“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499455 Mar 6, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Should we all chip in to buy him some Velcro shoes?
I think that would be really nice.
With cute red and black stripes.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#499456 Mar 6, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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With cute red and black stripes.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499457 Mar 6, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>So. You were enculturated to be an Atheist.
And as you say lady, Everyone is enculturated.
Well, all cultures, can't be right now can they?
You were cultured to deny the existence of Deities. Other cultures affirm the existence of Deities.
Both cultures, can't be right can they?
So, are you open to the idea, that your paradigm of enculturaton, could be false?
Everything I know is false to someone else. Everything I know in science will be refined and changed in the future.

Here's the problem you've been avoiding: believers of other religions know, with exactly as much power and authority as you have, that their deities are real, their religions, true. They do not subjectively or objectively experience your deity, just like you do not experience theirs.

And I do not experience yours or theirs.

That tells us two things:

First, your god is not omnipresent, but only real for you because you are a socially trained believer. Their gods likewise are not real for you and only real for them because they are socially trained in their religions.

Second, since any of your deities from any religion are subjectively real ONLY for believers, none of them are objectively real.

Hence, my position more accurately models the sum total of you believer's subjective realities with regards to other people's deities. Since my position overlaps with everyone's subjective experiences and since your position does not, parsimony dictates that my position of atheism is closest to the objective reality humans never experience directly.

Therefore, deities, including your own, are imagined beings.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#499458 Mar 6, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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My entire message was lost in the face of your belief system's profound ability to produce ignorance.
And I should care what you think about my belief system why? Remember, your wants and thoughts donít have to matter to others like it does to you Miss thinks she knows it all. Think what you want.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499459 Mar 6, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
Well, all cultures, can't be right now can they?
This is what I mean by you not comprehending what I'm writing. Think things through and try that sentence again. As it stands, you're half right. Or maybe less than half.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499460 Mar 6, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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Hey SP,
Yes if things keep going the way it has been things can only get worse. I think God is giving us a chance to wake up and come to him. I just hope we hear and respond to His call. I believe God will come for His Children before it gets too bad but in the mean timeÖ But what ever, we will have Him to guide us through.
HFN
Plato wrote about the generation after his as having the worst morals ever and going to be the end of the world, etc., etc.

You're singing a tired song. You're just moving on in age and unable to keep up. Sorry. The world's leaving your ways behind and the only way you seem to be able to cope is by telling everyone else they're wrong and their morality sucks.

The world isn't going to end. People aren't going to end just because their behaviors are changing. Calm down, it will be ok.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499461 Mar 6, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
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Fair enough, that's not the the society I live in. I live in a 82% secular society where very few people have any concept of morality. I'm pretty sure religion, in most countries, has stopped having that kind of effect since the 70's and is mostly completely ignored and ridiculed now but I could be wrong and you are the Anthropologist here after all.
I decided to be celibate because I got sick of being used for my body, I developed self respect and I like it, there's nothing worse than men treating women like holes with legs, thank you for asking instead of just assuming some religion controls my life :-)
Hey, if you felt like you needed a break or were sick of those who just wanted to sex you, by all means, it's your body. I prefer a more assertive approach using the words "go away" if I feel like I'm being objectified in a way I disagree with.:)

I don't believe that a secular society promotes a lack of morality. You mean a lack of your morality. I don't particularly see why others should have your morality - or mine, for what's it worth.

I don't think the meaning and impact of religion is decreasing all that much. Sure, non-believers are making up a larger percentage of the populations of wealthy nations, but that's in part due to the freedom of expression that we enjoy. I suspect that people have long been non-believers but without the ability to voice their opinions, live the way they wanted to, much like people drawn to same sex sexuality.

Freedom reveals hidden minorities.

But most people are religious or, at least, religiously spiritual around the globe. It's impossible to ignore - lots of anthropologists, including myself, would like to, but if we do so we aren't being good social scientists. I've heard from lots of researchers who come back from the field saying "I wanted to keep Christianity out of my study, but I just couldn't. It was pervasive in everyday life for my subjects." Being in Japan, I can probably ignore religion for my study as very few people here are believers in the sense of the Christians on this thread.

People connect to others through shared ways of understanding experience and meaning-laden social performance. "Normal" people (that is, non-scientists) use metaphor and imprecise language to communicate - they and those of their culture/religion understand each other while building up us/them divisions. You always know who is and isn't from your denomination, for example, just by talking to them. Perhaps outside of wealthy nations, religions enjoy greater percentages of populations.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#499462 Mar 6, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
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Hi Judy :-) That part confuses me, I'd love some input...
Separated 4 years for the second time in 10.
Supposed husband, cheated and impregnated 2 other women.
Was not a Christian marriage, we were both atheists.
Not long before current separation, I became a Christian, he is still an atheist.
For some reason unknown to me, he has not started divorce proceedings despite constantly saying he will.
He claims to (and I'm inclined to believe him) have only married me for two reasons, one to rebel as I was an atheist and the second was well, I won't mention the second but it was not love.
Can I divorce him?
I would just like to see people's views on this, mainly Christian elders.
Thank you :-)
Lucy, I am no christian elder, do not attend a church, and reading what you have been thru - you have already been forgiven...

