manipulate and control your behavior."

BUT... if I trust in Him... then obviously their would be a positive response... HFY: "I would expect no less than FERVENT BELIEF in such a manner on your part, for I accept at your word that you are a Christian."

The latter is true.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#506477 Mar 19, 2013
We are [not] talking about crime.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506478 Mar 19, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. they defend self ??..
bingo.

That self is easily offended, too.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#506479 Mar 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
RR...I am not sure that I understand. Are you saying...
If atheist do not believe in God there would be no need for them to create web sites???
Not sure that I follow your logic.
How many anti-pink unicorn sites are there?

Anti-pixie dust?

Anti-leprechaun?

Anti-Buddha?

Anti-Santa?

No, no, no. It seems the atheists are only interested in God. They seem to spend more time discussing Him than theists do.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#506481 Mar 19, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey dude, Q doesn't know what happened to Counter_Srike.
Do you have any information as to his whereabouts?
He seems to have vanished.
no idea. When I saw him last yr on the billboard, he seems to have stretches on the billboard. You won't see him for a week or so...then he returns everyday for another two weeks or so forth. He is probably reading along, just not writing, but who knows.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#506483 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I am Christian but I am not genuine.
I'll have a hell of a day when it's my time with the Lord.
Dudes gonna be pissed.
So you classify yourself as a "fake" Christian..."on the fence" Christian..."wanna have fun" Christian???

If you don't think you are genuinely Christian...then why call yourself one at all?

Or are you just kidding on me??? LOL

Come on RR...let your little so shine!

We outsiders will still like ya...well at least I will.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506484 Mar 19, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I believe you understand the point I was making... are you directly responsible for what your forefathers may have done to blacks and jews?
(Obviously there are ALWAYS consequences of what our parents have done...good or bad... which affect us all - but are you directly responsible for their actions?)
If that is true, then in the reverse it is true also. How is a parent responsible for their children's actions when their children come into their own accountability?
How is God responsible for Adam and Eve's choices? God warned them "ahead of time" what they could do and shouldn't do... and the good or bad consequences of each. And out of all the many different varieties of trees in that garden... there was only ONE that they weren't suppose to tamper with... "one" out of possibly millions. Now why did they have to mess with that one forbidden thing? Why would God even put that tree there in the first place if it could cause them to fall? If God did not put that "one" tree there then A&E wouldn't have had the ability of "genuine", free will.
Because the one you obey or are "loyal" to... is the one you love. And that is what God is after, "genuine love".
If I left my son in a fenced in garden with " a tree with a fatal fruits and an immensely evil and dangerous serpent" - that I'd created, and my son had been affected by both of those.

I'd be charged with child abuse and neglect, and rightly so.

Theists would worship me.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#506485 Mar 19, 2013
scaritual wrote:
You're wrong, an atheist credits nothing to gods, but, theists do.
It's within that dialog between the atheist and theist concerning those deity myths, a strange thing occurs.
Theists are certain they know everything the mythical deity certainly does, or is responsible for, and also everything the mythical deity certainly does not do.
Yet, that varies from theist to theist; One says the deity did everything in 6 days; Another will say it was millions of years ago; Another says there was a world wide deluge; Another will say it was a localized event.
One will say "HA, that story is METAPHOR!", another will claim the same story to be literal.
This is what atheist observes during these conversations with theists. Multiple and widely ranging divergent beliefs - all concerning the same - and I should stress that -*the same deity*.
It isn't just the Abrahamic god(S) that the atheist sees this phenomena.
Every believer in a different deity I've ever spoken with evidences the same types of inconsistencies, concerning what their deity is, or does, or in how that deity interacts with the commonly shared reality humans operate in. Just talk to them. It's easy to see.
My position(as an atheist) remains constant and consistent. I do not have a theistic belief there are deities. I do not credit deities with anything.
The theist position is inconsistent when describing what their deity does or is, or how it operates.
So, when the atheist asks:
"Does your deity do this?" "Did your deity create that as well?" "Why did your deity make that?"
It isn't because we think your deity did anything.
We want to see what you think your deity does - and let me tell you - that answer varies from theist to theist, denomination to denomination, from one deity to another, and it's always the same.
Erratic and confused.
You all have different beliefs, even when discussing the beliefs of the believers who believe in the same deities.
None of you know what your mythical deity is about, you have some vague ideas, and some central point(a creation, laws, intents, all vague, still)
The atheist might as well be spinning a wheel with multiple answers pasted upon it concerning the mythical deity.
The results would be the same. Ask the same question 5 times, get 5 different answers.
The theist has no real idea what their mythical deity does or would be responsible for.
We(atheists) see beliefs of the theist that vary about what they believe it(deity) does, and that varies, even on the same questions, asked of the same person.
What the theist answers with today might change tomorrow.
Theism: Confusion and conflicting answers concerning their mythic deities. That they are 100% certain of.
hahaaaa
*pees on the wall*

What?

“Ditat Deus”

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#506486 Mar 19, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Alpha and omega are Greek letters. Did the Greeks write the Bible?
Here's a wonderful article on how the bible was written.

http://www.truthnet.org/Bible-Origins/4_How_w...

