Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#500116 Mar 8, 2013
A horse walks into a bar.

The bartender looks at him and says, "Hey, why the long face?"

(Just a test)

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#500117 Mar 8, 2013
@ Tam... btw, Praise God that my first wife and I didn't have children of our own though we tried... she had a daughter prior to our coming together which obviously was my step-daughter.

But with what I was saying earlier... one has "a spiritual right" to get a divorce for marital unfaithfulness "if" that is the path they decide to take.

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#500118 Mar 8, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>As far as traditional marriage is concerned... Marital unfaithfulness breaks the wedding vow.
In my case, when I got back from one of my sea duties... my first wife had left (I had a stepdaughter) and I found out that she got pregnant with another guy's child. Fast-forward... she had the child and the guy that she was committing adultery with got reconciled to his own wife. So anyways, we were separated during that time. About a year before our divorce she got pregnant with some other man's child.
Simple as that... after our divorce she wanted to get back together. Nah.
So, because of that, you stopped loving her?

Was it an incremental thing or did you stop loving her after the last child was born?

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#500119 Mar 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Thank you. I have regrets, but not about my choices nor how I have lived my life - at least not those as an adult. I am lucky there.
My deepest regrets about my choices are from my youth. I regret the way I treated my first girlfriend at age sixteen. I was unkind in the way I broke it off. I didn't know how to do it better.
And I teased a girl in grade school with cerebral palsy. I hate that I did that, but didn't know better. I found that girl years later on Facebook, now a wife and mother, and expressed my shame and regret to her. She told me that she had gotten so much abuse in those days that she considered me one of the nicer people, never thought ill of me, and even confessed that she had had a crush on me. That just made me feel worse.
But I was a boy.
I also killed lizard by accident once when I lifter the rock it was under and couldn't hold it up. And I fired a pellet into a bird once, also as a boy. These are the episodes that left lasting impressions of regret.
I have a knack for being flippant. Some might call it a flaw.



That's the best damn show on TV right now, by the way.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

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#500120 Mar 8, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
Filthy smokers... nah I'm an abysmal failure at quitting...
Listen to this old song from Sting and Clapton. See if you can identify the percussion instrument in the opening seconds. Please don't read ahead until you have listened :


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It's a Zippo lighter - Clapton's - and you can even hear someone inhaling the cigarette.

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#500121 Mar 8, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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So, because of that, you stopped loving her?
Was it an incremental thing or did you stop loving her after the last child was born?
Actually, I tried initially to reconcile... broke my heart. I would have taken the 2nd child in also. She didn't want that initially so I let her go (went through the various grief stages, of course). After that episode.. I moved on and found out later that she was pregnant with the other child. Fast-forward... she wanted me but she didn't want the Christ in me. History repeats itself.

I still pray for her often even though it has been 1/4 of a century later.

Now, I am aware that you are trying to trip me up, question-wise... but all you are going to get are honest replies.

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#500122 Mar 8, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Please show me in the scripture where one is entitled (scripturally) to a divorce based on abandonment other than what I described earlier in I Cor 7. Thanx.
1Cr 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: KJV

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#500123 Mar 8, 2013
15 mo' minutes of questions Tam if you have anymore... smile.

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#500124 Mar 8, 2013
TIM958 wrote:
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1Cr 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: KJV
That's what I said in my earlier post about I Cor 7. I'm not sure what you disagreed with it about.
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Please show me in the scripture where one is entitled (scripturally) to a divorce based on abandonment other than what I described earlier in I Cor 7. Thanx.



Here is what I said earlier:
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Adultery yes... abandonment, meh.
If the person is a unBeliever and departs... and absolutely does not want to be reconciled to their "Believing" Spouse then that is also a grounds to be released from marriage according to I Cor 7.
But two Believers being married and not getting along? The wife has the scriptural right to separate but to remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband... and the husband must not divorce his wife.
Anything about abandonment other than what I had already stated?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

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#500125 Mar 8, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
I just don’t like their attitude or actions sense they have come in here.
Why would you? We challenge everything that you hold sacred.

I don't like the attitude of your church or its actions since it arrived on earth.

