“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#497911 Mar 4, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I'll go with that, except for the "fallible" part. To ensure the fulfillment of prediction, interaction becomes necessary.
Well, obviously, if interaction with fallible humans is necessary to fulfill something, then that process is also fallible, and so is the entity which set it in motion.

If your deity is not omniscient, then it necessarily can't be omnipotent either. And if it's not omnipotent, then it's not a fait accomplis that this deity's predictions, or even intentions, will all come to pass.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#497913 Mar 4, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
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Well... If you're going to put it that way... But I agree that it would be good to get an African pope, just for different reasons, I have this crazy hope Africa would get help then..
We'll see. I just think it would be exploit. It is written in the history.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#497914 Mar 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I am very tolerant of you. Who have I been intolerant of besides the church, and even then only in one sense of the word. I'm not advocating oppressing the church, just declaiming it. It's on a case by case basis, and based on past performance.
I have been tolerant of Serah. I've been extremely tolerant of Shrink and Trifecta, who both have gone into taunt mode. And Juicy.
And I'm tolerant of Qu_in and LAWEST. And Grace.
Epiphany, Sora, and Seraphine are easy to like.
You're all tolerated, if not your church.
I even tolerated the moron Dim until I decided not to, but am willing to bury the hatchet if he'll beg me sincerely for forgiveness for his sins against me. I'm not hard to please.
I think this about covers it.



“We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.”~ H. L. Mencken


There are limits even to that position.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#497915 Mar 4, 2013
Wilderide wrote:
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Not willing that anyone should perish? That's something new, cuz there is a whooooole lot of perishing going on in the Bible.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>There was a whole lot of rebellion and sin, too.
There still is, so that would seem to contradict your idea that God didn't/doesn't want anyone to perish.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#497917 Mar 4, 2013
Adam wrote:
Everything gay even slightly gay is evil.
Is being obsessed with gayness a sin too then? Better start with the repenting Adam!

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#497919 Mar 4, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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<quoted text>
Deuteronomy 30:6: "The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live."
Jeremiah 4:4: "Circumcise yourselves to the Lord,
circumcise your hearts,
you people of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem,
or my wrath will flare up and burn like fire
because of the evil you have done—
burn with no one to quench it."
Deuteronomy 10:16: "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked."
OK, first, how funny is that last one? Bevus and Butthead would giggle for hours over it.
But anyway, nowhere in any of that am I getting that circumcision is about separation from lust. Secondly, only men get circumcised. What about the ladies? Don't they count? This is just another example of how misogynistic Hebrew culture was. Anyway, kinda difficult to argue that circumcision means something to all humans when it only applies to half of them to begin with.
It's like a dress code to get into an exclusive bar.

No 'hoodies' allowed in Heaven.

Apparently St. Peter at the Pearly Gates is a pecker checker.

YHWY likes them trimmed it seems. I think YHWY is gay or a She.

LOL

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#497920 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The trolls here are offensive, even to someone like me that claims the power of unoffensability...
We, theists and atheists, need to band together in one common cause, well maybe two.
Bash the trolls.
Drink the beer.
We can do it!
Agreed.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#497921 Mar 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Why would that matter? Would you only care if it were equal?
I am amazed at all of the black Christian homophobes on this thread.
I have empathy for the plight of both- gays and blacks. But on an individual level, I can't feel anything positive for a homophobe, even a black one.
Now, you're going to respond to me?

Nothing to say in regards to my questions about the Washington Monument, or George Washington being portrayed as Zeus. But, now, you'll respond to me.

You're cause just as much amazement, my friend.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#497922 Mar 4, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>[I <3 you Bro :-)]whatever that mean it make me feel good, so I claim it LOL.

I know what you mean.. People, in the name of Christianity, really do some awful awful things. Just look at the klu klux klan, they no have anything to with Jesus. or go back and read up on the second Crusades. Those was some murderous and bloody people.

Or you can look on this billboard and conclude that many Christians are here, but not all are Jesus followers. So I understand the stigma the name [Christian] is to many people in the world. George Bush was a outspoken Christian and now it look like they invade iraq under a lie, and they knew it was a lie. that distressing.

But Christianity do a lot of good to. Most charitable agencies are Christian or started by. Most of the colleges and universities in the U.S, started by Christians. Many scientists were and today Christians, and on and on.

So I understand why you would not want to be called a Christian, and you have legitimate reasons to want to dis-associate from the Christian name.

