Why Should Jesus Love Me?

RiversideRedneck

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#497014 Mar 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Please, indulge me. Where is homophobia written in the Bible? What churches promote homophobia?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If you're interest ever becomes sincere, read a book.
You could've just said "I don't have an answer for that, but it's what I believe."

It would've meant the same.

RiversideRedneck

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#497015 Mar 2, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
First, I don't believe it, and told you so. Second, even if true, it's irrelevant. You're wrong, I have no expectation of changing your mind or even getting you to understand what "the church" is, and that means we're at an impasse.
Don't believe it? Why? Is it because you're too brainwashed to think any other way?

I think you are.

I think you've convinced yourself that "the church" is the cause of many problems & you think that "the church" is responsible for homophobia in the world.

But you won't stop to consider that maybe homophobia has nothing to do with religion but has more to do with sex. Everyone, mostly, has sex & enjoys sex. Throughout the years, many nations and many peoples have dengrated homosexuals for nothing more than gay sex. It still happens to this day, people get killed just for being gay.

It's a sad and embarassing fact. Something we should be trying to work together on instead of picking these bullshit fights about who's fault it is.

Your misguided views of Christianity have warped your senses about it. The Bible teaches us to be tolerant, regardless of what SOME CHURCHES preach.

Ephesians 4:2

With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love

Proverbs 16:24

Gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body.

1 Peter 3:8

Finally, all of you, have unity of mind, sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind.

RiversideRedneck

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#497016 Mar 2, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
Here are 5 posts, and in those, a person is called either a "demon", or, it's said they will "burn in hell".
Noun: demon
1. An evil supernatural being
2. A cruel wicked and inhuman person
3. Someone extremely diligent or skillful
4.(computing) a program that runs automatically or on a schedule without user interaction
Noun: hell
1. Any place of pain and turmoil
2. A cause of difficulty and suffering
3. Violent and excited activity
4. Noisy and unrestrained mischief
Noun: Hell
1.(religion) the world of the dead
2.(Christianity) the abode of Satan and the forces of evil; where sinners suffer eternal punishment
WordWeb Pro 6.6
Take from it what you will. I know what I take from it.
That would be the views of ***some*** crazy Christians, yes?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#497017 Mar 2, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
Actually, I don't. I use the term "god" in it's most simplest definition, which is "ruler."
You said it like it was a bad thing:

BLL sez: "It's been my opinion that every person has a god. For the atheist, their god is themselves. You're proving my opinion to be accurate."

In that is all you meant by "god," then you have cheapened the word.

And yes, using that trivial definition, I am my own god, just like my dog is her own god.

Do you know what autonomy is, besides a cardinal medical ethic, as in patient autonomy? It's related to informed consent and agency. It's an essential aspect of personal development and self-actualization.

Look at its etymology and reconsider your comment: from auto- "self" (see auto-)+ nomos "custom, law." Self-rule is freedom and autonomy.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

Somehow, Christianity, whose cardinal value is submission, makes that a crime. When a Christian refers to you as your own god, you're being chastised. Or maybe you're different, and were commending me on my godhood.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#497018 Mar 2, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
We only capitalize the term to distinguish between the "'God' of gods (Deut 10:17)" and lesser gods.

Lesser gods? Everybody that rules his own life is a lesser god?

You rely heavily on fallacies of equivocation, wherein the meanings of words shape-shift like clouds.

[QUOTE who="Brother Lee Love"]It's the same with the term "worship," too.
That doesn't make sense.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
Now that I think of it, I believe it's possible that you reject the notion [that the condition of society get worse and worse] simply because that's what the bible says. If the bible said that the conditions of our societies were getting better, you'd say they were getting worse.
When you use weasel words like "it's possible," you cannot be wrong, just as I'm correct to say that it's possible that you are planning to shoot up a school this week. It's possible.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#497019 Mar 2, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
If what's on our currency doesn't increase or decrease the value of it, then why care, at all?
Since you don't have a preference, can we count on your support to remove the god from it?
Brother Lee Love wrote:
Again, the "God" mentioned could be any "God."
[1] So? Why would you think that would matter to me? I wouldn't care which god you have in mind.
[2] That would have been the time for the lower case "god."
Brother Lee Love wrote:
So, next time you see the motto, just think of yourself as "God."
How about this instead: whenever YOU see that motto, you think about this conversation, and that everybody is his own god, and needs no other.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
As I've read, the "God" on our currency represents not a deity, at all, but "ancient wisdom" without a deity.
And yet another shape-shifting of the meaning of "god." I've never heard ancient wisdom called god. And I sure don't trust any ancient wisdom, either.
Brother Lee Love wrote:
So, in conclusion, I believe that removing "In God We Trust" from our currency would be doing "God" a service
Seconded. All in favor?

