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“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

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Brother Lee Love wrote:
You see, at times like this, I can't help but think that unbelievers are already well aware of what the bible says in regards to the questions asked, but unbelievers ask anyway.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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You seem to have a very limited understanding of questioning another person. It isn't always to learn to believe what they believe.
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BLL seems to think it is black or white as to the reasons that one might ask questions. IMO he is not seeing the 1000s of shades of grey in between.

Goes back to the thinking of "you are either for or against us".

Some don't seem to realize that it is not always the case...there are those of us that is somewhere in the middle...just trying to figure out why neither side resonates...kind of like "stuck in the middle".

I have decided that I am okay being in that mud puddle...letting the mud squish between my toes. I will continue to stick a toe out on either side...as if to remind myself why I prefer the mud puddle.

Strange...I am okay with that.

Well...there is more but once again I find myself letting my mind ramble to other thoughts...to other places...best maybe to not make any mud pies today!

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Okay...a little rambling...

Found this...

As the mask of deception falls off the face of humanity
Unveiling the grim reality of duality
In which everyone is a casualty, no one will be exempt
Truth has many shades
It's not a matter of black and white, but gray
Although many, we are one, so in the final analysis
Could it be that we are fighting a war that can't be won?

http://rapgenius.com/Bob-bombs-away-lyrics#no...

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Peace_Warrior wrote:
Supposed-to-be-Christians were the first to spit at me.
I was nobody...
Not good enough to go to their church...
Not worth the time...
...yet in the streets and gutters of homeless life I still found...
...gay's who fed me when I was hungry.
...atheists who gave me somewhere to sleep when I was weary.
...humanists who gave me water to drink when I was thirsty.
...philosophizers who cared enough when I was sick.
...agnostics that visited me in prison.
...wiccans who gave me something to ware.
...no-bodies who invited me in.
An endless list over 10 years... and an endless rejection from Christians
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How do you account for that? And what does it say about the influence of the Christian church on people?
.. it instills fear ..

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Just to clarify.
I have no belief in a "Spiritual world," whatever that may mean.
My spiritual feelings all arise from my personal experience in this natural world of ours.
I do not believe in the supernatural.
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<quoted text>Oh; that makes no sense to me at all, but thanks for filling me in. I thought that you didn't believe in the Spiritual world, but have no idea of what could be spiritual without being in the Spiritual world :)
Inward Man = Spiritual Man

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
What I was looking for was one Christian to tell Dim that he was out of line for repeatedly calling his errors in comprehension my lies, and for refusing to even try to show one of those lies. I was hoping one of you would ask him to show you such a lie, and then chastise him when he failed. That never happened.
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The reason that didn't happen could be because we all read the conversation.
You're saying that the reason neither Dim, you, nor any other Christian was able to post and link to two quotations of mine that contradicted one another and could reasonably be called a lie, which is what Dim accused me of - is because you "all read the conversation"?

I say it's because you can't find anything worthy of being called a lie, and you don't care if Dim is accurate or not. You don't need or expect him to provide evidence to justify his calumny, and you don't need it yourself to pile on.

That implies that you have the same standards as Dim. You don't need evidence, you don't need to be right, and you don't need to be honest. You just need to despise whatever you despise and that is all the justification you need, even now.

Incidentally, "could be" are weasel words. I suspect that you added them so that you could distance yourself from your answer if necessary.

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Illuminatrix wrote:
I personally think it's a game and that you know very well what you post. Going back to read a post you make is evidence enough and not that different to copying and pasting it.
A game? Of course I know what I post. I know that I don't lie.

When did you go back and read a post that I made? Which post? And how did that establish Dim's claims? And why wouldn't you provide that smoking gun evidence of my lie if you had it? Do you expect me or anybody else to believe that you or Dim could have done that, but didn't feel like it? That's simply not credible.

Let me show you one more time how you show that somebody has lied.

[1] At http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... ...

IANS said: "You'll have to take your dime store psychology elsewhere. I am as immune to it as I am to you shaking the Scary Chicken."

Trifecta said: "It really was not written for you :)"

[2] Then, at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... ...

Catcher said: "Oh, ok. I'm also immune."

Trifecta said: "I wrote it pertaining to the writer [it ain't necessarily so] but it pertains not only to him, but pretty much to every freethinker on here that came from Christianity."

[3] Finally, I confronted Trifecta with the inconsistence at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

IANS said: "@ the Christians: This is the evidence that I am not looking for reasons to call Christians "moron" or "liar." This would have been the perfect time if that were my preference.@ Dim, who is a moron: That is how you demonstrate a possible lie. You juxtapose two contradictory comments exactly as they originally appeared with corroborating links. Even so, I have not called Trifecta a liar. He is invited to explain first why that is not a contradiction. Even if he doesn't, I won't call him a liar."

