Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Ditat Deus”

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#505813 Mar 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Which means God is ultimately responsible for everything man does.
No way around it, one can only out blinders on.
The Truth that no one wants to face is that God is responsible for everything in the UNiverse including "Evil".
Not sure why Abrahamics have to try to make God out to be something it clearly is not.
In human terms, God is the most evil thing in the Universe.
Prove it.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#505814 Mar 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I'm guessing your position is sort of like this:
If there is divinity, it's not understandable by humans. It doesn't share human morality (or immorality), but humans attempt to understand it through religion - and they can only ever gain a very, very small comprehension of something unimaginable.
That isn't to say it doesn't have morality, just that its moral views would include an understanding of the the entirety of the universe, the afterlife, and outside the universe, meaning that no human could grasp it until experiencing it directly when no longer in possession of a body (i.e., dead).
Am I off here?
Other than an afterlife, spot on.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#505815 Mar 18, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Lady. Don't you see a perfect creation would amount to you being born a robot? Not a bad thing being God's robot, but still a robot.
Sure. And that I am not a robot means we don't have a perfect Creator.
You're almost in an impossible position. because I don't know if you even believe in [sin].
I don't. It's a cultural construct. We don't have the concept in Japanese culture. So, when I moved to America, I was pretty stunned. It took me a while before I realized that Western cultures internalize ritualistic meaning to behaviors that makes them feel guilty.
If sin was not introduced into existence, then Malaria would not happen. When the first man and woman fell Adam and Eve, Creation fell as well. Man is no more perfect, Man can now CHOOSE. And Man, chose sin. And the earth is no more perfect, its now a fallen creation. And diseases and destruction follows.
I'm going to stop right there.
Good place to stop. Now I can tell you how silly that myth is.

First, it denigrates humans.
Second, it makes God look foolish and stupid as the Creator who "didn't know."
Third, it makes God look evil - as the Creator who doesn't want to share.

Fourth, it's just a myth. It's not real. Cute story and all, but it's exactly like Pandora's box - fiction.
Because whenever I get to pointing theology like this out, one thought that always enters my mind, is these verses from the bible.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4 ESV
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Romans 8:7-8 ESV
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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Yeah. Look, I already know you're a believer. I know you believe this stuff. For me, it's just one religion's mythology. It tells me a lot about your religion, but doesn't address the logical problems of your religion's claims.
So you know what, I not even going to try. Because unfortunately I believe only a spiritual breakthrough can affect your understanding. And this billboard can't provide a spiritual breakthrough.
hahaha!
And I feel bad for you to. Because I don't think you here to make people atheists like you. I truly think you desperately want to believe, but you truly cannot. And I think its mostly that you Can't, than you Won't. Your understanding, won't let you.
What's the use of arguing or discussing an issue with someone, where there minds cannot allow them to understand? the essence of futility.
whew! sad sad. God help you lady. Somehow God help you.
That's awesome. You're right - what is the point in arguing with someone who cannot see their religious views from the outside?

We can't argue. All you can do is explain your religious beliefs again and again and tell me how I'm missing out - again, like all religious believers, you "know" you've got the right one. So I'm sorry to say, your mythological argument simply isn't convincing. And nor are the mental gymnastics you're required to believe so that you never confront the logical problems in your religion.

But, really, don't worry. All religions have logical failures and they all do the same thing - invent crazy scenario upon crazy scenario to avoid addressing the logical failure.

“Ditat Deus”

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#505816 Mar 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I never blame a tool for the faults its manufacturer deliberatley designed into it.
God is responsible for everything.
Then you don't believe we have free will?

Since: May 09

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#505817 Mar 18, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Coming from YOU this response is quite predictable, actually I discovered this on the video sidebar when I was looking at one of OUR churches video's, and was taken back by the hypocrisy, she is not suppose to be preaching regardless.........let along with her breast exposed.
Are you aware that youtube provides those video sidebar suggestions based on your viewing history?

huh oh...

