Why Should Jesus Love Me?

[Peace_Warrior]

>>>Skom<<<
Our G'day mate!
Do you know this one???
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Nick Cave - Red Right Hand

[Catcher1]

Skombolis wrote:

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You stand by and not only ignore bigotry all day but you defend it and those engaging in it
Always the hypocrite eh Catcher?

You continue to stalk me when I don't post to you and you reply to my post which was for somebody else and why are you so obsessed with me, besides your lies and your hypocrisy you are about the worst one for that and I'm not going to discuss this further unless I decide to change my mind on this personal decision because everyone can see that I did not give my word which I will keep if I do

[Rider on the Storm]

People are awesome..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Skombolis]

Catcher1 wrote:

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Clearwater repeatedly discusses his wife's former life as a lesbian. He introduced her to all of us. I didn't bring her in, he did. I'm just stating my belief, based on what he has said, that she is a closeted lesbian.
Nor is it an insult to identify somebody as a lesbian, unless you think, like Clearwater and Counter_Strike and Adam and Trifecta and Q, that there's something wrong with homosexuality.

Dress it up however you like because in hindsight you know it was a crappy thing to do

You made that post to him because you wanted it to bother him

Why would his wife need to re-emerge as anything?

She is not a lesbian and your denials about the intent of your post just makes it that much easier to show you for liar you are

It comes so easy to you doesn't it?

[Skombolis]

Peace_Warrior wrote:

>>>Skom<<<
Our G'day mate!
Do you know this one???
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Nick Cave - Red Right Hand

PW!

What's up sister?

Thx, No I have not heard of it before but I will check it out

(T) Peace

[Skombolis]

Catcher1 wrote:

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You continue to stalk me when I don't post to you and you reply to my post which was for somebody else and why are you so obsessed with me, besides your lies and your hypocrisy you are about the worst one for that and I'm not going to discuss this further unless I decide to change my mind on this personal decision because everyone can see that I did not give my word which I will keep if I do

LOL

Stupid people have to resort to stupid tactics

Let me know when anything you said actually applies!

[Rider on the Storm]

AnnieJ wrote:

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BTW Is this our first disagreement...should we start bashing each other now?
Would you mind if we wait until after lunch...I need to take the dog out...
In the mean time...I will make a list of names that I want to call you. How do you feel about...doofus? If that is a little strong just let me know...I'll take it easy on you the first day.

Here you go Annie..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Black Thunder 42]

AnnieJ wrote:

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Good morning HL...
I think you are right...
So...
I think I shall return to what brings me peace...
Earth, Teach Me
Earth teach me quiet ~ as the grasses are still with new light.
Earth teach me suffering ~ as old stones suffer with memory.
Earth teach me humility ~ as blossoms are humble with beginning.
Earth teach me caring ~ as mothers nurture their young.
Earth teach me courage ~ as the tree that stands alone.
Earth teach me limitation ~ as the ant that crawls on the ground.
Earth teach me freedom ~ as the eagle that soars in the sky.
Earth teach me acceptance ~ as the leaves that die each fall.
Earth teach me renewal ~ as the seed that rises in the spring.
Earth teach me to forget myself ~ as melted snow forgets its life.
Earth teach me to remember kindness ~ as dry fields weep with rain.
An Ute Prayer
The Web
Humankind has not woven the web of life.
We are but one thread within it.
Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.
All things are bound together.
All things connect.
Chief Seattle, 1854

HOPA

[wilderide]

Brother Lee Love wrote:

<quoted text>Such punishments might not be perceived as an act of love, but they are-- toward the rest of society.

OK, but I still don't see how that example would apply to God. Is God as limited as a human organization responsible for civic order? No, of course not. God supposedly has unlimited/nearly unlimited powers. God is also supposedly loving. So then logically God should chose the most benevolent solution to a problem. Surely global genocide was not the most benevolent solution available.

The scriptures don't give us details, but it does say that "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." But, as to your question, there's no mention of it. Most likely, bestiality became an issue, too.

Bestiality? And that is the animals fault? And with every single member of every single species, including plants? Mmmmm....I don't think so. Moreover, back to humans for a moment, is it likely that babies and fetuses were also purely and irredeemably evil?

And that seems to be another point of this story too. God not only seems incapable of predicting the consequences of it's actions (i.e., God had no idea what would become of creation when it created it, and never saw this day coming), but the only way to overcome evil was to snuff the whole living being out. No attempt to dissuade humans from evil is mentioned (never mind animals and plants). Apparently evil is as powerful if not more so than God, which seems to further reduce God's power.