Trifecta said: "oh you feelings hurt?? aww too bad. You're a Religious Slave. And I will explain in detail when I get back from conducting pressing business matters later tonight. Of course the writing was for you, I responded to you writings. But it was not only for you."

Is, "It really was not written for you" a lie? Probably. The evidence suggests so. But there is also the possibility of a misunderstanding. I gave Trifecta the opportunity to explain himself, which you can see that he said that he would do, but to my knowledge, he never did. He just says that he wrote the words to me and others after he said that the words weren't written for me.

And true to my word, I never called him a liar.

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What Dim did very different - very much less. He reported what he remembered from two conversations of mine that he thought contradicted one another, and called me a liar based on that recollection. Three months later, after repeated exhortations to put up or shut up, Dim produced one of the comments, which it turns out he misunderstood - the "Nope" line about refusing to explain the difference between "proof" and "evidence" to him.

And he has never done better. Not once. He did that repeatedly with several other comments that he claimed I made but which he also never produced in the manner I just showed you - the only way possible to establish the claim that a poster has contradicted himself

The fact is that he can point to no lie from me, and neither can you or any other Christian here. That is why you haven't, not for whatever unbelievable answer you gave above.

And I have judged all of you that called me a liar Dim's morally equivalent, and the rest who stood idly by and never said a thing to Dim to have condoned his ethics as lacking character as well to a lesser degree. Right is right. But not to this group of Christians.

And of course, that was my point. I don't care what Dim calls me any more than I care what Dr. Shrink calls me. My purpose is to show Christianity in action in every day life. Evidence and moral courage not part of your repertoire, but self-forgiveness and quick and angry judgment and are.

QED.

I also showed that my rationalist standards for evidence are superior to either Dims or yours, which implies that my conclusions are likely sounder. It's probably not a coincidence that people who don't value evidence and reason have come to a different conclusion about gods than people with higher standards for what constitutes truth.

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Illuminatrix wrote:
Ok, you said 'evidence' he said 'proof'. I've you you make that mistake, with me even. No, I'm not going back and copy pasting the same exact thing here. There is no rule that says everyone has to post in the same style as you :-)
Juice. Are you being dishonest or just torpid? He said more than "proof." He said "liar."

There are rules of evidence and argument. If you want to make a case, you have to follow them. Until you do, you just have an allegation. And apparently, that's good enough for you.

Also, I doubt that you have seen me make any kind of a mistake except in typing. You certainly have never seen me confuse "evidence" and "proof." I could call you a liar for that, but I answer to higher gods than you do: reason and justice.

“Ungood doubleplus duckspeak.”

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
A game? Of course I know what I post. I know that I don't lie.

When did you go back and read a post that I made? Which post? And how did that establish Dim's claims? And why wouldn't you provide that smoking gun evidence of my lie if you had it? Do you expect me or anybody else to believe that you or Dim could have done that, but didn't feel like it? That's simply not credible.

Let me show you one more time how you show that somebody has lied.

[1] At http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... ...

IANS said: "You'll have to take your dime store psychology elsewhere. I am as immune to it as I am to you shaking the Scary Chicken."

Trifecta said: "It really was not written for you :)"

[2] Then, at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... ...

Catcher said: "Oh, ok. I'm also immune."

Trifecta said: "I wrote it pertaining to the writer [it ain't necessarily so] but it pertains not only to him, but pretty much to every freethinker on here that came from Christianity."

[3] Finally, I confronted Trifecta with the inconsistence at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

IANS said: "@ the Christians: This is the evidence that I am not looking for reasons to call Christians "moron" or "liar." This would have been the perfect time if that were my preference.@ Dim, who is a moron: That is how you demonstrate a possible lie. You juxtapose two contradictory comments exactly as they originally appeared with corroborating links. Even so, I have not called Trifecta a liar. He is invited to explain first why that is not a contradiction. Even if he doesn't, I won't call him a liar."

Trifecta said: "oh you feelings hurt?? aww too bad. You're a Religious Slave. And I will explain in detail when I get back from conducting pressing business matters later tonight. Of course the writing was for you, I responded to you writings. But it was not only for you."

Is, "It really was not written for you" a lie? Probably. The evidence suggests so. But there is also the possibility of a misunderstanding. I gave Trifecta the opportunity to explain himself, which you can see that he said that he would do, but to my knowledge, he never did. He just says that he wrote the words to me and others after he said that the words weren't written for me.

And true to my word, I never called him a liar.
Patting your head.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Juice. Are you being dishonest or just torpid? He said more than "proof." He said "liar."

There are rules of evidence and argument. If you want to make a case, you have to follow them. Until you do, you just have an allegation. And apparently, that's good enough for you.