I cannot believe there would be one Christian who has the right to judge you.

John 8:11
"Neither do I condemn thee..."


I believe we have both shared the alabaster box, Ja? And I'm sure we have no reason to not share Jesus's Love.

Take Care Sister Friend...
Peace be with you.

If they want... those who do judge you, can stone me now!

(((*()*)))
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#499463 Mar 6, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Plato wrote about the generation after his as having the worst morals ever and going to be the end of the world, etc., etc.
You're singing a tired song. You're just moving on in age and unable to keep up. Sorry. The world's leaving your ways behind and the only way you seem to be able to cope is by telling everyone else they're wrong and their morality sucks.
The world isn't going to end. People aren't going to end just because their behaviors are changing. Calm down, it will be ok.
Hummm, Kind of like you saying Christianity is wrong. Miss thinks she knows it all. Double standards constantly with you guys.

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#499464 Mar 6, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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We've had Dr. Shrink in our lab, trying to find out his thinking processes for some time now. We've put together, link by link, how his neurons function through a painstaking process of MRIs, PET scans and retrograde-axial transmission monitoring.
In our opinion, this video best describes Dr. Shrink's thinking process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zwb0MAUY7S4XX
This is p-r-i-c-e-l-e-s-s!

Found out today we have to put our family pet to sleep.

Do you remember 'Vanuatu'?
ICU2

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499465 Mar 6, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
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Yet you behave exactly like the atypical, arrogant, cold hearted emperor worshipper, have you heard of Mahikari? Su?
I get annoyed when someone tells me I'm wrong despite not understanding my position and garbling entirely my message. Perhaps it's failing of my patience.

Atypical, huh? What would a typical cold hearted emperor worshiper be like?

The emperor of Japan (Showa) in WWII should have been tried for crimes against humanity - he likely would have been found guilty and executed.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#499466 Mar 6, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Lucy, I am no christian elder, do not attend a church, and reading what you have been thru - you have already been forgiven...
I cannot believe there would be one Christian who has the right to judge you.
John 8:11
"Neither do I condemn thee..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mxYoLGffHo4XX
I believe we have both shared the alabaster box, Ja? And I'm sure we have no reason to not share Jesus's Love.
Take Care Sister Friend...
Peace be with you.
If they want... those who do judge you, can stone me now!
(((*()*)))
Hey Sister,
Just so you know, no one is judging her. No stones from me. She asked for our views.
:)
HFN

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499467 Mar 6, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
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Yes. I really do believe the opposer exists. As do daemoens. I don't expect or demand your understanding but I saw what I saw and experienced what I experienced. Mockery and/or opinions do not change any of it.
You saw Satan? Personally?

Alright, I won't mock you for that.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499468 Mar 6, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =MNfBftMWNToXX
Wow, that's amazing - was that when velcro first came out?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499469 Mar 6, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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And I should care what you think about my belief system why? Remember, your wants and thoughts donít have to matter to others like it does to you Miss thinks she knows it all. Think what you want.
Ok, I'll think what I want.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee, here I am, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee, thinking what I want!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy yyyy! No one can stop meeeeeeeeeeeeeee

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#499470 Mar 6, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Lucy, I am no christian elder, do not attend a church, and reading what you have been thru - you have already been forgiven...
I cannot believe there would be one Christian who has the right to judge you.
John 8:11
"Neither do I condemn thee..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mxYoLGffHo4XX
I believe we have both shared the alabaster box, Ja? And I'm sure we have no reason to not share Jesus's Love.
Take Care Sister Friend...
Peace be with you.
If they want... those who do judge you, can stone me now!
(((*()*)))
Thank you Peace :) I guess by elder I meant more experienced, been a Christian longer than me, not a church elder... those won't even answer me clearly. I only care about The Lord's judgement, which is why I'm ok with being open here. I just feel conflicted in this as well as trapped, you know? I want to do the right thing and obey and my boys only have me as an example now.

Love you sis <3

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499471 Mar 6, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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Hummm, Kind of like you saying Christianity is wrong. Miss thinks she knows it all. Double standards constantly with you guys.
How is my comparing your aged, tired exclamation that today's generation is wildly immoral to Plato's 2000 year old call of the same a double standard?

And, yes, if you base your examination of others' morality on your version of Christianity, you're wrong. Better?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#499472 Mar 6, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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This is p-r-i-c-e-l-e-s-s!
Found out today we have to put our family pet to sleep.
Do you remember 'Vanuatu'?
ICU2
I'm sorry to hear that - how sad.

I know of Vanuatu...the island. Is that what you mean? They grow some good kava.

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#499473 Mar 6, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
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Lucy, I am no christian elder, do not attend a church, and reading what you have been thru - you have already been forgiven...
I cannot believe there would be one Christian who has the right to judge you.
John 8:11
"Neither do I condemn thee..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mxYoLGffHo4XX
I believe we have both shared the alabaster box, Ja? And I'm sure we have no reason to not share Jesus's Love.
Take Care Sister Friend...
Peace be with you.
If they want... those who do judge you, can stone me now!
(((*()*)))
I haven't seen that movie in so long! Thank you :-D

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#499474 Mar 6, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
I can see you have your priorities all squared away. Wow.
Yes, I do. Thanks for noticing.

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