In regards to the account and toward those punished, no. But, toward those offended, yes. And as to the term "love" losing it's definition and luster, that happened a long, long time ago as we've become increasingly desensitized to it's definition and purpose. The term is just that, now; a term. "Love," for the most part, has been diminished to just a term that we abuse in order to get what we desire most. "Love," in many ways, no longer serves as a verb. There's hardly anything any more that distinguishes between the love for a "loved-one" and a favorite song. Today, people invent and live according to their own definition(s) of love.

So what does love mean, according to the Bible? And is God consistently loving by that definition or not? Because you seem to imply God is not consistent with love, only showing it to a select few. At what point does one become the "punished" and all of God's love is permanently withdrawn?

[waaasssuuup]

wilderide wrote:

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How Christ-like of you.

i'd say "how atheist & homo-like back at ya" but there's no bad behavior irony in it so ya got me on this one:(

[waaasssuuup]

wilderide wrote:

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How Christ-like of you.

btw - i trust in Christ's righteousness & not my own.

good luck with trusting in your...umm.....righteousness

[simplyput]

AnnieJ wrote:

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Child abuse is not a Catholic problem...a religious problem...a non-religious problem...a homosexual problem...a heterosexual problem...it is a human problem.
As long as people want to put all the blame on specific groups of people...we are in the mean time turning a blind eye to the abuse of our children.
Targeting one group only is allowing others to continue unabated.
If you want to help those children...then look at the whole picture.
If you want to bash gays...then please leave the children out of it...you are minimizing the severity of their abuse. You have turned it in to an issue about gays instead of an issue about what is happening to them.

How can you leave our children OUT of it when it is HAPPENING to our children??

You realy sound pitiful and ONE_SIDED. No one is talking just the homosexuals.I have seen several post that states it is also the hetro that do some of it.You make it sound like it is Christians doing this .

NAMBLA just happens to be homosexuals (they SAY they are)and they are MEN wanting young boys, which makes them also PEDOPHILES..is this right? Some of them may want young little girls too, I don't know.. They are fighting for their RIGHTS stating that young boys (young homosexuals now) have a RIGHT to love older MEN.

Whether or not you want to BELIEVE this, it is true.

Organizations like this needs to be STOPPED, it is 'out of hand', our children are suffering.

Nambla MEN takes the young boys, while they are young and vulernable and they end up liking it, they start off slow , so that the young boy comes BACK for more ..then they are hooked.

It then appears the young boy is (born that way) and they grow older and are turned in to a full fledged ADULT homosexual.

There are also Hetro (BI) pedophiles, they like both /or either they don't care. That is another group some have talked about. Another group was the PRIEST Catholic that got caught, that is another group talked about.

All is SICK!, but needs to be investigated and STOPPED.

Christians are trying to do this, and you can BELIEVE that or not.
We will NOT uphold such ACTS!

[waaasssuuup]

wilderide wrote:

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Omniscience is by definition complete and universal knowledge. If God cannot know the future as a fact, then God cannot be omniscient. And if God is not omniscient, then God cannot be omnipotent either. It's a simple matter of definition. What you are talking about is not omniscience but prediction, which is simply an educated guess, based on knowledge of the past.
God is often characterized in the Bible as surprised, angry, and disappointed, so I'd agree with you that there is much Biblical evidence that God could not be omniscient. As I pointed out vis a vis the Genesis flood, such a horrific catastrophe would never have occurred had God been omniscient.
So then the question becomes, how could this deity have created the entire universe? To create the universe God would have had to be more complex and powerful than the universe itself, yet God is not omnipotent. Perhaps another, more powerful deity did it? The Bible itself tacitly acknowledges that other gods exist. It's an interesting idea, at least if you give the Bible credence for it's contents.

you are tireless at trying to smear God's reputation, sata....er....wilderide!

when the devil likes to remind christians of their past, we like to remind him of his future!;)

[Chris Clearwater]

Skombolis wrote:

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Dress it up however you like because in hindsight you know it was a crappy thing to do
You made that post to him because you wanted it to bother him
Why would his wife need to re-emerge as anything?
She is not a lesbian and your denials about the intent of your post just makes it that much easier to show you for liar you are
It comes so easy to you doesn't it?