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#505818 Mar 18, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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sad but the truth
All my life I can not handle those organize spiritual yokes of evil,moral dung and fallen mankind because they took a spiritual power of all people
please?take my sometimes ugly respond as Joke,
but they doesn't mean anything bad against you,or your personal life
IF YOU ARE BELIEVER,REGARDLESS WHAT YOUR MOUTH ARE,UGLY SPOKEN,OR BAD JOKES,
THAT HEART ANYWAY BELONGS TO YOU AND IF GOD ACCEPT BELONGS TO GOD TOO. ROMANS 8;16
Have blessed day
<smile>
Uhm...didn't you just send me no less than 3 fart-posts?

Just out of curiosity, what do farts mean to you? Are they like religious? Here you're blessing me - is there a connection?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#505819 Mar 18, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
please?take my sometimes ugly respond as Joke,
but they doesn't mean anything bad against you,or your personal
Oops, I totally missed that. Thanks! You too :)

btw, fart in Japanese is "onara."

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#505820 Mar 18, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>A HOLY woman wouldn't expose herself.
Says who ?

Why are you so hung up on flesh ?

If you were innocent you wouldn't even have noticed her anymore than one would gasp at the sight of a naked baby.

You should be ashamed of yourself! If thine eyes offend thee, pluck them out! The sin is in you, not the world around you.
Now go! And Sin no more!

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#505821 Mar 18, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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First NS...I am and have always been grateful that you and I can share and discuss our differences with respect for each other. I give credit for that to you because I truly believe that you try to understand my view point.
There is another reason at least IMO that we non-religious have a hard time communicating with a believer.
When I first came here there were few posting on this thread at the time. I felt welcomes...I felt that people liked me for who I am. Then others started coming back to this thread and that is where it began to change.
I heard phrases such as "angle of darkness", "satans daughter", "dog vomit", "enemy" and the list goes on. I guess I was naive...I did not know that Christians felt that way. So I went on my journey of finding out for myself...was this taught? Was it scriptural? Was this part of their belief?
Somehow when I was living in faith...I missed that part of the Bible. I honestly did not know. I still ignored it...as time passed however...I had no choice but to realize that is part of the belief.
I have to ask...if that is how I am viewed...how can one call me friend? How can one say they love me when I are viewed as dog vomit? Why would one welcome me here if I am seen as evil, immoral, wicked...
I have a problem with that...I see it though on this thread...
So...even if science proves one day...one way or the other...will it change the ability of us to communicate as long as there are those labels still attached?
I know that you try not to judge people NS based on some of our past conversations but how do you come to terms with what the Bible teaches and how you view people. Is there something that I am missing from what I have read in the Bible and how it is applied.
I don't know...
If you would rather not answer I certainly would understand.
I will always try to give you an open and honest response to any of your questions, I am thankful that you ask them. I am going to start with where you say “ I know that you try not to judge people NS based on some of our past conversations but how do you come to terms with what the Bible teaches and how you view people.” and try to tie the rest in. Chances are this will be a rather long post so I will apologize ahead of time. If what you are implying in your comment is that the way that I treat others is not called for by the Bible, or not something that my Christian faith teaches, I disagree adamantly. In fact I believe both do just that. Let me start with what I base all my beliefs upon when it comes to instruction from the Bible. We find Jesus to tell us exactly what two commandments are the most important:
37 Jesus replied:“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matt22:37-40
The first to me is pretty self explanatory, but the second is where I think people can disagree (as I have seen done). I am going to tell you what it means to me personally. To me, anyone that crosses my path in life is my neighbor. So I should love all the people in my life as I love myself. The definition of love found within the Bible:
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7.
So you now understand that it is my belief that you personally are my neighbor, whom I am told to love as I do myself per the Bible. Some Christians will say that because you are not a Christian, this is not the case, I disagree. Here is why:

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“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#505822 Mar 18, 2013
Continued:
Luke 10:25-37
New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus.“Teacher,” he asked,“what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied.“How do you read it?”
27 He answered,“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[a]; and,‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b]”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied.“Do this and you will live.”
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus,“And who is my neighbor?”
30 In reply Jesus said:“A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper.‘Look after him,’ he said,‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied,“The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him,“Go and do likewise.”