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#497020 Mar 2, 2013

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#497021 Mar 2, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
That's kind of useless to those of us born after his alleged death, since none of us had any sins at that time. Thanks for nothing, Jesus.
Misunderstood me, you did.

All the sins you've committed, up to the time you come to know of "God" and his only-begotten son, and what they've accomplished for us, are forgiven. From that time on, you must learn righteousness, which is what grace is for. Now, knowing that it's virtually impossible for one to become perfect overnight, the grace we're given is sufficient for us. It's expected that as we learn what sin is, that we refrain from committing not only further sins, but willful sins. But, if we sin by mistake, then we can ask for forgiveness from this sin. Then, we must try harder not to commit the same sin again. The idea, though, is to remove the thoughts and desires of sin from our minds and hearts. This way, it'll make sins harder to become manifest in our actions, reactions, and speech. In the end, it's the effort you make that's going to matter.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#497022 Mar 2, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I don't give a red rats ass if you believe me or not. I'm telling you the truth.

Again, in church, I have NEVER heard thm preach that homosexuality and homosexuals are an abomination to the Lord.
And I don't give a rats ass if you are telling the truth. It would be irrelevant to me that you've never heard any of this before.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
THAT is not the focus of a sermon.
That's also irrelevant. It doesn't need to be.

I don't remember if the Christian homophobia I heard in a church that Easter Day a dozen or so years ago was the focus of the sermon or not, but it's the only part I remember. It's shocking.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
We most certainly can discuss the reality of Christian homophobia, as soon as you realize that not all Christians are the same and not all Christian churches are the same.
I know that and don't care. It's irrelevant to my thesis, like everything else you have mentioned. Christian homophobia doesn't need to be present in every Christian or every church to be the problem that I say is.

I don't see any of those irrelevant comments as rebuttal to my claim that the church is homophobic and the largest or only source of homophobia in the West. People who like justice more than organized religion will be glad to see the Christian church fade away because of that among other reasons.

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#497024 Mar 2, 2013

RiversideRedneck

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#497025 Mar 2, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And I don't give a rats ass if you are telling the truth. It would be irrelevant to me that you've never heard any of this before.
See? You've brainwashed yourself. You don't care if I'm telling the truth.

Your mind is made up. It's "the church"!!!

DUNN DUNNN DUUUUNNNNNNNN......
That's also irrelevant. It doesn't need to be.
I don't remember if the Christian homophobia I heard in a church that Easter Day a dozen or so years ago was the focus of the sermon or not, but it's the only part I remember. It's shocking.
Funny. You say that my experiences with churches doesn't matter, but your experiences are necessary for your "thesis"...

It's spelled "hypocrite", BTW....
I know that and don't care. It's irrelevant to my thesis, like everything else you have mentioned. Christian homophobia doesn't need to be present in every Christian or every church to be the problem that I say is.
That is VERY relevant. VERY!

Have you ever tried to poll which churches promote & teach homophobia? And how often?

Have you ever tried figuring out if one denomination dies it more than another?

You'd probably be shocked at the results and would have to change your "thesis" about it. You might even have to stop calling it "the church" and blaming all evils on it.
I don't see any of those irrelevant comments as rebuttal to my claim that the church is homophobic and the largest or only source of homophobia in the West.
But you haven't yet posed an argument to suggest that you're right. You've only gone off of your own, personal experiences.

Have you considered that maybe it's just that you went to a bad church?

I doubt it.

But you're gonna sit here & say that "the church" IS homophobic. You're implying that ALL churches? Their leaders, their congregation, everything, is homophobic.

Here's a clue to tell you you're wrong:

I'm Christian, a part of "the church", and I'm not a homophobe. And nobody I know is either.
People who like justice more than organized religion will be glad to see the Christian church fade away because of that among other reasons.
???

People that like organized religion also like justice. We promote justice. We promote law & organization. We repel anarchy & the unlawful.

What the hell kind of church manipulated your brain?!

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#497026 Mar 2, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
No of course not, you are the very definition of moral...
Like these lovely humanists..
http://nambla.org.whoisbucket.com
What's it like in the gutter?

I've never been there.

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Since: Jul 07

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#497027 Mar 2, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think so. Sadly, you appear to be defending the boy.
No, you missed my point altogether...

I should not have been told to lock my door ~ he should have been told not to steal!!

