<quoted text> Who is hating though Epi? I see the Qu's the C-S's the tri-whatever's hating. All in the name of your God.. Who in your opinion is hating here? Again- it's not personal what those that don't believe in Christ believe.. Or it shouldn't be. God doesn't need our defending.. People need our Love. Again I ask you- is Christianity really this weak??
Yes, though the question wasn't directed to me, I would say yes in some sense, Christianity is weak. Are we leaders, or forever followers, being swayed and blown to and fro by every wind of doctrine and breath from lips that speak sweat words with Lawless intent?
Aside from all the varying beliefs systems within it ranging from trinitarian, to Jesus only, to OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), to Jesus being divine to him not being divine, to Law vs Grace throgh Faith only...but aside from all these things, they don't stand on common ground against variances, deviances and evil. Some among the many decide to water down the doctrine to appease others while some add and take away from scripture offering very dubious interpretations.
If I didn't know better Ms. Le, I would think what you're saying is that a blind eye should be turned to evil, pretending they're not there and just give love. Yes, scripture says Love your Enemy, which is True, but did it say you should Love what your enemy does? Does it say you should love a pagan and abstain from teaching him the righteous way that he may be saved?
You should understand this Ms. Le, that teaching what scripture says absent parsing will offend those that do not respect or abide by its precepts. There is hardy a way you can ask a heathen to change without them feeling offended, even if but in secret so you are unawares of their feelings. Yes, Yahweh doesn't need our defending, what needs defending is (a) Why we believe (b) What we believe (c) And honor our hard (Earned in Blood) gift of salvation. He has suffered too much for us just to see us take his words for naught and to make excuses for it.
I am not teaching nor am I advocating violence against them, but when the day they decide to take believers serious is the day when believers stand at one accord. And even with this few in this thread, it is apparent that this won't be possible, so they're allowed to get away with murder, because our linked fence is weak and broken down in certain sections. Then may as well there be no fence, for it the Law judges and shows who stands for the right and those for the wrong, then apparently among believers and no believers alike, there is no respect for the Law.
We should best believe, that even if we sit idly by and do nothing or say nothing, that The Almighty Father will one Great Yom (day) stand for His name, and whether we like it or not, that day when it comes shall not be one of cotton candy and teddy bears.
Counter_Strike: When do people, believers stand up and be counted? When will they say no more to being used as door mats where boots walking in $h!t and p!$$ whipe all over us. When do we value the price that we were baught and paid for.[Earned in Blood: Quo Vadis]
<quoted text> Yes, though the question wasn't directed to me, I would say yes in some sense, Christianity is weak. Are we leaders, or forever followers, being swayed and blown to and fro by every wind of doctrine and breath from lips that speak sweat words with Lawless intent?
You are forever a follower if you trust in Jesus, and a leader if you do not, and feel the need to usurp God's role.
<quoted text> Really? So I suppose you would also say if you were married and spend intimate time with another man or woman is also not a moral issue? Your opinion of a particular things is just that, an opinion. It doesn't make it fact. Same sex intimate relations is a moral issue whether you like it or love it. Now we can lay this portion of the conversation to rest. Now I would sincerely love to hear you raise argument about the Topic of this thread. I mean, it is what you're hear for isn't it, to comment on the topic of this thread? CS.
Your opinion of a particular thing is just that, an opinion.
I am beginning to see that this reward is self based- soley 100% based on self love. This group of believers display their desire to be in Heaven with God. Their action's and word's are based on their selfish need to be "safe"..To reap the "benefits" of their militant stance for God (in the here and now), in the after life. They dream of streets of gold, for themselves.
<quoted text> Hello Sora, Pleased to read your post. I agree with what you are saying. We are all humans and nobody should ever say hurtful things in the Name of God or Christianity. Right or wrong, Nothing or nobody should be judged and instead they should be shown Love. It seems that some Christians forget what they themselves do and that had it Not been for Jesus, We all would still be lost souls. Some seem to take a few verses that speak of something that will condemn others while ignoring the majority of verses that tell us that nobody is any better than the other. I will continue to spread the scriptures of Love, peace and hope toward all mankind and let God judge us all in the end. Thank you for apologizing on behalf of the Christians, I stand with you on this. You have a loving heart.
Bonjour Madame Walker, indeed this is so. God judges the hearts of people, and we should not bbut there are many that do. Many in our faith and those of other faiths as well. In regards to the verses it is nothing more than cherry-picking it is shameful to do. Seraphine and I spoke with an agnostic not too long ago, he needed help and so we offered it with no questions asked. Our Christian faith to us is something that one does not pick up and put off, we are meant to be like Christ. Look at the entymology of the word :) what we find sad is that we do not see more Christians apologizing for their behavior, it takes two to tango I believe the saying goes but I am merely giving my opinion, treat others as you yourself would wish to be treated. Thank you for your understanding Madame Walker. In regards to apologies we give them often because we are saddened by the history of the Christian faith. There is so much good in it and we prefer to focus on that. We feel that a true Christian has no need to say it, they show it through their actions and behaviors toward others and by the spiritual fruits they cultivate. However, this again is my opinion.
Heterosexual Christians are being unbiblical by using the clobber passages as justification for applying absolute standards of morality to homosexual "sins" that they themselves are "not tempted to commit", while at the same time accepting for themselves a standard of relative morality for those sins listed in the clobber passages that they DO routinely commit. How is that bibical? I am not a homosexual but my sins are in the SAME list, IN the SAME verse as homosexuality. WOE to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices -- mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law -- JUSTICE, MERCY and FAITHFULNESS. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.--Matthew 23:22- Can you find yourself in these verses? If someone says NO they are a LIAR and the truth is NOT in them.. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, strifes, emulations, wraths, rivalries, dissensions, sects????? I see Hatred. STRIFES. Wrath and especially Slanderers on just about EVERY post..I Do NOT condone Any sin but I am honest enough to say that I am listed in the above list also. So Are YOU. We are to reach out in Love for Love covers a multitude of Sin.
Remember the Shabbat Yom to keep it holy. Should I make that the New clobber agenda or should I effectively put words to proper purpose and run down the list of the other Commands?
What say you?
I am no judge here, but you should know Ms. Walker, that we human beings, by our words and our deeds judge ourselves.