But at long last, we can say so. Rebuttal is a bitch, huh? Especially when you are so vulnerable and susceptible to criticism.

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#500126 Mar 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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"I do not think that you are being deceptive nor do I agree with him calling you a liar."
Thank you. To my knowledge, you are the first of Jesus' children to post that.
"I think that Skom truly does think that you are being deceptive in your posts, but I do not think that he is intentionally trying to misrepresent you."
Me, neither. I don't think that I ever accused him of that either, which is why I call him Dim instead of Liar.
Either way, he is dead wrong and way out of line. I don't really care about that as much as I do about showcasing his Christian character - what his church has done for him. As you probably know, I have been arguing all along that Christianity facilitates just the kind of reaction we saw from Dim. We hear about love, repentance and meekness, but we see something completely different: self-righteous judgment, insolence and self-forgiveness. It sickens me.
"in my opinion you were saying that no Christians stepped forward to say anything to Skom, I disagreed and I don‘t think I was the only one that said something.(I could be wrong though)"
I never saw any of those posts. Could you direct me to one where a Christian told Dim that he was wrong for calling me a liar before your post above? All I saw were the ones condemning me for objecting to his defamatory and abusive speech.












NoStress4me has a good eye.

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#500127 Mar 8, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
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What are you saying Qu? Actual facts have no place in this debate!
LMAO
lol...

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#500128 Mar 8, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Lol. More of that compassion on display.
As ye rip, so shall ye sew.

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#500129 Mar 8, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I tried initially to reconcile... broke my heart. I would have taken the 2nd child in also. She didn't want that initially so I let her go (went through the various grief stages, of course). After that episode.. I moved on and found out later that she was pregnant with the other child. Fast-forward... she wanted me but she didn't want the Christ in me. History repeats itself.
I still pray for her often even though it has been 1/4 of a century later.
Now, I am aware that you are trying to trip me up, question-wise... but all you are going to get are honest replies.
I'm not trying anything.(When I try to trip you up, you won't have a chance :)

Do you still love her? Does the pain and injustice destroy the love?

I like this song.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

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#500130 Mar 8, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I've tried so many churches, denominational & non denominational. I can't find one that isn't full of hypocrites, thieves, sluts, drug addicts, etc.
Except for one. I went there when I was 19, the pastor had a full time job & was a "weekend preacher". He was a good, honest, hard working man that wasn't using that church as a profit building. I stopped going because his family moved out of state. Sucked.
My folks talked me into trying their church. It was a long time ago, I told my dad I was fed up with churches and money, money, money. He swore to me that his church wasn't like that. The Sunday, the ONE time, I went the preacher gave a sermon on, guess what? Tithe. UGH! I remember him preaching that "If you don't give tithe, God gets mad at you."
In mind my, I told him to f_ck off, I left mid-sermon and that was that.
< Just stares at screen, slack-jawed >

Your church experience was worse than mine.

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#500131 Mar 8, 2013
wilderide wrote:
what method do you use to determine who Jesus was and what He wants?
trifecta1 wrote:
two areas where you have such a deficient I no know if you can be helped, one is faith the other trust.
Those sure are two foolproof methods for determining the truth.
http://images.movieplayer.it/2008/08/24/olive... [image]

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#500132 Mar 8, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>That's what I said in my earlier post about I Cor 7. I'm not sure what you disagreed with it about.
<quoted text>
Here is what I said earlier:
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Anything about abandonment other than what I had already stated?
If one is a true believer then abandonment is not an option. If I (a believer) leave my wife because we can't get along then I remarry I am an adulterer. You see.... the first post I put this morning really does apply here too. If I am subjected to God because what He has done for me then I will serve Him out of love. If I serve Him because I want His love then I am serving out of compunction. Marriage between believers follows the same principle. If I love my wife because she loves me then I will serve her out of love. If I love my wife so she will love me then I will serve her out of compunction. Which is the best kind of love? In other words Christian marital love is a choice and not a feeling.