Bro, the short answer is its the anti christ spirit that lives in him. It bothers people to no end that if a person does indeed want to be free Jesus is the way. As you know my brother in law died due to his drinking and wanted so much for him to experience what being free is all about. Be it drugs, booze, homosexuality whatever. We think he did pray before he died (hope so). I've found when a person makes the choice to be with Jesus as my wife and I have you deal with many Mr. Catchers.

[lil whispers]

For let not that man think that he shall any thing of the Lord.

Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by which ye are called.

For every kind of beast and of birds and of serpents and of things in the sea is tamed and hath been tamed of mankind.

Submit yourselves therefore to God resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Be patient therefore brothren unto the coming of the Lord.Behold the husband waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth and hath long patience for it until he receive the early and latter rain.

[wilderide]

waaasssuuup wrote:

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i'd say "how atheist & homo-like back at ya" but there's no bad behavior irony in it so ya got me on this one:(

Help me out here: what do either atheism or homosexuality have to do with pointing out your hypocrisy again?

My bad behavior? Please. Christian, heal thyself.

[wilderide]

waaasssuuup wrote:

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btw - i trust in Christ's righteousness & not my own.
good luck with trusting in your...umm.....righteousness

Christianity really is the religion of personal responsibility, isn't it? LOL.

[Peace_Warrior]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text> I see.
He can be a very "hardazz" and arrogantly displayed mentor, from what I have heard. I expect that he is as much interested in keeping intrigue and mystery in his exploits as possible as it brings in immense amounts of currency...not to mention providing his platform for self esteem.
Even at that, it has allowed the world better access to ancient history and new discovery...and he is doing a good job of "preserving" sites.

What do you think the purpose of the great pyramid is?
If you care to offer that is.... Predicting that door(s), you must have an educated idea of what they are for. "How" they got them there(positioned) and the material is intriguing in itself.

I believe so form the little I've seen since on TV.
It wasn't til after I read this, your post, that I even looked up briefly... and didn't know he had been stood down. But Ja... I will not detract from him, the work he is doing and has done.

Purpose of the great pyramid...?
Strangely enough I have been too caught up with my work to go into such too much. I do believe tho...'more than a tomb'. My education does not come out of books first, but experience where proof has been witnessed, and then found verified... even years later.
eg. as this door

'Any' predictions... I have noted thru time...
Mostly when writing... these type... some even followed up 'geographically'... never having been there in this life... to find they are exactly as I wrote! Very alarmingly accurate too.

Other types... have come true.... in my future. Or even when called to help police. Life threatened due to accuracy there too! Sadly, have been cast out of the church family due to such, but, no-one can change the truth... and I have no qualms about being Christian. Just 'pity' those who rob themselves of the experience of sharing such realities.

Old and New Testament at least share that available knowledge.

[AnnieJ]

simplyput wrote:

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How can you leave our children OUT of it when it is HAPPENING to our children??
You realy sound pitiful and ONE_SIDED. No one is talking just the homosexuals.I have seen several post that states it is also the hetro that do some of it.You make it sound like it is Christians doing this .
NAMBLA just happens to be homosexuals (they SAY they are)and they are MEN wanting young boys, which makes them also PEDOPHILES..is this right? Some of them may want young little girls too, I don't know.. They are fighting for their RIGHTS stating that young boys (young homosexuals now) have a RIGHT to love older MEN.
Whether or not you want to BELIEVE this, it is true.
Organizations like this needs to be STOPPED, it is 'out of hand', our children are suffering.
Nambla MEN takes the young boys, while they are young and vulernable and they end up liking it, they start off slow , so that the young boy comes BACK for more ..then they are hooked.
It then appears the young boy is (born that way) and they grow older and are turned in to a full fledged ADULT homosexual.
There are also Hetro (BI) pedophiles, they like both /or either they don't care. That is another group some have talked about. Another group was the PRIEST Catholic that got caught, that is another group talked about.
All is SICK!, but needs to be investigated and STOPPED.
Christians are trying to do this, and you can BELIEVE that or not.
We will NOT uphold such ACTS!

This is what I said...

"If you want to bash gays...then please leave the children out of it...you are minimizing the severity of their abuse. You have turned it in to an issue about gays instead of an issue about what is happening to them."

If you want to include abused children in your gay bashing...then go ahead...it is your right.

[Happy Lesbo]

Catcher1 wrote:

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Your wife is a lesbian.
She should re-emerge from the closet.

.. is Fedora really a lesbian ??..