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#491739 Feb 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Show us your claim clearly, explicitly, and with supporting links, and I'll tell you how you're wrong. I'll help you identify which words you have paraphrased incorrectly, misunderstood and remembered incorrectly.
In the meantime, all we have here is your vague claim that I did something unethical and worthy of the word "liar."
I will embarrass you every time you do this. I don't mean that you are capable of feeling embarrassment or experiencing shame. I mean that you will be shamed in the eyes of others. Your peers will learn who and what you actually are, and how shallow your walk with your god really is.
This is what I mean about your postings; how about identifying your own issues?

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#491740 Feb 21, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Thank you.
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Yes I do. You cannot disrespect people's faith and then expect to be rewarded with kindness. You're using this "Turn the Other cheek" business to make your way advantageous and you're being presumptuous that Christians will turn the other cheek.
Fix it up Mr. IANS.
<quoted text>
Thanks for the confirmation.
<quoted text>
Projection.
You accuse the Christians of doing teh exact same foolishness you're doing. You get one do over.
Counter_Strike.
Is it arrogance that does not allow one to see one's self worth?

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Since: Jul 07

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#491741 Feb 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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There is purpose to life without faith. And life has meaning even if there are no gods or master plans.
Besides, the existence of a god wouldn't make your life any more significant. Nor would the absence of one make it any less significant.
The mortal part of our life cycle is very likely all of it. If life only has meaning proportionate with its influence on an afterlife, then you strip your entire life of meaning if there is no afterlife.
Serah, this is what I mean about Christianity obstructing authentic spiritual experience. The natural experience involves a direct appreciation of the here and now with or without gods. Meaning derives from our function in family and society, and also with a sense of connection to the earth and stars.
But not for you. Christianity removes most or all of that.
Your attention is diverted to another place, one outside of the universe, one that may not exist. And you dwell on the time after your death, which you will likely never see either. How is that spirituality? Because you talk to supernatural spirits and feel affected by them? That's magical thinking, and is characteristic of children and primitive cultures. And Christianity. But not of maturity and authentic existence.
Humanists question not only the Christian view on morality, but also its view of maturity and of spirituality.
And metaphysics.
And epistemology.
For you, from the pen of the poet:
Now Ophelia, she’s ’neath the window
For her I feel so afraid
On her twenty-second birthday
She already is an old maid
To her, death is quite romantic
She wears an iron vest
Her profession’s her religion
Her sin is her lifelessness
And though her eyes are fixed upon
Noah’s great rainbow
She spends her time peeking
Into Desolation Row
What makes you think that this statement is correct?

***Serah, this is what I mean about Christianity obstructing authentic spiritual experience. The natural experience involves a direct appreciation of the here and now with or without gods.***

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#491742 Feb 21, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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are we not talking again?:(
allow me to share a story that i shared on another thread:
so my wife likes to watch criminal minds (proof that they're the weaker sex, but that's another sermon;) and i occasionally suffer through it just to be with her. last night a homosexual was killing people and i thought 'finally it's not a 'christian' doing the evil in an episode'!
turns out that this homo-guy was all twisted up cuz of this abusive'christian' treatment center his twisted 'christian' dad forced him to go to when he was a kid.
even though this homo-guy killed several of both innocent gays and women, the self-righteous FBI team was the most compassionate and gracious to this serial killer than i've ever seen them be in an episode before! GO FIGURE!!!
and to think y'all antichristers claim that you're not being continuously brainwashed! too funny!!!
How does watching Criminal Minds prove someone is the weaker sex?

And the 'conversion camp' drugged the kids while making them watch straight porn and also had them raped by a female woman while the parents watched and/or participated

There have been 'conversion camps' were some pretty attrocious things have been done and they have a high suicide rate

They FBI also was trying to convince the kid not to kill himself because they needed him to testify against the camp but I have watched the show since its beginning season and they always try to talk the unsub out of killing himself

Not looking for a fight but not really sure where you were going with this post

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Since: Jul 07

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#491743 Feb 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Incidentally, Serah, I think that your connectivity and empathy with animals is an authentic spiritual experience. And it is in the here and now, involving you and your pug. Your words suggested that you hadn't noticed the meaning and purpose in that. I know that you do - it's your nature.
But what you are taught to repeat contradicts it. Your words - what Dim would call your Christian indoctrination - discount that. The ideas they gave you undermine that. Here and now don't matter. You're a spirit wrapped in failed flesh, and your dog is even less: a soulless meat bag
You're taught that none of that has meaning - only the god stuff does, and life without a god belief is meaningless.
So, we see two different aspects of you - the indoctrinated one and the part of the original and innate one. It's hard to believe that anybody would opt for so bleak a world view, especially when the evidence that it is unjustified is everywhere, including your in your dog.
It's not you that I am complaining about. Nor your spirit that I'm criticizing. It's that damned religion, and how it actually affects people.
You are not religious, and yet, here, in this posting, supposedly to show how good one is without religion, you are calling another man names (again). Give me my dog, he just loves me for what I am, and knows I would not harm him although sometimes I might call him names for being a clown and misbehaving.