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#497028 Mar 2, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
I began calling Dim "Dim" in response to his slandering. You seem to have forgotten that. I don't like name calling, and you might have noticed that I haven't treated any other poster that way. I get no pleasure in it. But Dim will remain Dim for as long as he continues to call posters "liar" without producing their alleged lies.
<quoted text>
Thanks. I don't expect people like Serah or Juicy to hold Dim accountable, just me. To them, my objection was to being characterized that way was reprehensible, which epitomizes the Christians response to skepticism in general. We're militant bigots to them for objecting to their hate speech and wanting to be free of its influence.
My hate speech? Object away.... I too would object if I were speaking words of hate!

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

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#497030 Mar 2, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You said it like it was a bad thing:
No, I didn't.
Ians wrote:
BLL sez: "It's been my opinion that every person has a god. For the atheist, their god is themselves. You're proving my opinion to be accurate."
Actually, I said that just to generalize atheists. I don't actually believe that. If an atheist puts their wife before them in every aspect, then their wife is their god[dess].
Ians wrote:
In that is all you meant by "god," then you have cheapened the word.
Or, you're exaggerating the definition of the term to equate with the religious definition.
Ians wrote:
And yes, using that trivial definition, I am my own god, just like my dog is her own god.
Trivial? Alrighty, then. And what dog...? Wow.
Ians wrote:
Do you know what autonomy is, besides a cardinal medical ethic, as in patient autonomy? It's related to informed consent and agency. It's an essential aspect of personal development and self-actualization.
Look at its etymology and reconsider your comment: from auto- "self" (see auto-)+ nomos "custom, law." Self-rule is freedom and autonomy.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...
Somehow, Christianity, whose cardinal value is submission, makes that a crime. When a Christian refers to you as your own god, you're being chastised. Or maybe you're different, and were commending me on my godhood.
I know what autonomy is. And used in a biblical sense and in Eve's mind, autonomy was "independence from her husband and by extension, "God." This is why it was said to her that her husband "shall rule over [her]." To Adam, it was said, "Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife." This, obviously, was Adam's fault. "God" had to re-establish the order He set up originally.

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#497031 Mar 2, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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You'll have to overlook some of the Hebrew fonts not showing correctly, if that happens.
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. Isa 40:22
Isa 40:22 BHT-Transliterated Hebrew Text
Isaiah 40:22 hayyöšëb `al-Hûg hä´äºrec wüyöšbʺhä KaHágäbîm hannô†è kaDDöq šämaºyim wayyimTäHëm Kä´öºhel läšäºbet (Isa 40:22 BHT)
Holladay Lexicon:
2391 gWx
gWx: circle; µûg h¹°¹reƒ, the earth conceived of as a disk Is 40:22; µûg ±al-p®nê t®hôm horizon on the sea Pr 827; µûg š¹mayim vault of the heavens Jb 2214.†(pg 97)
TWOT Hebrew Lexicon.
2329 gWx chuwg {khoog}
Meaning: 1) circle, circuit, compass 2)(BDB) vault (of the heavens)
Origin: from 02328; TWOT - 615a; n m
Usage: AV - circle 1, circuit 1, compass 1; 3
GESENIUS' HEBREW GRAMMAR
[2867](Hebrew)(page 295)
† gWx n.[m.] vault;—only of vault of the heavens $lhth ~ymv gWx Jb 22:14; -l[ gWx AqãxuB.~wht Œnp Pr 8:27; #rah gWx-l[; bveyh Is 40:22
Definitions taken from BibleWorks 9.0 http://www.bibleworks.com/
^^ That's a handy software to have.^^ You should try it.
The verse in question is referencing a circle, specifically a disc. Other verses are also similar. Point one out if you'd like to look at another.
Whether you want to imply it meant a "vault"(which, again, in this context would mean all in sight to the horizon IE:circle or disc) or, compass, circuit etc...all of those variations do not mean "sphere".
The word in context and in meaning, as used, according to Hebraic lexicons denotes an old fashioned, flat, 2D circle. Just what you'd think primitive nomadic desert dwellers would use in describing a world they knew little about.
Not a 3D sphere.
Noun: circle
1. Ellipse in which the two axes are of equal length; a plane curve generated by one point moving at a constant distance from a fixed point
2. An unofficial association of people or groups
3. Something approximating the shape of a circle
4. Movement once around a course
5. A road junction at which traffic streams circularly around a central island
6. Street name for flunitrazepam
7. A curved section or tier of seats in a hall or theater or opera house; usually the first tier above the orchestra
8. Any circular or rotating mechanism
Synonyms: band, circuit, circulate, encircle, rotary, round
- WordWeb Pro 6.6
And yet, none of the synonyms for circle include "sphere". Circle is the word used. There was no mention of "sphere".
A sphere is circular.
A circle is not spherical
1 Chronicles 16:30:“He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1:“Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10:“He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5:“Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18:“...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”
None are referencing a sphere.
Cheers ~ I am still amazed at their knowledge of 6000 years ago and you aren't. I guess we can leave it there because I cannot tell you how many times those same scriptures have been posted supporting the argument that the Scribes and Prophets were wrong.