Also, I doubt that you have seen me make any kind of a mistake except in typing. You certainly have never seen me confuse "evidence" and "proof." I could call you a liar for that, but I answer to higher gods than you do: reason and justice.
He said liar because you denied what you posted, on the basis that you used the word evidence instead of proof. You play people, then get indignant when they do it back or call you on it.*shrugs*

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G_O_D wrote:
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In as much as you have a pantheon of deities that are no more or less credible than the deities of the pagan religion they are based upon, it was a very pertinent question.
What God are you talking about ? YHWY, El, Zeus, Jupiter, Jesus, Christ, Holy Ghost, Satan, Lucifer ? All are names Christianity uses for their main deities.
Of course since most Christians are ignorant of the truth I see your confusion.
Oh, gee....

Silly me, I forgot about the Christians that worship Zeus, Satan and Jupiter...

O_o

WTF?

Christians worship God. If you like, God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit. ALl are the same.

God.

Don't be so naive.

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Good early morning Trifectal, thank you for the correspondence, but as the Word admonishes us to save ourselves, the prayer of the faithful toward one another does help, because we ALL need constant prayer to be honest my friend, our daily need of prayer from others and above all for Christ to sustain us in our walk with him does not end when we become saved.
THank you and many Blessings.
Totally agree, blessing to you too.

What do you think about the new pope? I'm not a catholic, but because he is from the americas where I'm from, makes it very exciting.

He also came out strongly against homosexual marriage. So there won't be no liberal pope with pope francis. I like the guy and his humility. I pray he does well.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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The only difference is that you can (usually) visually determine a person's race, but not his sexual orientation. People are born with their race, and with their sexual orientation.
Bigotry is bigotry, RR.
Where's HL when I need her?
"People are born with their race, and with their sexual orientation."

LOL

More opinions?

That assumption has been neither confirmed or denied so don't spout it off like it's the truth.

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wilderide wrote:
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Why is the woman subjugated to the man?
'Cuz men are better.... Stronger, faster, smarter, more logical.

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justify your deity?

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
Wow, I am sorry to hear about your mother and your hands, but very happy to hear that she taught at the London Conservatoire. And who cares if it's spelled wrong!
I am not "on leave." I don't work for the military. I live and work as an anthropologist in Tokyo.
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Interesting...
What do you mean 'won't work for the military'?
I did remember you were an anthropologist from that time back... I believe that was when you told me first your friend was going to - or had been - to Vanuatu.
I was watching the moment the first vision of that horror Tsunami came over Japan. So tragic! The other night a documentary on the Fucushima nuke plant.
So what then is 'safety' of one such plant, if no-one could see that wave coming.
One dear lady from the zone has left her home open for the stray cats, and still goes back 2 x week to leave food for them. But a lot of radiation probs!
Sad...
You misread. You put a "w" where there's a "d."

The rest is complicated. Government officials chose to build a failure of a plant 40 years ago. The took most precautions, but skimped a little. It withstood a 9.1 magnitude earthquake - that is fully 10000 times more powerful than the one that leveled Haiti's capital.

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Illuminatrix wrote:
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I won't say here how I know you're a fraud.
Coward.

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River Tam wrote:
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Because the Bible clearly and succinctly points it out in Romans 12:2.
"Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will."
When metaphorically translated it reads: Hiding is a fraud.
Duh, get an education, Miss.
Any way you spell it, Illuminatrix is a coward.

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Illuminatrix wrote:
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Thank you but I don't need your permission to believe whatever I like.
How many of the words on this post would you say are yours?
All of them, coward.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, gee....
Silly me, I forgot about the Christians that worship Zeus, Satan and Jupiter...
O_o
WTF?
Christians worship God. If you like, God, Jesus & The Holy Spirit. ALl are the same.
God.
Don't be so naive.
Don't be so ignorant.

Your religion uses the exact same names the Greeks and Romans used for their Cheif God. "Deus Pater" is NOT YHWY nor El it is Zeus/Jupiter.

Thanks for playing, sorry you lost. You aren't the weakest link though. <smile>

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Illuminatrix wrote:
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Actually, if you look into it, most of her writings lead to the writings of many other Scientists, actual ones not pretend. Unless of course, she is all of them and not who she really is of course. No, I won't expose her or provide 'evidence' here either, no matter how many irrelevant opinions of me you and your half sock army post. You're all very good at copying and pasting, I'll give you that, but then, so is my 9 year old. You figure it out, unless of course, you already know.
Wow. You are seriously stupid. And a coward.

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Illuminatrix wrote:
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So far I've only hinted and have also said I will not expose her here. The only posters here they do and will know me even remotely are ones I can trust. Non trolls. I wouldn't say a thing against anyone if they were not using their pretend intellect to abuse people. Yeah, I'm aggressive, I wasn't always but many would be if they were me. I don't go around Atheist threads telling them how stupid they are just for kicks. I do not mock people's personal and painful experiences. Why? Because I don't believe that to be right, I believe everyone has the right to their own beliefs and that 'free speech' is a two way street that doesn't necessarily have to include gleeful nastiness.
Coward.

You have nothing to back up your filthy lies, coward.

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