Actually, dogs are amazing...... but I know you know that too.

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#491746 Feb 21, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>You are an adult still calling people names and proud of your rude and hurtful words to others; and you want to offer us your help by showing us how good a man you are without GOD in your life? Ah, cheers, I'll keep searching for the good guys LOL
Frightening for sure.

He left Christianity, a Religion. He was never part of the body of Christ.

Then he go into Secular Humanism, and as we see turned him into a hateful arrogant foaming at the mouth evil person.

He is a scary testimony of secular humanism, that for sure.

Anybody want go get some secular humanism, they need to look at that writer as a scary and sad example.

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#491749 Feb 21, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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How does watching Criminal Minds prove someone is the weaker sex?
And the 'conversion camp' drugged the kids while making them watch straight porn and also had them raped by a female woman while the parents watched and/or participated
There have been 'conversion camps' were some pretty attrocious things have been done and they have a high suicide rate
They FBI also was trying to convince the kid not to kill himself because they needed him to testify against the camp but I have watched the show since its beginning season and they always try to talk the unsub out of killing himself
Not looking for a fight but not really sure where you were going with this post
LOL!!!

no folks, this was not staged to prove my point, it happened all on it's own!!!

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#491750 Feb 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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"Therefore he will do what he does to those he does it to."
ROFLMAO
Are you laughing at the same GOD you wrote about when stating how wonderful were the roses HE created? You are back and forth like a pendulum, G, swinging from one side to the other. GOD isn't like a pendulum, changing HIS mind from minute to minute or day to day; HE still is the one who grieved and repented making us because of our thoughts and intentions.

People blame GOD for trying to rid the world of evil; and others thank HIM for it. If you think man(kind) will ever have enough guts to stand up and tell the governments they are wrong, the judges and lawyers they are wrong; the sporting clubs for paying players for playing games millions of dollars a year and yet pay our service men a pittance for saving our lives; or making fire fighters fight fires in over 100deg heat for nothing BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THEM FOR SAVING our homes, lives and that of the animals, then tell me the date you think they will have that sort of guts.

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#491752 Feb 21, 2013
And I'll roll on the flipping floor laughing my head off :)

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#491753 Feb 21, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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I just told you. Where you have to come running to IANs defense. I mean post after post, room after room, you and a few others respond to every post to him like it is addressed to you. Defending someone once in a while is one thing. You do it all the time.
.. that simply isn't true. You're seeing something that isn't there. I've remained outside your squabble with AINS and have refused to take sides ..

.. you're taking exception to my observation about you and continue to draw inferences that do not exist. Case in point, this very post ..
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>But synonyms aren't going to get him out of another one. His last post made it clear he would never object to the idea Christians have been indoctrinated since childhood...EXCEPT..that is exactly what he did with Juicy as he does with so many people when the double-board certified doctor's pride can't concede a point being made against him so he lies.
.. you began and continue calling AIN a liar yet fail to prove it. That's my observation. If it's incorrect, show me ..

.. I've told you before - I really do not want to be involved in this. It's between you and AIN ..

.. however, when someone makes statements like, "You do it all the time," or, "You always ...," they are usually incorrect. In this specific case, you are incorrect ..
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#491754 Feb 21, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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Is this the same Darwin that use to post on PTAG thread? I seem to remember that name and he had a ape or chimp as his profile picture. I knew he was dazed and confused but I was trying to be patient and loving as we are told to be and do..Sometimes, Its easier said than done. He also claims to be a teacher or professor but he is on topix from sun up to sun down. Whats he teaching? and who is he teaching? I have noticed a lot about him that just doesnt add up..He is wise only in his own mind..
I do not know , it is just that G_O_D_, he said that it stood for something something Darwin (???

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#491755 Feb 21, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
......
(BTW, Counter_Strike is a bigot. And he's proud of it--he says, "Look at me, I'm not a hypocrite." You haven't been convicted of hypocrisy dude, but of bigotry.)
Convicted by who Mr. 1?

Do you see yourself as some kind of authority around here?

Big brother?

The Big Cahuna?

Sherriff?

Grand Puba?

The Big Cheese?

Tha Man?

???????

Do you like attention?

Like to be seen?

Think you're special?

Feeling lonely?

Are you afraid?

Were you mistreated as a child?

As an adult?

As a nit-whit?

Were you ever bullied?

Called names?

Called liberal?

Left Winger?

Wing Nut?

Chicken wing?

Wing-Ding?

Well, I've been called right winger, conservative, republican, a Christian, a bigot, a hater and a homophobe.

