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Mar 12, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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So you believe that one is saved though faith, not by acts? So the actions of a believer don't matter?
they require both. But if one believes and don't have access to the bible or a church, YWHW will lead that person to act in a way pleasing to YHWH.

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Mar 12, 2013
 
wilderide wrote:
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God may not be limited to a book, but if God inspired that book, then isn't that book a record of God's instructions to humans?
Are people just expected to hear that some guy named Jesus once lived and claimed to be God? And if you believe in that, then you go to heaven? What if people question that claim, or want to know more? Are they sent to Hell for that?
You've probably heard that some people think Muhammad was God's most holy prophet. If you don't accept that claim on it's face, then you are sent to eternal Hell. Sound reasonable?
Reasonable? iyai!lol.

You must think you dealing with a human when it comes to YHWH.

My thing is, everybody will not have access to the bible. millions of people have lived and died since Christ was on earth and never have the bible or hear of Jesus. I don't believe all of those people are in hell.

I believe YHWH has a special eternal punishment, substantially more punishing, than a person who die just out of naturally being evil and wicked, than a person that die knowing the gospel of Jesus Christ, and choose to refuse the gift.

YHWH has a right to be insulted, angry and vengeful that someone would reject the sacrifice of the Son Jesus Christ.

Same I believe the opposite. That many of those millions of people that died never hearing about Jesus Christ, will be saved. God won't punish someone that never had a chance to reject a gift. The gift of Christ was never presented to them so they could not reject. YHWH will save many of those people based by means that I don't know.

So YHWH does not need the bible to save someone. How a person condemn themselves, is to know about YHWH Son the Christ, and reject that gift. That soul have some explaining to do to YHWH why they reject the Christ.

Better you than me writer. You plan you explanation from now, and good luck freethinker.

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Mar 12, 2013
 
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Ja... some can be scary despite!
My mum taught me when very small to 'listen for that very high pitched whistle' which they give before hitting... there was no noise pollution to come between. maybe the reason many don't today hear?
Nice to have a camper, as it sure is a spare home.
I bet you could fit under that there hat lil sister
>>>grin<<<
Well I honestly do not know about no high pitch whistle but learned they are sneaky shakers cause no warning.House of hard knocks and bumpy roads can make any gal's hat fit quick.Just best to be a one woman band and fly like a eagle free.

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Mar 12, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
I bet the roosters knew.

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Mar 12, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>Define a lot.
Try most of them. 82%. 3/4. 2/3. I would draw you a graph if I could :-)

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Mar 12, 2013
 
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>So far you've said: All the time, a lot and often.

When do we get to never? Ever?
Not everyone gets to never or ever.

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Mar 12, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I can't think of any.
But go ahead, I'll indugle you.
Prove to me that God doesn't exist.
Which one, Zeus or Jupiter ?

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scaritual wrote:
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If he puts a BIG boat under it and then gets a bunch of animals and...
never mind.
That's just plain ridiculous.
It isn't going to end by water this time. It will be fire.

I am building this big asbestos house and then I will get two of every animal, seven of the tasty ones......

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Mar 12, 2013
 
lil whispers wrote:
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No not interested in debate.
Just here to preach? No prob.

:)

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Mar 12, 2013
 
Grace Walker wrote:
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Hi wilderide
1 Corinthians 6:11 tells us this.. But you were "cleansed"; you were "made holy"; you were "made right with God" BY calling on the NAME of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If Knowing this makes a believer say..OH BOY, I can do WHATEVER I want now and still be saved....Did not genuinly accept Jesus Christ. How or WHY would a believer want to go back to their old life. God knew we could never obey Him Perfectly. Nobody has ever has been able to do that, except for Jesus. We Obey because we want too, NOT to earn salvation. When we become a child of God, we work in the mission fields, feed the homeless, visit the nursing homes, prisons ect..ect..because we have a New desire in our heart to do so, Not to earn anything. As an adult, When you go visit your earthly father, Do you help him work around his home because you HAVE to or because You want to without expecting anything in return? We do what we do out of Love, Honor and admiration. I understand that you don't believe and I am not pushing anything on you, I just wanted to explain this to you. I hope I was able to give a reasonable explanation as to WHY Christians...(at least most Christians) Do what we do. I don't hate an unbeliever. They are not an enemy to me. Have a nice night my friend.
And yet there are many examples of people who claim to be Christians who do terrible things regardless. So obviously the transformation you describe does not happen with any regularity. Conversely, there are many people who do live saintly lives who are not Christians. It seems logical to conclude that accepting Christ does not reliably result in a change of behavior.