I do not know Gods plan for you, all I know is what I feel God is asking of me. To me I am being called to treat everyone with the love as described in the Bible. It is also one of the hardest things for me to do. From the cashier that snaps at me to the guy that cut me off in traffic - I am not to be easily angered and need to show patients and kindness to all. In my opinion my life (and character) should be a testimony to what I believe Gods message is for all. Love. If one truly looks at the words of Jesus found within the Bible, how can they not truly know that unbelievers should not be treated with hate and scorn?

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“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#505823 Mar 18, 2013
It is my belief that the Bible is intended as a guide for the believer, and should be used to personally learn and grow in faith as we apply the teachings to our own life. When you talk about your experience of believers calling you things such as dog vomit, it is inexcusable in my opinion. The Bible states clearly that a Christian living amongst pagans must live such a life that they can see the Christians good deeds, and to show proper respect to everyone.(In saving space I did not post the scripture but what I am referring to is in 1 Peter 2 11-25 a link to it will be at the end of my post for anyone wanting to reference it.) The Bible also tells us what we should produce as Christians:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Gal 5:22-23
In my opinion, the Bible tells me that I should behave exactly in the manner in which I do. Along with putting God first, it is the foundation that I am building upon, as I grow in my faith. You can find some very discouraging things in the Bible when it comes to sin and unbelief. I think that they are to be studied by believers to make sure that they are looking within and dealing with any issues that they personally have. As a Christian if I am sitting here calling you names, slandering you or dishonoring you, what am I accomplishing other than showing you that I do not have the personal character that I believe the Bible calls me to?

I hope that covered everything, and sorry if I was not clear in any way. If you need clarification on anything, please let me know. Ouch, my hands are cramping LOL!! I hope you are having a wonderful day today AnnieJ….I somehow lost my spot in here again, going to try to find it and catch up.

1 Peter 2 11-25:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#505824 Mar 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Why would a perfect creator create a POS ?
AS for Elohim:
YHWY said to humans "You are all Elohim" in Psalm 82.
Elohim is "Gods".
Don't blame me. I didn't right the book. Chrisitnaity is the one claiming it is the perfect word of God. Maybe it just an IMPERFECT word of God ?
Psalm 82 is not addressing you & I. It was addressing civil governors, kings, pharaohs, etc that thought of themselves as gods.

Context is key, my friend.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#505825 Mar 18, 2013
I think topix ate my middle post?:P

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#505826 Mar 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahaha! I wrote something, then deleted it, then wrote something, then deleted it.
You, sir, have me at a loss for words!
A happy heart needs few words. <smile>

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#505827 Mar 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The creative one.
That leads to several and for many thousands of years. Several before the Christian or Hebrew god(s).

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#505828 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Very easily. God created humans, not more of Himself. We are weak, fragile little things that need all sorts of things just to be alive - and much more to really live.
Ok, so you believe that God is Perfect and that He Created imperfect humans. And, when I ask you how is that possible, you're answer is to repeat that you believe Perfect God Created imperfect humans.

Yes, we established what you believe, RR :)

But not how you get around the logical problem here.
We humans create things all the time, but nothing we create is anything like us. Ever.
Really? Our technology is full of flaws, has personality, can be cute or ugly, changes throughout history and fashion - our technology is very, very human!