All find and dandy feller. You believe you're scoring point by calling me a bigot? I'm still waiting for you to get a clue since the day you came in here with your foolish questions.

Anything else you feel like saying to me won't change teh price of rice. I'm not impressed by your and your cheap words meant to stir riot and cause division in here.

One thing you won't here me accuse you of Mr. Catcher 1, and that's being a smart man.

CS.

Since: Jan 11

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#491756 Feb 21, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
The building itself teaches dogma. beliefs, etc?
What was the purpose of asking that?

Be honest.
Skombolis wrote:
I agree it is meant to create a subtle difference in someone's mind, it just doesn't create an honest difference
Christianity is a religion, whether or not people follow it. There need not be any Christians in existence to criticize Christianity.
Skombolis wrote:
It is his way of being bigoted while pretending he is really against ideology
I feel sorry for you, that you are unable to comprehend the difference, between criticism of an ideology, and criticism towards people, that for whatever reason, have bought into an ideology.
Skombolis wrote:
When he thinks the vast, vast majority of Christians think in a way he is opposed to then he is equally against them
That would make him against that way of thinking. What does it mean to be "equally against them"? Is he against their way of dressing, because he is against one particular mode of intellectual navigation?
Skombolis wrote:
And when he says things like "your religion is useless and so are you" or Christians don't need to apologize or make amends to those they hurt because they can ask the sky for forgiveness it is obvious the blatant hate he has for Christians
Hate?

Do you know what hatred is?
Skombolis wrote:
But you guys cover for him and pretend saying church instead of Christians makes it all ok
He makes sweeping generalizations that are negative, he negatively stereotypes, he slanders, and insults Christians as a whole.
When fighting against bigotry is often helps not to have a bigot on the front lines
Just saying
Are there any Conservative or Liberal ideas that you would consider stupid?

If so, why do you think Conservatives or Liberals are stupid?

Did that work for you, or will I have to fill 4000 characters explaining this to you?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#491757 Feb 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
My post requested posting OT support for several of the claims made about angels as well as OT support for a war in Heaven.
Christian apologetics and opinions are NOT acceptable as a substitute for Scripture (despite the beliefs of many Christians).
Before I begin, thank you for, once again, neglecting my questions and assertions. Thank you. But, nevertheless, I refuse to believe that you feel, for any reason, that your posts deserve all expected attention while mine do not. And because of this, and at the end of this post, I'll re-post my previous post again, giving you yet another opportunity to show the thread that evasion is not a preferred tactic of yours. So, anyway, to answer your new post...

You say you believe in Christ. Excellent. Then, what say you regarding Luke 10:18? Here, it's recorded that he said, "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

After saying that, I'll say this. I'm sure you're aware of the many mentions of angels and a "host" in heaven. What do these things mean to you, then, if they're not spirit-beings? Among these mentions are Genesis 16, 18, 19, and 28. Then, there's the recording of Luke, in Luke 1. I mean, there are many mentions of these spirit-beings throughout the writings of both, the old and new covenant texts. What's your interpretation considering that you reject the current interpretation of the text. Of a surety, you have your own opinions and apologetic assertions as to why the text doesn't mean what many believe it says.

Now, as to your mention of this "war in heaven," again, I can't see any reason to answer any differently than I did before. And in that...

Does this particular vision (of the war in heaven) have to appear in the texts of the old covenant in order to authenticate the vision? And are you correctly interpreting the vision to fall in the applicable generation? And will you continue to make the same mistake that so many others make by separating what's written into fragments, such as "Old" and "New"?

Again, does such mention (of the 1/3) have to appear in the texts of the old covenant in order to be considered authentic?

Basing my response on what's written, alone, I don't know exactly where you came to such a conclusion, or question. Nothing in the bible even suggests that spirit-beings weren't created. According to what's written, even the son of "God" was created, so...

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, either. I mean, I guess the mention that the spirit-beings of the rebellion were imprisoned can be interpreted that way, but that's not the understanding I came to. As I believe, they're being "imprisoned" just means that they were no longer capable of materializing as terrestrial beings. Such "imprisonment," in my opinion, would explain why they began "possessing" terrestrial beings.

You're telling me that? I though you knew, already, that I never depend on our English translations. As I thought I've explained before, I believe that much of our English translations are based, a lot, on the beliefs that were considered dear to the translator during the time of the translation. If that were not the case, the term "Easter" would have never appeared at Acts 12:4.