The Bible claims that anyone is eligible to receive forgiveness if the believe in the story of the sacrifice of Jesus for their sins. The person's actions don't enter into it. It's not as if Jesus only suffered and died for the sins of those who would both believe and act in a certain way. Only belief is required.

And yet even that is contradicted by other passages which claim that works are required for salvation too. Paul, for example, opined that women were saved by faith and bearing children (1 Timothy 2:15), blaming Eve (and by extension all women) for the downfall of all humankind. This would seem to leave out women who were born barren.

Romans 4:2 - "For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?"

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Ecclesiastes 12:14 - "For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil."

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Romans 4:13 - "For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

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Matthew 16:27 - "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works."

It's a puzzlement.

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G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>Which one, Zeus or Jupiter ?
You're silly. Jupiter is a planet. Duh.

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Mar 12, 2013
 
G_O_D wrote:
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Which one, Zeus or Jupiter ?
Ugh....

Here we go again.

A Christian asks to prove God doesn't exist and the dumb ass has to ask which god.....

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Mar 12, 2013
 
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Mine goodness Epi... Things have changed a bit since those times Sister!
But... we all have ways of expressing our feelings.
I'm afraid I'm a bit less noisy than that.
>>>smile<<<
I thought you liked your pow-wows and your people?
That is "my people"...The TRIBE of Judah (Levi)

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Mar 12, 2013
 
Skombolis wrote:
@Wilde...this is the easiest way I can think to explain it. God can see across the entire timeline at once. Visualize it like this though...say when God looks in the future lets just use you as an example and a calendar. Pick any date on the calender in the future, lets say March 15, 2014. Then imagine God in the same room but invisible watching to see what you do all day. He doesnt make you do anything, anything you do you do of your own free will but God writes down everything you did that day and doesnt tell you. Well for all practical purposes for March 15, 2014 already took place. You cant do something diff than you already chose to do once on March 15, 2014 when March 15, 2014 rolls around in present time. God watching to see what decisions you made never took away your free will to make them
But again, if the future is knowable, then fate exists, and free will is impossible. Let's imagine God did not create fate, but can only see it. You still can't do otherwise. If you look at what you wrote "You cant do something diff..", you yourself seem to grasp this. You can't do anything differently. That means you have no free will. If you aren't omniscient you might not realize you have no free will, but that doesn't mean you aren't still an unknowing slave to fate. Assuming the future is predestined.

But if God, who purportedly created everything, is not responsible for fate, then who is? Did the creator and one who set the universe in motion really have nothing to do with the consequences?

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Mar 12, 2013
 
Adam wrote:
Chapter 170
God says thus to the man who shall faithfully serve him: "I know your works, that you work for me. As I live eternally, your love shall not exceed my bounty. Because you serve me as God your creator, knowing yourself to be my work, and ask nought of me save grace and mercy to serve me faithfully; because you set no end to my service, seeing you desire to serve me eternally: even so will I do, for I will reward you as if you were God, my equal. For not only will I place in your hands the abundance of paradise, but I will give you myself as a gift, so that, even as you are fain to be my servant for ever, even so will I make your wages forever."'
Wow, Adam posted something that didn't involve gay male sex! Bravo Adam, you are making progress.

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Illuminatrix wrote:
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Evil is not outside of God's plan, as far as I can understand it. However, much like Job and what I've already written to you, part of a Christian's refinement is to resist and rebuke the evil that is allowed to test them. By resisting temptation, not an easy thing, resisting the evil concepts of the world and resisting the evil within. A Christian is not meant to embrace evil but resist it, in order to pass the test, so to speak.
So God is responsible for evil and inflicts it on humans to test them. And the consequences for failing the test is eternal damnation? Or will your faith alone save you, and succumbing to evil does not ultimately matter? Moreover, if God is omniscient, what is the point of such testing? It seems like gratuitous pain and suffering at the hands of a not-so benevolent God.
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Mar 12, 2013
 
I am a recent convert to atheism. What can I say? I decided to grow up and embrace reality.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You don't speak for all homosexuals.
That may be YOUR view, and you're entitled to it.
I don't give a rats ass about gays, Wilde, I don't. But to say that they are "normal" is a pointless and baseless arguement.
When did I purport to speak for anyone but myself?

To say that gays are normal or not is irrelevant to anyone beyond the person making such a subjective statement. Your problem is that you confuse subjective opinion for facts in the world at large.

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trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>they require both. But if one believes and don't have access to the bible or a church, YWHW will lead that person to act in a way pleasing to YHWH.
But if salvation requires both, then you just greatly reduced the sacrifice of Jesus, because now it's not sufficient in itself.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because I'm honest?
A single tear rolls down my cheek....
If somebody says they can't stand black people, does he get points for honesty?

Come on, dude.

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