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#500133 Mar 8, 2013
TIM958 wrote:
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Wow qu! That came out of nowhere. Yet I do not argue these things in public forums. All I will say is that Salvation is of the Lord. He planned it and chose believers before the foundation of the world. Think about it this.... There will be no one turned away if they want to believe. If they don't believe then they are responsible for their choice. That is very Calvinist doctrine.
Can God choose those who will believe? The bible says so.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Yes... Salvation is of the Lord but it would not have been needed had Adam and Eve trusted and obeyed God...

No, God did plan for Adam and Eve to sin. They chose sin and the results of their decision (like sometimes our own parents decisions) has affected mankind since Adam let sin into the world.

God wants every man to be saved...not just a select few. But few will be saved because not every man wants to be saved.

We'll go deeper into pre-destination some time later. Don't forget that some Calvinists also believe that some are predestined to hell... and they would use Judas as an excuse. Get into that also, Lordwilling.

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#500134 Mar 8, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Can you explain it to me and hold up under my extensive questioning?
Let's start with the idea of faithful.
Understand that traditional gender roles play no part in this. I only date girls and if I marry, I will only marry a girl.
Splain it.
Sure, extensively question away, if you don't play games I won't either.

Traditional gender roles have zero to do with loyalty and commitment.

Ok. We get married, make promises and VOW to one another, you know what that means right? I'm guessing from your posts that you do.

I left my siblings, a promising career and everything I knew to marry this man and move to a strange place where I knew no one, fair enough, I loved him and would have followed him anywhere and done anything for him, I wasn't religious at the time but I meant my vows, with all my heart and I was not the marrying kind either. To me, marriage meant forever, no matter what.

He's a Soldier.
Year 1 of marriage, I get pregnant. He cheats whilst away on an 'Exercise', which I find out later on was no Exercise, just a nice getaway for two, for a month, with our savings.
I'm shattered, I forgive him and choose to just believe his lies and we have a son.

Year 2 of marriage. We decide I should not return to work and be a SAHM. He didn't like me working and I'm too protective of my kids to let strangers spend more time with them than me. I go to work for my last week as he gets a few weeks leave and can care for our son. My last day turns out to be on the 3rd day instead of the 5th. I get home and find him on the couch with one of his mate's wives.[Insert graphic 'pornea' here]. Our son was asleep.
There's some drama, the woman ends up on her bare butt in front of my house and has to go find a phone, he follows her with her things, gets her home safe and comes back to some more of my fury.
I'm angry, then shattered then a little numb. I forgive him and again decide to believe his promises and his lies. Six months later he confesses that woman he was seeing is pregnant. I accepted and loved his little daughter when he had access, not her fault.

Year 3. We have another son and when the baby is 6 months old, my 'husband' decides that he doesn't love me anymore and I should move out of his army house so the other woman he loves can move in. By this stage we had moved twice and are in WA, on the other side of the country. All this follows me hardly ever seeing him because he was 'working' long hours and had his new woman on his lap, in front of me and many others, the day before, at an Anzac day BBQ.
That separation lasted 1 year, I moved back to be close to his family, studied, became a bit less shattered and went on with life. Did not even so much as flirt with another man. His affair breaks down, he comes back and wins me over (I still loved him). I choose to believe him and forgive him.

Year 4. We have our third son. I put on more weight than usual and have some complications throughout the pregnancy. He starts to go out again, coming back drunk, hardly ever around. One of his sisters starts to spend time with me and helps me when she can. By the time my baby son is 10 months old, I've become a Christian which brought me peace, which is a good thing as otherwise I might have killed him that time. The affair had been going on for a year. I found out and had to move out with my three boys. My boys had to stay with their Grandparents for 11 weeks because I had a miscarriage, found out about the affair a week later and was moved out by a week after that. Then, a few days later I found out his mistress was pregnant. I had a complete nervous breakdown.

That was in April 2009. I have been alone and celibate this whole time and have just been enjoying my boys and studying again. His relationship with his mistress is over and he's had 2 others since and moved himself to a different state, barely even calls his sons. He has not tried to divorce me nor I him but I am numb.

Bring it.

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#500135 Mar 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
As ye rip, so shall ye sew.
Book of Tailors.(whole chapter)

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