Since: Sep 12

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#491758 Feb 21, 2013
Serah wrote:
And I'll roll on the flipping floor laughing my head off :)
Hahaha...I can see you now Serah. Let me know how it feels and I will try to do that without breaking a hip or something. I wonder where that came from anyway? Who really rolls on the floor while they are laughing? We will have to call your yours..ROFFLMHO..lol Have a great day Serah. Love Ya sister.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#491759 Feb 21, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
The building itself teaches dogma. beliefs, etc?
I agree it is meant to create a subtle difference in someone's mind, it just doesn't create an honest difference
It is his way of being bigoted while pretending he is really against ideology
When he thinks the vast, vast majority of Christians think in a way he is opposed to then he is equally against them
And when he says things like "your religion is useless and so are you" or Christians don't need to apologize or make amends to those they hurt because they can ask the sky for forgiveness it is obvious the blatant hate he has for Christians
But you guys cover for him and pretend saying church instead of Christians makes it all ok
He makes sweeping generalizations that are negative, he negatively stereotypes, he slanders, and insults Christians as a whole.
When fighting against bigotry is often helps not to have a bigot on the front lines
Just saying
.. before we begin, please note, I am expounding on a principle, not a person ..

.. if you attend a White Supremacist meeting, you're exposed to their beliefs ..

.. if you attend too many White Supremacist meetings, their hate doctrine will begin to make sense ..

.. if you attend a Fundamentalist Church service, you're exposed to their beliefs ..

.. if you attend too many Fundamentalist Church services, their literal interpretation of the bible will begin to make sense ..

.. do you see the analogy? It's subtle brainwashing and indoctrination ..

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#491760 Feb 21, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey!!
Hold on just one lousy minute.
You are NOT in our "group".
You are a believer; not only that, you are a Christian!
Bigot.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#491761 Feb 21, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
are we not talking again?:(
.. never stopped. You'll always be my cute little born-again Christian curmudgeon ..
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
allow me to share a story that i shared on another thread:
so my wife likes to watch criminal minds (proof that they're the weaker sex, but that's another sermon;) and i occasionally suffer through it just to be with her. last night a homosexual was killing people and i thought 'finally it's not a 'christian' doing the evil in an episode'!
turns out that this homo-guy was all twisted up cuz of this abusive'christian' treatment center his twisted 'christian' dad forced him to go to when he was a kid.
even though this homo-guy killed several of both innocent gays and women, the self-righteous FBI team was the most compassionate and gracious to this serial killer than i've ever seen them be in an episode before! GO FIGURE!!!
.. rarely watch TV ..
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>and to think y'all antichristers claim that you're not being continuously brainwashed! too funny!!!
.. sorry, except for a few programs, I find television rather boring. I do enjoy Survivors and a few PBS specials ..

.. what programs do you enjoy watching ??..

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#491762 Feb 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
LOL. Literally - I'm laughing out loud.
Yeah.

He apologized, and in a subsequent post became upset that I didn't accept the apology with class etc, and yeah, I was grumbled and should have been more gracious. Within that post he also expected an apology from me for something I did not do. I think he felt I did.

I think that is in large part due to the status the atheist holds in the world, but especially so in the U.S.

We're almost always and universally assumed to be "up to no good", treacherous, the dregs of society. Immoral. Incapable of benefiting society in any way.

Think about this. How many times, just this year, have you been told you're gonna burn in hell, and that all of societies ills are due to atheists, and that even when a theist does something that is less than exemplary, it's often said: "they are actually an atheist. I hope you atheists enjoy burning in hell, you deserve it and I can't wait to watch". How many times? I really couldn't begin to count the times.

Eh..., it's nothing new. I tend to think that just about any encounter the atheist has with others, some, not all, but some people automatically put this "atheist guard" up. Like people need to be wary cause we're gonna lie, be dishonest and it's inevitable that we will do that and more.

I appreciate the apology that Skom offered, and I know both of you are at odds, and I also know your position, a consistent position concerning the proof vs. evidence distinction in regards to the existence of deities, and while that may seem like a small thing to theists because to the theist the main thing is - you don't have the belief of a theist - and all atheists weather that status, it's important to the atheist that makes that distinction.

Some atheists may claim to know beyond all doubt there are no deities. That's their prerogative and right to feel that way.

You are not one of those atheists. Since May 18, 2009 I have known this and it has not changed.

People may say I'm defending you. So be it. They should also know I've defended Al Garcia, whom I consider a friend, and he is a Christian, too. You've done the same. Not just for Al.

They - whoever they may be - don't have to be a friend, either. As I recall, you, Al and myself have prior Military service, and we understood that we were "defending" the entire country with no reservations as to who. We gave our word on that, and our word is important to us in both the literal and abstract sense, then and now.

"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what's right." - Isaac Asimov

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#491763 Feb 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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You are confusing Buddhism with Hinduism.
A Buddhist is a philosophy that can be theist or atheist.
Hinduism is a relgion.
Ya. With all the history I ransacked of the area, I never made that distinction. I guess I didn't place it as important in anything that was relevant in all this time. Isn't that strange of me? I guess it isn't like early Tao or FA in that sense.

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