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506487 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot, "to a non-believer".
Just sayin...
So you understand the non-believer part, good.

“Ditat Deus”

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#506489 Mar 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
So you classify yourself as a "fake" Christian..."on the fence" Christian..."wanna have fun" Christian???
If you don't think you are genuinely Christian...then why call yourself one at all?
Or are you just kidding on me??? LOL
Come on RR...let your little so shine!
We outsiders will still like ya...well at least I will.
I'm kidding.

Im a born again Christian that loves Jesus Christ.

But I'm not above temptation, if you know what I mean...

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506490 Mar 19, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>eternal death of the soul, is nothing to mock.
I think the soul concept is a silly one.
Is that "mocking"?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#506491 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
And if that were true, atheists wouldn't have bothered with creating websites like evilbible....
Sure they would, just like people who don't agree with or believe in nuclear weapons make sites that point out the folly of nuclear weapons.

Or pollution, or animal abuse, fossil fuels or any other thing a person does not have a belief in.

They utilize many ways to speak out against that.

Deities included.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#506493 Mar 19, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>A HOLY woman wouldn't expose herself.
Amen... AND would not condone gay marriage.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

2 Timothy 4:3

That time is here my brother.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506494 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot, "to a non-believer".
Just sayin...
No, not only to a non-believer.

"God has a plan" is not a satisfactory answer to any question.

It's equivalent to saying, "I have no idea, and yeah, it doesn't make sense, so WTF, let's jast say it's God's plan."

Question: Why does God allow innocent children to die of leukemia?
Answer: God has a plan.

That's not an answer, it's kicking the can up to the sky.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#506495 Mar 19, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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How many anti-pink unicorn sites are there?
Anti-pixie dust?
Anti-leprechaun?
Anti-Buddha?
Anti-Santa?
No, no, no. It seems the atheists are only interested in God. They seem to spend more time discussing Him than theists do.
Statement from the following web site...

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/unic...

Argument for and against (wasn't sure what they were trying to prove! LOL) the "invisible" pink unicorn...

"Invisible pink unicorns?

Can we determine the existence/non-existence of invisible pink unicorns? Actually, the answer is "yes." Unicorns would be pink if they reflected pink electromagnetic radiation (i.e., light). However, in order to be invisible, the unicorns would reflect no electromagnetic radiation. Therefore, the term "invisible pink unicorn" is self contradictory. Therefore, we know absolutely that they could not exist. I don't know who invented the term "invisible pink unicorns," but they were obviously deficient in their physics education.

However, for the sake of argument, let's change the term and drop the "pink" part. Is it possible to determine whether or not invisible unicorns exist somewhere in the universe? Technically, it would be very unlikely that any organism would be invisible. The only reasonable chemical basis for living organisms in this universe is carbon-based life. This would ensure that unicorns would always be visible. Although possible that unicorns might be invisible due to being made of anti-matter, such existence would be problematic, since their interaction with ordinary matter would result in their immediate and spectacular destruction. Could unicorns be made of exotic matter? While possible, there is no evidence from physics that any creatures could be made of exotic matter. At present, it is possible to detect exotic matter only indirectly through particle physics and through its ability to bend light (only detectable through gravitational lensing of distant galaxies). At this point, we would be unable to detect a unicorn made of exotic matter. So, although we can be fairly certain that invisible unicorns do not exist in the universe, we could not take the strong aunicornist stance.

Alone in the Universe: Why Our Planet Is UniqueIs it possible that pink unicorns might exist somewhere in the universe? As of today, we don't know if life exists outside of our Solar System. Some scientists believe that life is common throughout the universe, while others think that all life or only advanced life is rare in the universe. The origin of life by naturalistic means seems extremely improbable. In addition, the earth seems to exhibit unusual design, since the existence of tectonic activity on such a small planet for such a long period of time is probably the result of an extremely unlikely collision event early in its history. Without tectonic activity, the earth would be a waterworld, since continents would not form. Advanced life (beyond fish) cannot exist on such a planet (hence no unicorns).

Atheism requires that abiogenesis (a naturalistic origin of life) is at least possible, if not likely, and that habitable planets are common throughout the universe. Such a scenario, if true, would make it likely that pink unicorns do exist somewhere in the universe. Therefore, an atheist would be illogical to assume a strong aunicornist stance. The unicorn argument as an argument against the existence of God fails logically, since it is not possible to definitively show that unicorns do not exist somewhere in the universe."

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#506498 Mar 19, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>If you're their friend, they know you're a Christian right? So ask them if they think Jesus Christ would approve of them getting married.
More than likely the conversation would end right there.
Let me ask you a question.

If two male friends of Jesus told him they were getting married to each other, what would Jesus say to them?

And, what's the basis for your answer?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#506499 Mar 19, 2013
hick-up wrote:
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Sheese ...folks make it difficult. I mean; you're talking to a bunch of people that still adorn themselves and each other with pretty rocks. And it's done all over the world ...value's, attitudes, beliefs ...macho, feminine ...culture matters little.
The universe is alive, the millions of galaxy's beat to a rhythm we can't comprehend. Life doesn't begin at conception, nor does it end with earthly death. People might as well be arguing over whats at the other end of a black hole.
Good post HU :)

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