The 4 Directions of the earth still remain, though, and have never been altered to suit a more spherical object, and I still find that endearing :)

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#497032 Mar 2, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Today's Prayer
Dear God of peace, make me perfect in every good work to do your will. Work in me that which is well-pleasing in your sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever (based on Hebrews 13:20-21). You are worthy of all praise, honor, and glory. Please see my worth through the blood of Jesus Christ, my Redeemer. Please forgive me of my shortcomings, and help me to live a holy life unto you, oh my God of peace. In Jesus' name, amen.
Prime time with God
Amen :)

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#497033 Mar 2, 2013

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#497035 Mar 2, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Good morning everyone.
Good morning Lawest100, it is Sunday, nearly 8:30am and my chosen day of Sabbath!!

Not sure who recalls of when I quit my last job, just before Christmas in 2011, when the new CEO at the time was treating me pretty dreadfully. I put my Faith in GOD and started at the job I am in now on the 19th Dec 2011, but even I didn't think I would start work until sometime early in 2012, however, hospitality industries don't close for the Christmas period and I received my first pay before Christmas day.

Anyway, I received a phone call yesterday morning telling me that the CEO (the control freak as she called herself) didn't last a year, and that my replacement (in finances) has just been charged with embezzlement. Not saying stealing is a just desert for a company that didn't care for their employees as such, just saying what happened!!

Ahhh, and these days, I am well respected and well cared for in my role, and for that, I will always thank GOD :)

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#497036 Mar 2, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and maybe some of my effort here is to dispel that notion in some small way.
Do I think it'll be largely successful? No. But I've always been a dreamer.
If just a person or two gets it, and I don't mean leave Christianity, but understands that atheists or anyone who doesn't believe as the Christian does can be and are good people, then I'm good. The world is improved just a little bit more

QUOTE who="scaritual"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/topstor...
Here are 5 posts, and in those, a person is called either a "demon", or, it's said they will "burn in hell".
Noun: demon
1. An evil supernatural being
2. A cruel wicked and inhuman person
3. Someone extremely diligent or skillful
4.(computing) a program that runs automatically or on a schedule without user interaction
Noun: hell
1. Any place of pain and turmoil
2. A cause of difficulty and suffering
3. Violent and excited activity
4. Noisy and unrestrained mischief
Noun: Hell
1.(religion) the world of the dead
2.(Christianity) the abode of Satan and the forces of evil; where sinners suffer eternal punishment
WordWeb Pro 6.6
Take from it what you will. I know what I take from it.
what a compilation.

So now wait a minute. According to you then, you here because you want to change even if is just one Christian, that just because you not think like the Christian, then you're a good person. And many atheists are good people even though they not think like the Christian?

OK.

Now. Worldly good, or good in the eyes of human beings, is not the same as good in the eyes God.

I think from what I see of you, that you're a good person. Even Catcher I think is a good person. Just because his worldview no match mine I no think he a bad person. But that me.

But to Jesus, we all no good:
Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why call me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.(that another place Jesus call Himself God, but that another matter)

[[[[[
So when you go get one of my post that I tell a writer they from Satan, that is based on Christian Theology taught by Jesus Christ. If you against the Christ, then you're of Christ enemy Satan.

So when you say you know what you take from it, to be correct in your perceptions, you must look at it from a worldly perspective, and a theological perspective.

Because worldly perspective I sure think you're a good person, based on the little writings I see you do.

But based on theological teaching, you're wicked damned and headed to an eternal Godless and Christ less hell and torment if you die rejecting Jesus Christ and His Spirit as the only true way to get to YHWH God.

Jesus say no one any good, that including you. So it not as cut and dry as you say. Now if you insist on it being cut and dry, then it may look like you on an agenda to criticize Christians, instead of looking into why Christians may say what they say based on Theology.

Trying to separate the Christian from Christian Theology, is like trying to separate the Pope from Christianity.

You can't tell the Christian that you good in the eyes of God, when the God of Christianity Jesus Christ say no one any good.

Now if you say you and your other atheists friends good in the eyes and opinions of the world and world system, then that another matter we may can find some common ground.

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