But....the good the Christian Religion do, in my estimation, out do the bad. So although I see my self as a Jesus Follower, or someone belonging to the Body of Jesus Christ, the name [Christian] I can take it or leave it. But I understand why you deny it and support you.
It was an experiment of sorts... I just don't think about labels that much... I am a Follower of Jesus as well, I just have my silly moments like anyone else and sometimes people are very hurtful.. You're right, our local churches do so much for the community, food parcels for poor families, volunteers after the floods and lots of other things.. It's a bit hard to take some people seriously here :D

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#497923 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, I know you're gay and I know you're having problems with society and I'm on your side in whatever way I can be.
But the plight of gays is in no way near the plight of blacks.
If you convince yourself otherwise, you're ignoring hisotry and putting gays on a pedestal they don't deserve to be on.
Isn't the whole point no one deserves to be put on a pedestal, and no one deserves to be placed in a gutter, either?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#497924 Mar 4, 2013
*You cause...

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#497925 Mar 4, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation," said Messiah.
Well, that just contradicts all the NT passages which state that one is saved by faith alone. Unless you are a woman, in which case, according to Paul, you are saved by having babies (pity the woman born barren I guess).

But anyway, John 5:28 seems to greatly diminish the role of Jesus in Christianity. All he did was suffer in order to buy humans time. Problem is that then Jesus never saved anyone.

On the other hand, I do applaud the idea of personal responsibility implied here. I've always found the idea that a sacrificial lamb took away all responsibility for people's actions to be morally repugnant. It's like a green-light to misbehave. All you have to do is be sorry later.
Adam

Frankfurt Am Main, Germany

#497926 Mar 4, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Is being obsessed with gayness a sin too then? Better start with the repenting Adam!
Can´t do this. Sorry Iam not gay. I love girls.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#497927 Mar 4, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
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So your argument is that God found it unnecessary to make clear that little detail? Come on. If God is going to inspire a prophesy that the entire religion is founded on, don't you think it would have been accurate? You are essentially saying that Christians understand Hebrew holy scripture better than those who were God-inspired and wrote it themselves. That's a rather weak argument, don't you think?
They don't realize that Jesus was a Jew. He spoke like a Jew, believed like a Jew, lived as a Jew and died as a Jew.

Christianity has never understood a single thing about Jesus in more than 1700 years. That is why they need Paul and all the pagan myths about Jesus. They don't believe in Jesus, they believe in a Pagan mythology.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#497928 Mar 4, 2013
Adam wrote:
Everything gay even slightly is evil.
OK. You're evil.

So what.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#497929 Mar 4, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Lemme ask ya - What would "the church" be without Christians?
<quoted text>
Exactly. "The church" IS Christians.
The Church is an Institution, The Church is a doctrine, The Church is contained in the bible. Many components make up "The Church", not only people.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#497930 Mar 4, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>...says the agnostic.
You've chosen the "coward's" position.
Your belief in "God" is based on fear. You don't believe in any of the gods defined in recorded history, but you'll believe in your own version of "God" just in case...just in case what you perceive as mythical are true.
1. I am not an agnostic.
2. I am not afraid of God.
3. I am not afraid of death.
4. I am not afraid of you and your opinions.
5. You are still a moron.
6. "Bible God" is a fictional character in a book.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#497931 Mar 4, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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As to Adam's "sin" that is a whole story unto itself. God places two people the equivalent of infants in a garden and puts two forbidden trees right in front of them and then leaves them alone? That's worse than leaving a toddler in a backyard with an unfenced pool. At a minimum God was a pretty bad caretaker, at worse an intentional trickster. And what was this grave "sin"? Acquiring the knowledge of good and evil. I mean, what is so horrific about that?
Brother Lee Love wrote:
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<quoted text>1) Only the proverbial "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was forbidden. Apparently, the "evil" was autonomy.
2) They weren't "infantile."
I think saying that the evil was Adam's and Eve's (mostly Eve) autonomy is more troubling than the idea that the evil was to acquire knowledge. What you are suggesting here is that God intended humans to be obedient robots. And even worse, that the presumed return to grace is to become obedient robots again.

As to being infantile, I think they were. If Adam and Eve presumably could not discern between good and evil before eating from the tree, then how could they be otherwise but completely naive? In fact, how could they have known that doing what God said not to do would be wrong? They did not know right from wrong yet. Which is why they relied entirely on God to caretake them, and in this story, He completely failed at that, or worse, intentionally set them up to fail.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#497932 Mar 4, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Can´t do this. Sorry Iam not gay. I love girls.
If you can't stop obsessing about gay people, then what you need isn't girls, but a therapist. BTW, few girls find guys who are preoccupied with the imagined sex-lives of total strangers sexy. Just sayin. Seek help Adam.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#497933 Mar 4, 2013
Adam wrote:
Everything gay even slightly is evil.
You're wrong, bucko.

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