Haven't you ever yelled at your computer? Or said "come on baby!" to your car?
Of course He knew it would happen. If our lives were perfect and needed nothing, we'd all still be in the garden of Eden, ignorant and naive.
That's...uhm...exactly what the myth writes God wanted. Remember? God was pissed about the apple thing.
No, but I see why you're confused.
I live life confused.
What we know currently about malaria is besides the point.
Well, my original question was "why would a perfectly moral being, who is omniscient and omnipotent, create malaria? Recall that malaria mostly kills children under 5."
God created us in his own image, which does not mean God has a head, a torso, two arms and two legs.
If I were to sum up God in one word, that word would be knowledge.
I believe that God wants us to gain more and more and more in our knowledge to help us become more "in his image".
That would certainly not explain how the Bible God treats humans - remember the Tower of Babel? Or the Apple and the subsequent creation of the concept "original sin"? In that story He forbade the young protagonists from eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. That doesn't really sound like the Riverside deity you are describing.

But it's all good. You see, my argument boils down to "all humans live lives of subjective and not objective lives. Believers honestly subjectively experience their deities as real."

So, for me, you've got God in your life and He's an RR's subjective God.

My argument continues "since all believers of all religions subjectively experience their deities and not other religions' deities, we can claim that the deities of any particular religion are not objectively experienced by all humans. Further, the atheists' subjective realities includes no deities - and the subjective experience of no deities overlaps with all believers' in all religions experiences of religions other than their own.

Therefore deities cannot objectively exist."

Thanks :)

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#505829 Mar 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Sure. And that I am not a robot means we don't have a perfect Creator.
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I don't. It's a cultural construct. We don't have the concept in Japanese culture. So, when I moved to America, I was pretty stunned. It took me a while before I realized that Western cultures internalize ritualistic meaning to behaviors that makes them feel guilty.
<quoted text>
Good place to stop. Now I can tell you how silly that myth is.
First, it denigrates humans.
Second, it makes God look foolish and stupid as the Creator who "didn't know."
Third, it makes God look evil - as the Creator who doesn't want to share.
Fourth, it's just a myth. It's not real. Cute story and all, but it's exactly like Pandora's box - fiction.
<quoted text>
Yeah. Look, I already know you're a believer. I know you believe this stuff. For me, it's just one religion's mythology. It tells me a lot about your religion, but doesn't address the logical problems of your religion's claims.
<quoted text>
hahaha!
<quoted text>
That's awesome. You're right - what is the point in arguing with someone who cannot see their religious views from the outside?
We can't argue. All you can do is explain your religious beliefs again and again and tell me how I'm missing out - again, like all religious believers, you "know" you've got the right one. So I'm sorry to say, your mythological argument simply isn't convincing. And nor are the mental gymnastics you're required to believe so that you never confront the logical problems in your religion.
But, really, don't worry. All religions have logical failures and they all do the same thing - invent crazy scenario upon crazy scenario to avoid addressing the logical failure.
Are there behaviors or deeds in your pass or even in your present [behind and off this billboard] that you have guilty feelings about or am ashamed of?

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#505830 Mar 18, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Are you aware that youtube provides those video sidebar suggestions based on your viewing history?
huh oh...
Perhaps, and my viewing history on youtube is browsing other church based sermons just to poise time, and that was included as such, THAT is why it was there,lol.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#505831 Mar 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Psalm 82 is not addressing you & I. It was addressing civil governors, kings, pharaohs, etc that thought of themselves as gods.
Context is key, my friend.
So only special humans are Gods ?

Jesus, Pharoe, Caesar, Obama, Hitler,

BTW, in the Pslam God says "You are Gods. You are Sons of YHWY"

He does NOT say anything like "You THINK you are God"

Feel free to rewrite it any way you want. It is a Chrisitna tradition to do so. LOL

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#505832 Mar 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Other than an afterlife, spot on.
So you believe in some kind of unknowable divinity, but no afterlife?

No critique here - just curious.

And afterlives are cool! Though I'm almost 100% positive they don't exist, I want one, damnit!

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